Matsuzaka: Red Sox Win w/ $51.1M Bid

[Sammy Sofa]

1908 or anyone,

 

What do you think it will take to be the high bidder? If you ask me, the Cubs need to be the high bidder. I think this is priority number 1 this off season.

I don't see anyone outbidding the Yankees. George is convinced starting pitching is to blame for their early exit from the playoffs, and he wasn't very happy when the Mariners outbid him for Ichiro. If the Yankees end up doubling the amount of the second-highest bid, I wouldn't be shocked.

 

Which isn't awful, because that's likely to leave Zito and Schmidt to be picked up elsewhere.

[1908]

Anyway, MLB has placed Japan in the SEA and NYY "regions". Meaning, SEA and NYY have the rights to sell their broadcasts in Japan, but no other clubs do.

 

There's a similar international one out there somewhere that has "SEA NYY" stamped on Japan, and "TOR" stamped on all of Canada.

I did not know that, and I'd love to see that international map. I'm familiar with how the broadcasting rights work nationally.

[CuseCubFan69]

Well the Cubs must be serious about Matsezuka, they just hired Steve Lyons to broker a deal.

[1908]

Anyway, MLB has placed Japan in the SEA and NYY "regions". Meaning, SEA and NYY have the rights to sell their broadcasts in Japan, but no other clubs do.

 

There's a similar international one out there somewhere that has "SEA NYY" stamped on Japan, and "TOR" stamped on all of Canada.

I did not know that, and I'd love to see that international map. I'm familiar with how the broadcasting rights work nationally.

Also, seeing how many other MLB teams have Japanese players on their roster, I find it odd that only the Mariners and the Yankees are allowed to sell their broadcast rights in Japan.

[davearm]

Anyway, MLB has placed Japan in the SEA and NYY "regions". Meaning, SEA and NYY have the rights to sell their broadcasts in Japan, but no other clubs do.

 

There's a similar international one out there somewhere that has "SEA NYY" stamped on Japan, and "TOR" stamped on all of Canada.

I did not know that, and I'd love to see that international map. I'm familiar with how the broadcasting rights work nationally.

I believe the broadcasting rights in other countries in which TV rights have been assigned to one or more MLB club work the same as they do within the states.

 

I do recall reading somewhere that MLB has made MLB.TV unavailable in Japan.

[Mephistopheles]

Huh? He's like the highest paid player in Japan.

 

But he's under the team's control, so the team has that plus the precedent working against him. Ichiro was < 6 mil when he was posted the first year (3 years, 15 mil total), he didn't make 8 digits until he signed his new extension.

this is a completely different case.

So you think Daisuke would refuse to sign with the high bidder and play one more season in Japan if he doesn't get 8 digits? I just don't see him insulting the Lions like that after they finally agree to post him, and that's the only negotiating leverage he has if he's posted.

Well at the time Ichiro was the first position player to come over. A few years later, it seems as if american clubs are becoming more and more open to the Asian market. Don't forget Matsuzaka's agent is Scott Boras, so I don't think he will be cheap. I don't think he can ask for the moon, but I certainly think he's going to get a fair deal. Otherwise he might just sign for one year the Scott Boras way.

[1908]

So you think Daisuke would refuse to sign with the high bidder and play one more season in Japan if he doesn't get 8 digits? I just don't see him insulting the Lions like that after they finally agree to post him, and that's the only negotiating leverage he has if he's posted.

Well at the time Ichiro was the first position player to come over. A few years later, it seems as if american clubs are becoming more and more open to the Asian market. Don't forget Matsuzaka's agent is Scott Boras, so I don't think he will be cheap. I don't think he can ask for the moon, but I certainly think he's going to get a fair deal. Otherwise he might just sign for one year the Scott Boras way.

If posted, his opinions are to sign with the winning bidder or not sign. His leverage is very limited. If he signs with the winning bidder, that team will control his rights for six years, so signing a one year deal as you describe won't help him earn more money down the road. He'd be much better served to play one more year in Japan and come over as a free agent next year if he wanted to maximize his salary.

[questionmarkgrace]

I think he'll sign no matter who gets him. When irabu was posted the padres had the winning bid. However, he refused to play for anyone but the yankees. ANd he was eventually traded to the yanks for a bunch of players. it must have been a sign and trade. IF he didn't sign a deal seibu would be really unhappy with him, they need that posting money.

