Matsuzaka: Red Sox Win w/ $51.1M Bid

[1908]

Do you know about any rules preventing a team from bidding a lot and then not extending a fair contract with the only purpose as to block another team?

 

For instance the Red Sox bidding $50,000,000 then only offering the major league minimum? They'd benefit from this by stopping New York from getting him.

Not aware of any specific rule, but I'd be surprised if the Commissioner didn't get involved in an instance as blatant as that.

[goonys evil twin]

Do you know about any rules preventing a team from bidding a lot and then not extending a fair contract with the only purpose as to block another team?

 

For instance the Red Sox bidding $50,000,000 then only offering the major league minimum? They'd benefit from this by stopping New York from getting him.

Not aware of any specific rule, but I'd be surprised if the Commissioner didn't get involved in an instance as blatant as that.

 

A team that did that runs the risk of ruining any chance of ever getting quality Japanese talent in the future.

[1908]

A team that did that runs the risk of ruining any chance of ever getting quality Japanese talent in the future.

Agreed. At the very least.

[10man]

don't they have to pay the $50M regardless of whether the player signs w/ them or not? if that's the case then i don't see any reason why you would blow millions just to prevent your opponent from signing a player that good. it makes no sense at all. if a player is good enough to keep your opponents from getting then he should be good enough to sign for your own team.

[1908]

don't they have to pay the $50M regardless of whether the player signs w/ them or not?

No. The fee is only due if the player signs.

[nilodnayr]

Is there a specific date that players are posted, or is it just at the whim of his controlling team?

[1908]

Is there a specific date that players are posted, or is it just at the whim of his controlling team?

No specific date.

[NCCubFan]

Do you know about any rules preventing a team from bidding a lot and then not extending a fair contract with the only purpose as to block another team?

 

For instance the Red Sox bidding $50,000,000 then only offering the major league minimum? They'd benefit from this by stopping New York from getting him.

Not aware of any specific rule, but I'd be surprised if the Commissioner didn't get involved in an instance as blatant as that.

If a team does try that, I think they should have to forfeit the posting fee as a fine. That threat would probably deter any owner not named George Steinbrenner from resorting to such tactics.

[NorthsideAvenger]

Do you know about any rules preventing a team from bidding a lot and then not extending a fair contract with the only purpose as to block another team?

 

For instance the Red Sox bidding $50,000,000 then only offering the major league minimum? They'd benefit from this by stopping New York from getting him.

 

First: Anybody who is bidding for Matsuzaka, is MORE then likely going to sign him to play for their team. Or why bid?

 

Second: As mention, I think that would be a HORRIBLE manuever to "spend $50 mill" on a player who said team had no interests in signing.

 

Third: If said team was going to waste said money, why not use the money to acquire players that can ACTUALLY help you, instead of using the money to block a player from a team you don't want him to go to?

 

I doubt a situation you "mentioned", KCtigers, will happen.

[shnsajax]

Do you know about any rules preventing a team from bidding a lot and then not extending a fair contract with the only purpose as to block another team?

 

For instance the Red Sox bidding $50,000,000 then only offering the major league minimum? They'd benefit from this by stopping New York from getting him.

 

First: Anybody who is bidding for Matsuzaka, is MORE then likely going to sign him to play for their team. Or why bid?

 

Second: As mention, I think that would be a HORRIBLE manuever to "spend $50 mill" on a player who said team had no interests in signing.

 

Third: If said team was going to waste said money, why not use the money to acquire players that can ACTUALLY help you, instead of using the money to block a player from a team you don't want him to go to?

 

I doubt a situation you "mentioned", KCtigers, will happen.

 

You only spend the $50 million if you sign him. If you have no intention of signing him then you lose nothing. That was his point, you can make a very high bid with no intention of signing the player but preventing someone else to sign him.

[E.J.]

Do you know about any rules preventing a team from bidding a lot and then not extending a fair contract with the only purpose as to block another team?

 

For instance the Red Sox bidding $50,000,000 then only offering the major league minimum? They'd benefit from this by stopping New York from getting him.

 

It's bad business though. The Red Sox would have a really hard time getting Japanese players in the future if they pulled such a move. Japanese teams probably wouldn't accept their bids in the future.

[CoolHandLuke]

I doubt a situation you "mentioned", KCtigers, will happen.

 

What was the point of the quotes?

[1908]

It's bad business though. The Red Sox would have a really hard time getting Japanese players in the future if they pulled such a move. Japanese teams probably wouldn't accept their bids in the future.

