Most overpaid player in the league?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

And what exactly have all of those players done in the postseason or in clutch situations in general to make them so scary? I'm would be afraid if I was a pitching in an important situation if Ortiz, Pujols or Jeter was coming up. Would I be afraid if ARod was coming up? No because I know ARod gets all of his HR's and RBI in 15-2 blowouts of the Devil Rays. It depends on situations. Is Jeter the best hitter in the league? No. But he comes through in the clutch. Maybe not every time, but nobody does.

 

They're all better hitters than Jeter(well, the vast majority since rocket just went down the OPS list and there are a few exceptions), that's why the team is better off with them up there.

 

Also, in case you missed it in previous posts...

 

Career playoffs

 

A-Rod: .305/.393/.534/.927

Jeter: .306/.376/.462/.838

 

Close and Late, Last 3 Years

 

A-Rod: .276/.392/.553/.945

Jeter: .249/.352/.392/.744

[Jon]

And what exactly have all of those players done in the postseason or in clutch situations in general to make them so scary? I'm would be afraid if I was a pitching in an important situation if Ortiz, Pujols or Jeter was coming up. Would I be afraid if ARod was coming up? No because I know ARod gets all of his HR's and RBI in 15-2 blowouts of the Devil Rays. It depends on situations. Is Jeter the best hitter in the league? No. But he comes through in the clutch. Maybe not every time, but nobody does.

Three-year splits (2003-2005)

 

A-Rod:

Runners on - .292 .387 .542

RISP - .273 .381 .482

RISP w/ 2 out - .270 .392 .495

 

Jeter:

Runners on - .312 .388 .430

RISP - .288 .380 .405

RISP w/ 2 out - .288 .396 .419

 

 

A-Rod's numbers in those situations are significantly better. And Jeter's really aren't anything special.

[Rob]

And what exactly have all of those players done in the postseason or in clutch situations in general to make them so scary? I'm would be afraid if I was a pitching in an important situation if Ortiz, Pujols or Jeter was coming up. Would I be afraid if ARod was coming up? No because I know ARod gets all of his HR's and RBI in 15-2 blowouts of the Devil Rays. It depends on situations. Is Jeter the best hitter in the league? No. But he comes through in the clutch. Maybe not every time, but nobody does.

 

Were you looking at the numbers just a few posts back?

 

ARod is much more dangerous in the postseason and in general in "clutch" situations than Jeter is.

 

Yeah Jeter has had a few memorable hits. He's also had more than his fair share of not-memorable groundouts to second base in the postseason.

[soccer10k]

And what exactly have all of those players done in the postseason or in clutch situations in general to make them so scary? I'm would be afraid if I was a pitching in an important situation if Ortiz, Pujols or Jeter was coming up. Would I be afraid if ARod was coming up? No because I know ARod gets all of his HR's and RBI in 15-2 blowouts of the Devil Rays. It depends on situations. Is Jeter the best hitter in the league? No. But he comes through in the clutch. Maybe not every time, but nobody does.

 

Were you looking at the numbers just a few posts back?

 

ARod is much more dangerous in the postseason and in general in "clutch" situations than Jeter is.

 

Yeah Jeter has had a few memorable hits. He's also had more than his fair share of not-memorable groundouts to second base in the postseason.

 

Are you going to look up all of the numbers for the players that Rocket Sauce posted? I'm going to pull Morgan Ensberg out because I know he stunk it up, but would you really rather have him up with his career .224 BA in the postseason over Jeter?

 

Just because a player is a good hitter doesn't mean he is the best choice to have up to bat in a clutch situation.

 

To change sports, Robert Horry is known as one of the most clutch three point shooter in the postseason. Is he a great player? No. Is he an All-Star? No. Would you rather have LeBron shooting or Horry? How about Kobe or Horry? Personally I would take Horry shooting a three at the buzzer over anybody else. That's my point about Jeter. Obviously Jeter is a better overall player than Horry, but the implications are the same.

[SouthSideRyan]

So you're just gonna go ahead and ignore the A-Rod #s then. Tremendous.

[rjchapma]

Kerry Wood

[soccer10k]

So you're just gonna go ahead and ignore the A-Rod #s then. Tremendous.

 

No I'm not. I have my personal opinions and you have yours.

[soccer10k]

I'm not arguing this anymore because the game is on.

[rjchapma]

Kerry Wood is the most overpaid in the league either him or Beltre.

[SouthSideRyan]

I know ARod gets all of his HR's and RBI in 15-2 blowouts of the Devil Rays.

 

Career playoffs

 

A-Rod: .305/.393/.534/.927

Jeter: .306/.376/.462/.838

 

Close and Late, Last 3 Years

 

A-Rod: .276/.392/.553/.945

Jeter: .249/.352/.392/.744

 

Those aren't opinions those are facts.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Alright, I'll be the one that says it.

 

Clutch hitting is a myth.

