Matsuzaka: Red Sox Win w/ $51.1M Bid

[CubsWin]

If I'm Hendry, I fork over 30 mil and dare anyone to try to beat it.

30 mill is a lot. I'm not certain I'd be willing to do that. Given the likely cost of the other two top FA starters and the usual discount a japanese player takes in his first contract, I might do 20 mill.

[Neuby]

If I'm Hendry, I fork over 30 mil and dare anyone to try to beat it.

30 mill is a lot. I'm not certain I'd be willing to do that. Given the likely cost of the other two top FA starters and the usual discount a japanese player takes in his first contract, I might do 20 mill.

 

Does 1908 or anyone have a clue on what would happen if there where Identical bids?

 

I would be willing to go as high 25 million if it didn't hamper the Cubs efforts in other areas. I'd prefer Schimdt but I know he's going to get 4 years from someone and I'd prefer not to go that long.

[jtownie]

If I'm Hendry, I fork over 30 mil and dare anyone to try to beat it.

30 mill is a lot. I'm not certain I'd be willing to do that. Given the likely cost of the other two top FA starters and the usual discount a japanese player takes in his first contract, I might do 20 mill.

 

Does 1908 or anyone have a clue on what would happen if there where Identical bids?

 

I would be willing to go as high 25 million if it didn't hamper the Cubs efforts in other areas. I'd prefer Schimdt but I know he's going to get 4 years from someone and I'd prefer not to go that long.

 

He stated that whomever bid first would win in the event of two equal bids.

[Bluescale]

I'm hopeful that the Cubs will enter the bidding. My hope is that McDonough's background in marketing leads to him opening up the coffers and directing Hendry to get involved. Signing Matsuzaka for 25M-30M (posting rights) plus 60M (contract) can probably be recouped by the asdditional boost the Cubs will get in Japan due to the signing. This is especially tue if they amortize the posting fee over the life of the contract.

[Jazz]

I'm hopeful that the Cubs will enter the bidding. My hope is that McDonough's background in marketing leads to him opening up the coffers and directing Hendry to get involved. Signing Matsuzaka for 25M-30M (posting rights) plus 60M (contract) can probably be recouped by the asdditional boost the Cubs will get in Japan due to the signing. This is especially tue if they amortize the posting fee over the life of the contract.

 

People need to understand that the only way the Cubs benefit off of this new "market share" is off merchandise and ticket sales from japanese tourists. They won't make any extra profit from tv viewing as it goes into the collective bargaining agreement if i remember correctly.

 

But 30 mil posting fee is certainly worth it IMO. His actual contract will probably be no more than 8 mil per for 5 years. And the posting fee would be spread out across 5 years. So how is he not worth 14 mil a year is what I ask you?

 

Obviously there are no guarantee's, but I feel loads more comfortable with Daisuke considering he is the youngest out of the "big 3" FA pitchers, has the nastiest stuff, and has actually dominated in the WBC.

[CuseCubFan69]

I'm hopeful that the Cubs will enter the bidding. My hope is that McDonough's background in marketing leads to him opening up the coffers and directing Hendry to get involved. Signing Matsuzaka for 25M-30M (posting rights) plus 60M (contract) can probably be recouped by the asdditional boost the Cubs will get in Japan due to the signing. This is especially tue if they amortize the posting fee over the life of the contract.

 

Not only that but the chance to get younger Japanese kids interested in the Cubs.

[Bluescale]

People need to understand that the only way the Cubs benefit off of this new "market share" is off merchandise and ticket sales from japanese tourists. They won't make any extra profit from tv viewing as it goes into the collective bargaining agreement if i remember correctly.

 

I never said otherwise. I'd have to guess currently the Cubs have a negligable market share in Japan.

[Backtobanks]

I'm hopeful that the Cubs will enter the bidding. My hope is that McDonough's background in marketing leads to him opening up the coffers and directing Hendry to get involved. Signing Matsuzaka for 25M-30M (posting rights) plus 60M (contract) can probably be recouped by the asdditional boost the Cubs will get in Japan due to the signing. This is especially tue if they amortize the posting fee over the life of the contract.

 

I'm all for Matsuzaka, but $90 million is a pretty steep price for a pitcher who has yet to prove himself in the major leagues.

[Sammy Sofa]

I'm hopeful that the Cubs will enter the bidding. My hope is that McDonough's background in marketing leads to him opening up the coffers and directing Hendry to get involved. Signing Matsuzaka for 25M-30M (posting rights) plus 60M (contract) can probably be recouped by the asdditional boost the Cubs will get in Japan due to the signing. This is especially tue if they amortize the posting fee over the life of the contract.

 

I'm all for Matsuzaka, but $90 million is a pretty steep price for a pitcher who has yet to prove himself in the major leagues.