Yes. Most likely. The blind nature of the bidding process makes that impossible; the team accepts the bid without knowing the identity of the high bidder.

[goonys evil twin]

It's bad business though. The Red Sox would have a really hard time getting Japanese players in the future if they pulled such a move. Japanese teams probably wouldn't accept their bids in the future.

Yes. Most likely. The blind nature of the bidding process makes that impossible; the team accepts the bid without knowing the identity of the high bidder.

 

Oh, I thought it was just blind to the opposing bidders, not the Japanese team.

[1908]

Oh, I thought it was just blind to the opposing bidders, not the Japanese team.

Blind all the way around. Prevents any inside deals. "If we're not the high bidder, decline the bid and we'll make it worth your while in a 'partnership' deal," etc.

[davearm]

Do you know about any rules preventing a team from bidding a lot and then not extending a fair contract with the only purpose as to block another team?

 

For instance the Red Sox bidding $50,000,000 then only offering the major league minimum? They'd benefit from this by stopping New York from getting him.

 

It's bad business though. The Red Sox would have a really hard time getting Japanese players in the future if they pulled such a move. Japanese teams probably wouldn't accept their bids in the future.

Beyond the "bad business" angle, I would expect that Selig would step in and push his weight around if it looked like the winning bidder was playing games.

 

What that means exactly I can't say, but he'd do whatever was in his power to avoid having this situation play out as described.

[UBlink]

and that's why my majors are economics and mathematics...

 

Welcome to the club. 8-)

 

Hey, I'm in, too. Not only that, but also a small Texas college no less.

[third eye]

and that's why my majors are economics and mathematics...

 

Welcome to the club. 8-)

 

Hey, I'm in, too. Not only that, but also a small Texas college no less.

 

I was an econ and math double major as well. It should come as no surprise that there are a lot of us on this board, given the sheer volume of statistical analysis thrown around. I think the collective analytic mindset of this board is also made obviously clear by the frustration that is voiced when the Cubs' decision makers talk about intangibles and other non-quantifiable measures (though I personally don't agree with complete reliance on numbers). It is also why this subset of the population was more infuriated by Baker's non-analytic approach than the average person, IMO.

[Mephistopheles]

Yeah it's no surprise here, but out in the general public it's quite rare.

 

Hey, I'm in, too. Not only that, but also a small Texas college no less.

Which school?

[UBlink]

Yeah it's no surprise here, but out in the general public it's quite rare.

 

Hey, I'm in, too. Not only that, but also a small Texas college no less.

Which school?

 

Home of the Roo's

[CaliforniaRaisin]

and that's why my majors are economics and mathematics...

 

Welcome to the club. 8-)

 

Hey, I'm in, too. Not only that, but also a small Texas college no less.

 

Hrm, well, I don't think UCLA is a small Texas college. :) Amusingly enough, two of my cousins are math-econ majors too.

[UBlink]

and that's why my majors are economics and mathematics...

 

Welcome to the club. 8-)

 

Hey, I'm in, too. Not only that, but also a small Texas college no less.

 

Hrm, well, I don't think UCLA is a small Texas college. :) Amusingly enough, two of my cousins are math-econ majors too.

 

Well, when I was in grad school we thought of UCLA as part of the farm system :)

 

And my daughter was Econ/Psych, but she got a masters in Math so I guess that's OK.

[1908]

Gary Garland[/url]"]If the Japanese press is protraying it correctly, the Cubs will almost certainly make some kind of bid for Matsuzaka. They have reviewed three Japanese pitchers, one of them being the aforementioned Hiroki Kuroda and the third probably being Kei Igawa, though that is just a guess on my part.

[CUBZ99]

Gary Garland[/url]"]If the Japanese press is protraying it correctly, the Cubs will almost certainly make some kind of bid for Matsuzaka. They have reviewed three Japanese pitchers, one of them being the aforementioned Hiroki Kuroda and the third probably being Kei Igawa, though that is just a guess on my part.

 

Is it a big deal that the Cubs are interested in making a bid for Matsuzaka? I thought the Cubs were pretty much a non-factor in Japan.

[CP_414]

Gary Garland[/url]"]If the Japanese press is protraying it correctly, the Cubs will almost certainly make some kind of bid for Matsuzaka. They have reviewed three Japanese pitchers, one of them being the aforementioned Hiroki Kuroda and the third probably being Kei Igawa, though that is just a guess on my part.

 

Good news on Matsuzaka. What do you know about Igawa? His numbers look good. If he has good stuff, it would be nice to add him and Matsuzaka.

 

Z, Matsuzaka, Hill, Igawa, Prior/Miller...