Rumor - Murton for Soriano?

[RynoRules]

All we are saying (clap clap clap) is give Murt a chance. :protest:

[abuck1220]

I don't understand how a trade for a 30/30 player who drives in 100 runs for a rookie could be so bad. I know his plane discipline isn't great, and his numbers were elevated in Texas, but the guy can hit and run. And as much as I like Murton, he's all potential until he proves it in the bigs.

 

Guess which one of these lines is Soriano's 2005 away line, and which one is Neifi's 2005 line.

 

A) .274/.298/.383/.681

B) .224/.265/.374/.639

 

 

Hint: It's B

 

i don't think there's any way soriano would put up those #'s over the course of an entire season away from arlington. that being said, i sure hope there's a really, really good backup plan for lf if the cubs do this trade.

[rocket]

Also keep in mind, Soriano said that he's going back to the AL after this season. Hendry can't possibly trade what amounts to his #1 prospect (if you still consider Murton a prospect) for a 1 year rental that isn't even good.

[Outshined_One]

Also keep in mind, Soriano said that he's going back to the AL after this season. Hendry can't possibly trade what amounts to his #1 prospect (if you still consider Murton a prospect) for a 1 year rental that isn't even good.

 

He would be Out-Bowdening Jim Bowden.

[Mizzou]

You can make the argument that Crawford's better than Patterson, but I don't think he's so much better that trading for Crawford would be a jusifiable upgrade over Corey, especially given the likely price the Cubs would have to pay.

 

:shock: Crawford is a WHOLE lot better than CPat. From an offensive standpoint, Crawford is to Patterson, as Miguel Tejada is to Neifi.

 

Regarding the original topic of the thread, I don't see Hendry doing it. I'd be pretty pissed if he did.

[Outshined_One]

You can make the argument that Crawford's better than Patterson, but I don't think he's so much better that trading for Crawford would be a jusifiable upgrade over Corey, especially given the likely price the Cubs would have to pay.

 

:shock: Crawford is a WHOLE lot better than CPat. From an offensive standpoint, Crawford is to Patterson, as Miguel Tejada is to Neifi.

 

Three year splits:

 

Crawford:

1900 ABs, 556 H, 77 2B, 43 3B, 31 HR, 190 RBI, 88 BB, 7 HBP, 267 K, 160 SB, 33 CS, .293/.324/.427/.751

 

Patterson:

1411 ABs, 363 H, 65 2B, 16 3B, 50 HR, 161 RBI, 83 BB, 7 HBP, 363 K, 63 SB, 19 CS, .257/.301/.432/.733

 

You could also make the argument that Dusty does not run as much with CPatt as Uncle Lou ran with Crawford, but I'll leave that to your own judgment.

 

Like I said, given the price, keeping Corey would have been a better option than trading for Crawford, especially given his likely price tag.

 

Plus, Crawford posting that kind of output in LF (given his price) would just be bad.

[TXCubsFan]

That is a very silly rumor.

[Mizzou]

Three year splits aren't really valid in this instance because Crawford has significantly improved each of the last three years, while Patterson has gotten much worse in his last three years. So three year splits are very misleading. You're probably right in that it would cost too much to get Crawford, but to even place him in the same sentence as Patterson in terms of comparison is way off IMO.

[Mizzou]

That is a very silly rumor.

What happened to the picture of the girl and the bong that you just posted?

[JonnyRed]

Just curious. Is Carl Crawford available??

 

Unless he improves his BBs and Ks, we would have been better off keeping Corey Patterson. Considering that Tampa hasn't changed much despite having a new GM in terms of making impressive demands for their players, I'm sure they'd be asking for some ridiculous package.

 

??? Iirc Crawford's ops was 200 points better than CPatt last year. I do agree that TB would ask for something absurd.

 

Two things. First, Corey was absolutely abysmal last season (600 OPS). I don't think he's as bad as those numbers indicate, but his numbers are etched there. Saying that Crawford's OPS was 200 points better last season is darning him with faint praise. Secondly, comparing three year splits, Crawford's OPS is only a little under 20 points better with Corey getting an edge in power and IsoD.

 

You can make the argument that Crawford's better than Patterson, but I don't think he's so much better that trading for Crawford would be a jusifiable upgrade over Corey, especially given the likely price the Cubs would have to pay.

 

Besides, I don't think Crawford's production in LF would be good for this particular offense.

 

I'm not sure what you see in Patterson to say he's better than Crawford. Crawford has a much better average, OBP and he's better on the bases. Sure, C-Pat hits homeruns, but Crawford has scored more runs and RBIs are close. Not to mention Crawford's best years are ahed of him whereas Patterson may never learn the strike zone.

Crawford/Patterson

Ave .289 /.252

HR 33 /70

RBI 220 /231

R 308 /293

SB 169 /86

OBP .320 /.293

AB 2159 / 2176

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

You can make the argument that Crawford's better than Patterson, but I don't think he's so much better that trading for Crawford would be a jusifiable upgrade over Corey, especially given the likely price the Cubs would have to pay.

 

:shock: Crawford is a WHOLE lot better than CPat. From an offensive standpoint, Crawford is to Patterson, as Miguel Tejada is to Neifi.

