Most overpaid player in the league?

[BigbadB]

Odalis Perez had a 4.56 ERA in 109 IP and is getting almost 9 million this year.

 

Hmm. You haven't studied how Odalis does in even years, I see. :wink:

 

He very well could be worth every penny of his 9m if he pitches this year like he has in all of his previous "even" years.

 

Odalis has only had 1 bad outing out of 3 so far. In his last 12+ innings, he's given up 2 runs. .071 WHIP in his last outing.

[srbin84]

Manny is a great player though. He has a bad contract, but not as bad of a ratio as others IMO.

[srbin84]

Odalis Perez had a 4.56 ERA in 109 IP and is getting almost 9 million this year.

 

Hmm. You haven't studied how Odalis does in even years, I see. :wink:

 

He very well could be worth every penny of his 9m if he pitches this year like he has in all of his previous "even" years.

 

Odalis has only had 1 bad outing out of 3 so far. In his last 12+ innings, he's given up 2 runs. .071 WHIP in his last outing.

 

So he's on the Trachsel/Farnsworth career track then.

[reggiemiller rules]

I think it is probably a little to early in the season to start calling guys who have had lots of success the past few years, like Manny, Millwood, or Foulke overpaid. People like Beltre and Chan who havent had that much success the except for their contract years are the ones who are the most overpaid.

 

The guy asked who was most overpaid this year. I answered. Sure it's early and not likely to stay the same, which is why I listed some different categories.

 

Foulke was overpaid last year, he's not in a class with Manny.

 

Yeah but there are alot of people who are off to slow starts that dosent really make them overpaid because Manny and Millwood have a history of putting up good numbers. Much like Aramis they may be off to slow starts but they will get their numbers therefore they wont be overpaid this year.

[goonys evil twin]

Derek Jeter wins the "players who are grossly overpaid but common fans don't really recognize it" award.

 

But he still produces, though.

 

Yes, but it's all relative. If a guy making $8m can be overpaid for not playing like an $8m player should, then a guy making $22m who isn't playing like one is overpaid. Michael Barrett is productive, but he's not $15m productive.

[srbin84]

I suppose for offensive players, you could just divide their salary by their OPS, the higher the resulting number, the worse.

[BigbadB]

Derek Jeter wins the "players who are grossly overpaid but common fans don't really recognize it" award.

 

But he still produces, though.

 

Produces what in comparison to what he makes?

 

Derek Jeter= .309 .389 .450

Carlos Guillen= .320 .368 .434

 

Derek Jeter last year= $19.6m

Carlos Guillen last year= $4m

 

And Carlos had a bad year in 2005 in comparison to his 2004 campaign. What would be the typical exchange monetarily for a guy who provides numbers like .309/.389/.450?

 

Brian Giles provided better numbers than that and his NEW contract only pays him 10m. Jeter makes almost double that.

[goonys evil twin]

I think it is probably a little to early in the season to start calling guys who have had lots of success the past few years, like Manny, Millwood, or Foulke overpaid. People like Beltre and Chan who havent had that much success the except for their contract years are the ones who are the most overpaid.

 

The guy asked who was most overpaid this year. I answered. Sure it's early and not likely to stay the same, which is why I listed some different categories.

 

Foulke was overpaid last year, he's not in a class with Manny.

 

Yeah but there are alot of people who are off to slow starts that dosent really make them overpaid because Manny and Millwood have a history of putting up good numbers. Much like Aramis they may be off to slow starts but they will get their numbers therefore they wont be overpaid this year.

 

They probably won't stay that way. But the guy asked about present tense. I don't think Manny will stay that way for the season, but he is now. That's why I brought up Garrett Anderson and his $10m. Likewise with Erstad and Alfonzo. I think Mussina is very likely to underperform throughout the year, while the Unit is a good candidate as well. Boston's overpaid guys will be Foulke and Lowell.

[srbin84]

Jeter this year salary over last year OPS

= 24,500K per OPS point

 

Manny=18,600K

 

Beltre=18,000K

[goonys evil twin]

Brian Giles provided better numbers than that and his NEW contract only pays him 10m. Jeter makes almost double that.

 

Jeter makes more than double that. He's got a $19m salary, but then he gets a couple million more in signing bonus paid this year.

[frostwyrm]

If Nomar had taken that 4yr. $60M offer from Boston he would currently be the king. He can't play any of the middle positions anymore so it would be $15M per year for an average-to-poor-hitting hideously injury-prone corner IF/OF. Edited April 19, 2006 by frostwyrm

[Mark_R]

Derek Jeter wins the "players who are grossly overpaid but common fans don't really recognize it" award.