 

Let the fireworks commence.

[rocket]

bill simmons said it so must be true.

[rocket]

robert horry's specialty is making 3 pointers, therefore i'd want him to shoot a 3 pointer with the game on the line.

 

derek jeter's specialty is not getting hits in clutch situations. in fact, he's probably no better at it than 70% of the people on the list.

 

your comparison doesn't work.

[Mark_R]

robert horry's specialty is making 3 pointers, therefore i'd want him to shoot a 3 pointer with the game on the line.

 

derek jeter's specialty is not getting hits in clutch situations. in fact, he's probably no better at it than 70% of the people on the list.

 

your comparison doesn't work.

 

Comparing apples to oranges with the basketball comparison.

 

Robert Horry just makes a lot of big shots.

[frostwyrm]

robert horry's specialty is making 3 pointers, therefore i'd want him to shoot a 3 pointer with the game on the line.

 

derek jeter's specialty is not getting hits in clutch situations. in fact, he's probably no better at it than 70% of the people on the list.

 

your comparison doesn't work.

 

Comparing apples to oranges with the basketball comparison.

 

Robert Horry just makes a lot of big shots.

Then there's golf. There are golfers you'd pick to make the big putt more than others, but the concept doesn't really translate into baseball, unless someone has a Billy Baroo bat.

[Andy]

Alright, I'll be the one that says it.

 

Clutch hitting is a myth.

 

Let the fireworks commence.

Clutch hitting is not a myth.

 

Identifying clutch hitting exclusively with Derek Jeter is a myth.

[ltb]

there's already been a huge debate on the clutch hitting topic...

 

 

here

[WrigleyField 22]

Another aspect to look into if you want to make this real confusing is taking into account when the player signed the contract. If he signed the deal in an overpriced market do we take that into account? You could take the average conract given out to that particular position player and see how far % above the average that guy is.

 

So for instance AROD signed his deal in a overpriced market. Everyone was throwing around big dollars. So if you take the average salary handed out to FA SS in that year or two year span, and see how far % above that average he was paid you could incorporate that percent into their OPS.

 

Although you may want to just argue that it doesn't matter what th markey dictated at the time and it doesn't change the fact they are terrible now, which is a valid arguement.

[David]

Alright, I'll be the one that says it.

 

Clutch hitting is a myth.

 

Let the fireworks commence.

 

WERD

[Diffusion]

Magglio Ordonez is more overpaid than Derek Jeter

 

.293/.347/.436 since joining the Tigers, earning $15m a year

 

Numbers essentially similar to Jeter's, only Magglio plays RF. That easily outweighs the extra $5m a year Jeter's getting.

 

I don't know if he's the most overpaid in baseball, probably not, but he tops Jeter

 

Some other names that haven't come up so far to consider...

 

Eric Milton, Russ Ortiz, Kaz Matsui

[Derwood]

considering what the average major leaguer makes compared to the average american worker, I would say that they are all overpaid

[goonys evil twin]

considering what the average major leaguer makes compared to the average american worker, I would say that they are all overpaid

 

I disagree strongly. They aren't average workers. They are unique elite workers in an industry with strong demand from the consumers. Practically anybody in the country could do what the average American worker does, there's a miniscule supply of labor for baseball players.

[Jehrico]

I'd second the nomination from the front page for Chan Ho Park. Beltre, Beltran, or whoever don't hold a candle to being overpaid compared to that guy.

 

and while I'm at it, I'll throw in my $.02 on Jeter...he's overrated and overpaid, but it's not like he sucks...he's at worst, above average. The fact he's overrated AND he's a Yankee brings about a lot more hate for him than is deserved. I'd rather pay Jeter his contract than pay Beltre his. His isn't the worst deal by any means.

[Bote McBoteface]

2005 Detroit Tigers $8,000,000

 

AVG .276

OBP .290

SLG .444

 

GDP 19

 

Ivan Rodriguez c

4 years/$40M (2004-07), plus $13M 2008 club option

 

* 04:$7M, 05:$8M, 06:$11M, 07:$11M, 08:$13M club option ($3M buyout)

* $8M deferred at 1% interest

* $0.1M All Star incentive

* Tigers may void after 2005 & pay $5M buyout if Rodriguez spends 35 days on DL with a back injury during 2004-05

* Tigers may void after 2006 & pay $4M buyout if Rodriguez spends 35 days on DL with a back injury in 2006

* no-trade clause

 

 

Ivan Rodriguez. Ouch.

[Wild_Cubs04]

considering what the average major leaguer makes compared to the average american worker, I would say that they are all overpaid

 

I disagree strongly. They aren't average workers. They are unique elite workers in an industry with strong demand from the consumers. Practically anybody in the country could do what the average American worker does, there's a miniscule supply of labor for baseball players.

 

BS, they get paid to play a Sport.....and a ton of money at that. I agree with Derwood on this.