 

When you've dig yourself this deep you gotta take a few gambles. With Hill and Zambrano and the possibility of an at least semi-healthy Prior, a successful Matsuzaka suddenly makes the Cubs insanely dominant pitching-wise.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Daisuke isn't going to get 60 mil contracturally, and if he does, then he'd be well worth the total investment because he'd be one of the best pitchers in the game.

[Bluescale]

Daisuke isn't going to get 60 mil contracturally, and if he does, then he'd be well worth the total investment because he'd be one of the best pitchers in the game.

 

I'd guess he's going to get at least 50M. Let's face it...a team isn't going to pony up 25M-30M just for the rights to negotiate, and then lose him by playing hardball with the contract details. I think as a dominating 26 year old in this free agent market, he's going to get a great contract.

[A New Era]

I just want to say. I want either Matsuzaka or Saito. They are both good, and they are good "options" aside from the US FA. Plus dammit, I want a japanese person on my team!!

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Daisuke isn't going to get 60 mil contracturally, and if he does, then he'd be well worth the total investment because he'd be one of the best pitchers in the game.

 

I'd guess he's going to get at least 50M. Let's face it...a team isn't going to pony up 25M-30M just for the rights to negotiate, and then lose him by playing hardball with the contract details. I think as a dominating 26 year old in this free agent market, he's going to get a great contract.

 

They aren't going to lose him though. It's much more unlikely that Daisuke shows up his team and returns to Japan over a couple million. This year was Ichiro's 6th season and he's only made ~45 million.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

My guess is Daisuke will sign a contract like the one Hideki signed when he came over. He'll sign a three-year deal with a clause that says his team will make him a FA after the third year instead of the sixth.

[Mephistopheles]

My guess is Daisuke will sign a contract like the one Hideki signed when he came over. He'll sign a three-year deal with a clause that says his team will make him a FA after the third year instead of the sixth.

 

I have to think if a team forks over 30 million on the posting fee, they're going to want him under their control for more than 3 years, that's 10 a year plus his salary...

[shnsajax]

Team are also going to be nervous giving him 5 gauranteed years. I could see 4/50 with a 5th year option.

 

I am a little curious to how a new CBA could affect things this offseason. Less players might get offered arbitration which should lower salaries a little bit. And it sounded the Taxes would be going up a lot as well. Not sure how many teams would be affected and to what amount though.

[Guest]

When Japanese players come into the league, it is like bringing up a player from the minors. That player is under the team's control for their first six seasons, regardless of whether their contract extends that far.

 

The only exception is when a player and team negotiate a stipulation that the player will be non-tendered after the current contract expires if no extension is reached such as Godzilla and the Yanks agreed to.

[nilodnayr]

Anyone know what Godzilla's posting price was?

[shnsajax]

Anyone know what Godzilla's posting price was?

 

I thought he was a FA

[nilodnayr]

Anyone know what Godzilla's posting price was?

 

I thought he was a FA

 

Bah, I think you're right.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Anyone know what Godzilla's posting price was?

 

I thought he was a FA

 

Yeah, he was.

[jmajew]

The more I think about it the riskier it sounds to try to sign the guy. If we make a bid we will have to wait 30 days to hear back if we got him. That would put us around mid december. If we don't get him we are royally screwed. By that time Zito and Schmidt both could have signed with another team. Going after Daisuke puts all of our eggs in one basket, with regards to our pitching staff. I hope the team would be willing to have one of Zito/Schmidt and then Daisuke. Kind of like getting Daisuke as a bonus.

[Mephistopheles]

i actually i read in several places that the bidding lasts only four days.

 

A player may be posted from November 1 to March 1. For a player to be posted, both the team and player must agree on the posting; usually the player requests to be posted. The team then notifies the NPB Commissioner's Office that the player will be posted, who then notifies the MLB, which notifies all of its teams. The MLB teams then have four days to submit a "silent" bid for the right to negotiate a contract with the player to the MLB Commissioner's Office. After the fourth day, the NPB team (via the Commissioner's Office) is notified of the highest bidder and has four to accept or reject the bid. If the bid is accepted the winning MLB team has thirty (30) days to reach an agreement with the player. If the bid is rejected, the player is not posted.

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/bullpen/Posting_System

[1908]

i actually i read in several places that the bidding lasts only four days.

Yep, including earlier in this thread. It's four days, with 30 days to sign the player after the bid has been accepted.

[Mephistopheles]

Do you know about any rules preventing a team from bidding a lot and then not extending a fair contract with the only purpose as to block another team?

 

For instance the Red Sox bidding $50,000,000 then only offering the major league minimum? They'd benefit from this by stopping New York from getting him.