 

But he still produces, though.

 

Produces what in comparison to what he makes?

 

Derek Jeter= .309 .389 .450

Carlos Guillen= .320 .368 .434

 

Derek Jeter last year= $19.6m

Carlos Guillen last year= $4m

 

And Carlos had a bad year in 2005 in comparison to his 2004 campaign. What would be the typical exchange monetarily for a guy who provides numbers like .309/.389/.450?

 

Brian Giles provided better numbers than that and his NEW contract only pays him 10m. Jeter makes almost double that.

 

Nice to see Carlos Guillen play half a season for those numbers. Part of a contract is A GUY THAT CAN PLAY EVERYDAY. That's why Kerry's contract sucks. Because he's never healthy. I'm not saying Jeter isn't overpaid, but he at least still is a very productive offensive player compared to some of the other clowns listed here.

 

How many SS out OPS'd Jeter last year? Tejada? Young?

 

And the Yankees can afford to spend their money like that. They overpay everybody, its not a big deal. It only costs them more in the luxury tax.

[srbin84]

Yeah, it is kind of watered down if it is a Yankees player.

[Rob]

Jeter this year salary over last year OPS

= 24,500K per OPS point

 

Manny=18,600K

 

Beltre=18,000K

 

Positional scarcity should be a factor. A SS with an .800 OPS is worth a lot more than a LF with an .800 OPS.

[srbin84]

Jeter this year salary over last year OPS

= 24,500K per OPS point

 

Manny=18,600K

 

Beltre=18,000K

 

Positional scarcity should be a factor. A SS with an .800 OPS is worth a lot more than a LF with an .800 OPS.

 

True.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Jeter this year salary over last year OPS

= 24,500K per OPS point

 

Manny=18,600K

 

Beltre=18,000K

 

Positional scarcity should be a factor. A SS with an .800 OPS is worth a lot more than a LF with an .800 OPS.

 

On the other hand, how many SS make even half as much as Jeter? Tejada and maybe Furcal?

[ManCrushOnNomar]

Bagwell?

[srbin84]

Let's just focus on healthy players.

[Rob]

Jeter this year salary over last year OPS

= 24,500K per OPS point

 

Manny=18,600K

 

Beltre=18,000K

 

Positional scarcity should be a factor. A SS with an .800 OPS is worth a lot more than a LF with an .800 OPS.

 

On the other hand, how many SS make even half as much as Jeter? Tejada and maybe Furcal?

 

I'm hardly arguing that Jeter isn't overpaid. I just didn't like the formula being used to determine it.

[BigbadB]

How many SS out OPS'd Jeter last year? Tejada? Young?

 

Add Peralta to that list, and Felipe Lopez was very close. Peralta, Young, Lopez and Tejada combined don't make what Jeter makes. You can disagree if you wish, but Jeter is my choice for most overpaid player in baseball.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

And the Yankees can afford to spend their money like that. They overpay everybody, its not a big deal. It only costs them more in the luxury tax.

 

Then it becomes a matter of degrees. Wood's contract isn't that big a deal cause we can afford to overpay a couple guys and still be fine, Kendall's contract becomes the hands down worst because Oakland never has any money, etc.

[frostwyrm]

How many SS out OPS'd Jeter last year? Tejada? Young?

 

Add Peralta to that list, and Felipe Lopez was very close. Peralta, Young, Lopez and Tejada combined don't make what Jeter makes. You can disagree if you wish, but Jeter is my choice for most overpaid player in baseball.

Jeter is overpaid but he's still a valuable player, unlike Beltre, who has turned into a useless pile of puke.

[Rob]

And the Yankees can afford to spend their money like that. They overpay everybody, its not a big deal. It only costs them more in the luxury tax.

 

Then it becomes a matter of degrees. Wood's contract isn't that big a deal cause we can afford to overpay a couple guys and still be fine, Kendall's contract becomes the hands down worst because Oakland never has any money, etc.

 

If you're taking that route, I'd say Helton's contract is the worst. Talk about crippling a team for the foreseeable future...

[Andy]

Not a current contract, but Easley was signed to a 4/26.5 contract by Detroit and was so bad (sub-.700 OPS's in 01 and 02) that they released him and basically let TB and Florida have him for free in 2003 and 2004 respectively.

[Rob]

Not a current contract, but Easley was signed to a 4/26.5 contract by Detroit and was so bad (sub-.700 OPS's in 01 and 02) that they released him and basically let TB and Florida have him for free in 2003 and 2004 respectively.

 

Roger Cedeno was in pretty much the same boat, wasn't he?