[NCCubFan]

Well the Cubs must be serious about Matsezuka, they just hired Steve Lyons to broker a deal.

He's just doing that as a favor to his buddy Uncle Lou. :D

[Mephistopheles]

1908, I understand what you're trying to say, but Boras can complicate matters.

[Burtonbell]

I have nothing to add to this discussion except that I have learned a lot...

[1908]

1908, I understand what you're trying to say, but Boras can complicate matters.

Boras' speciality is playing one team off another to escalate the price. How's he going to do that in this instance?

[goonys evil twin]

1908, I understand what you're trying to say, but Boras can complicate matters.

Boras' speciality is playing one team off another to escalate the price. How's he going to do that in this instance?

 

Isn't his other specialty driving up the price by saying his draft picks will just wait until next year?

[Neuby]

1908, I understand what you're trying to say, but Boras can complicate matters.

Boras' speciality is playing one team off another to escalate the price. How's he going to do that in this instance?

 

Isn't his other specialty driving up the price by saying his draft picks will just wait until next year?

 

In Japan a player in general shows more respect for there team and the Lions need the posting money they are going to get for DM so I can't see him letting Boras tell him to wait until next year.

[Mephistopheles]

Exactly, if Matsuzaka doesnt get a fair deal, he can go back for one year.

[1908]

Exactly, if Matsuzaka doesnt get a fair deal, he can go back for one year.

I can't see him dishonoring the Lions like that. I asked if you could a few pages back, and you didn't answer one way or the other. I'm guessing you can?

[goonys evil twin]

Exactly, if Matsuzaka doesnt get a fair deal, he can go back for one year.

I can't see him dishonoring the Lions like that. I asked if you could a few pages back, and you didn't answer one way or the other. I'm guessing you can?

 

If he hired Scott Boras, I doubt honor is the biggest thing on his plate right now.

[1908]

Exactly, if Matsuzaka doesnt get a fair deal, he can go back for one year.

I can't see him dishonoring the Lions like that. I asked if you could a few pages back, and you didn't answer one way or the other. I'm guessing you can?

If he hired Scott Boras, I doubt honor is the biggest thing on his plate right now.

Hiring Boras doesn't make him an American all of a sudden. Different culture, different mindset. Boras might try to play the go back to Japan card, but I'd call Matsuzaka's bluff if he did.

[goonys evil twin]

Exactly, if Matsuzaka doesnt get a fair deal, he can go back for one year.

I can't see him dishonoring the Lions like that. I asked if you could a few pages back, and you didn't answer one way or the other. I'm guessing you can?

If he hired Scott Boras, I doubt honor is the biggest thing on his plate right now.

Hiring Boras doesn't make him an American all of a sudden. Different culture, different mindset. Boras might try to play the go back to Japan card, but I'd call Matsuzaka's bluff if he did.

 

What happens with the posting money? Does it sit in escrow until a deal is signed, or negotiations fail? Do they give it all back, or just some, like with Rule 5 claims? Or do they get to keep it all?

[1908]

What happens with the posting money? Does it sit in escrow until a deal is signed, or negotiations fail? Do they give it all back, or just some, like with Rule 5 claims? Or do they get to keep it all?

If a deal is reached with a player, the posting team gets the posting money. If a deal is not reached, the team with the highest bid keeps the posting money. I don't know if it sits in escrow or not. I'm not aware of any fees for playing like in Rule 5 claims.

[UMFan83]

Looks like the Cubs will post a bid:

 

Looking to Japan: The Cubs plan to bid for the rights to negotiate with Japanese right-hander Daisuke Matsuzaka of Japan's Seibu Lions, one of the biggest off-season names. Sealed bids will be made in a few weeks, and if the Cubs win, they will be able to negotiate with agent Scott Boras for a pitcher who would be second in the rotation behind Carlos Zambrano. The bid just to negotiate could exceed $20 million.

 

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/cs-061017cubsside,1,4937329.story?coll=cs-home-headlines

[Laura]

I hope they submit a legit bid and not "submit a bid" like they "made an offer" to Beltran.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

I hope they submit a legit bid and not "submit a bid" like they "made an offer" to Beltran.

 

Exactly.

[Guest]

I want Daisuke. He'd be my #1 target this offseason.

[CubFanPhilly]

I want Daisuke. He'd be my #1 target this offseason.

 

What's your bid Tim?