 

Three year splits:

 

Crawford:

1900 ABs, 556 H, 77 2B, 43 3B, 31 HR, 190 RBI, 88 BB, 7 HBP, 267 K, 160 SB, 33 CS, .293/.324/.427/.751

 

Patterson:

1411 ABs, 363 H, 65 2B, 16 3B, 50 HR, 161 RBI, 83 BB, 7 HBP, 363 K, 63 SB, 19 CS, .257/.301/.432/.733

 

You could also make the argument that Dusty does not run as much with CPatt as Uncle Lou ran with Crawford, but I'll leave that to your own judgment.

 

Like I said, given the price, keeping Corey would have been a better option than trading for Crawford, especially given his likely price tag.

 

Plus, Crawford posting that kind of output in LF (given his price) would just be bad.

 

I don't know that using the three year splits is fair in this case, as Crawford has only had 3 complete MLB seasons due to age (and he's progressed each season).

 

Crawford put up better numbers at 22 and 23 years of age. CPat had Crawford by 40 OPS points at 24 (when he was injured and didn't get to finish the season...who knows if he would have regressed).

 

Crawford has always had a much better SB ratio than CPat.

 

I don't want Crawford either as we're already looking at one of the weakest SLG OF we've ever had. I'd take him over Jones, but that's not going to happen.

[TXCubsFan]

That is a very silly rumor.

What happened to the picture of the girl and the bong that you just posted?

 

Wasn't sure it was within the Mods' guidelines.

[RynoHawk]

I would love to have Soriano's bat in our lineup either 2 slot or 5 hole. Realisticly this won't happen cause hendry is worthless and would not pull the trigger on something like this.

[Outshined_One]

I'm going back to my original points:

 

1) I don't think Corey's numbers last year are accurately reflective of how talented he is. This season with the Orioles could be interesting for him.

 

2) I agree that Crawford is better than CPatt. However, the price to pay for him would not be worth it, especially if this ridiculous trade were to happen (actually, independent confirmation would be welcome). My case is that if the Cubs were to trade Murton for Soriano and then prospects for Crawford, the Cubs would have been better off just keeping CPatt instead of trading for Crawford because of his ridiculous price.

[sethuel1]

Rumor - I threw up in my mouth a little when I saw this thread.

[Tim]

So Washington would net Murton for Wilkerson & Sledge?

 

Could we reverse time and get those two instead of Soriano?

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Just after reading the title of the thread, let me add that I hope Jim Hendry isn't stupid enough to make this deal.

 

I'm not opposed to getting Soriano, but not if the price is Murton. If Alphonso demands a trade, offer them Wellemeyer and Greenberg. If they don't like it tough. They won't get too many better offers. Soriano is due 10 million. There aren't many teams that can absorb that high of a salary this late in the game.

[rawaction]

Murton for Soriano.....then

 

Soriano for Manny Ramirez,

or

Soriano for Cliff Floyd,

or

Soriano for Ibanez

[Drew Doughty]

Murton for Soriano.....then

 

Soriano for Manny Ramirez,

or

Soriano for Cliff Floyd,

or

Soriano for Ibanez

 

If that could be done, why wouldn't the Nats do it?

 

Then again, I'm positive that was a sarcastic post, so I don't know why I'm responding.

[fiver]

who hits second if soriano is at 2B instead of walker?...a LF playing hairston jr.? I know that we are lacking someone to hit in the 5 spot, but we'd need to dump walker, obtain a high OBP left-handed hitting left-fielder that can bat second, and look past the fact that soriano portrays all of the negatives that we didn't find appealing in Sammy. I'm not very confident that Hendry or anyone else could turn this into a positive.

[Tim]

who hits second if soriano is at 2B instead of walker?

Cedeno

[USSoccer]

I think if Hendry wanted Soriano he would have pulled the trigger and dealt with Texas.

 

Given Soriano's salary, the only scenario where he's worth investing in is one where we traded Walker or Hairston back, along with Wellemeyer. Murton for Soriano is a crime, and I don't think Bowden is clever enough to pull that off, and Hendry doesn't make too many stupid trades.

[fiver]

who hits second if soriano is at 2B instead of walker?

Cedeno

 

..there's a remote possibility that Cedeno would thrive batting in the 2 spot. :( Cedeno batting second, Soriano batting fifth, and Hairston in LF will be worse than what we have currently IMO.

[bsucubsfan]

I don't understand how a trade for a 30/30 player who drives in 100 runs for a rookie could be so bad. I know his plane discipline isn't great, and his numbers were elevated in Texas, but the guy can hit and run. And as much as I like Murton, he's all potential until he proves it in the bigs.

 

Guess which one of these lines is Soriano's 2005 away line, and which one is Neifi's 2005 line.

 

A) .274/.298/.383/.681

B) .224/.265/.374/.639

 

 

Hint: It's B

 

You have to take into consideration that oakland, seattle and los angeles aren't traditional hitters parks and he was in trade rumors all the time. I really think in a full year of : Wrigley, Great American, The Juicebox, Miller Park and PNC Park he will hit some pretty big home run totals. With Washington in the predicament they are in, they would have to pay for some of him. I think it would be a good move to get soriano. Would it be murton for soriano straight up, i dont think so. i think hendry get some prospects in the deal if he's taken on payroll. It all boils down to what is the plan with pie. I like murton, but soriano in a contract year is gonna be huge.

[bmkhawk]

Just curious. Is Carl Crawford available??

 

Has he ever been?