Padres (Buehler) vs Cubs (Rea): 7/1/26, 1:20pm

[Bote McBoteface]

1 hour ago, Brian707 said:

The Cubs just won by 20, let's at least wait an hour to start bitching about Bregman

Yo bregman aint hitting

 

 

idk i saw it had been an hour since you posted this

[ILMindState]

Bregmans probably hitting pop ups in the batting cage as we speak

[Eeyore]

2 hours ago, Bobson Dugnutt said:

Username checks out

He played "just the tip" with us last year for the first half of the season.

[PeanutPunch33]

So after today, the Cubs will have the 2nd highest WRC+ as a team and the 3rd highest run total as a team.  Not bad.  

[Bertz]

Not the biggest headline from today's game but I was just thinking we're now approaching two full calendar years of Amaya hitting really well.  Excluding today's game where he got on base 3x, he has a 117 wRC+ going back to 7/7/24.

Because of his injuries last year it's not a full set of PAs (415), and Statcast has some reservations, but dude is good.  He's even fixed his throwing arm which was a major problem early in his career.

[mk49]

1 minute ago, Bertz said:

Not the biggest headline from today's game but I was just thinking we're now approaching two full calendar years of Amaya hitting really well.  Excluding today's game where he got on base 3x, he has a 117 wRC+ going back to 7/7/24.

Because of his injuries last year it's not a full set of PAs (415), and Statcast has some reservations, but dude is good.  He's even fixed his throwing arm which was a major problem early in his career.

Miggy was remarkably good with RISP last year.  I think wRC+ with RISP was over 200 last year.  This year hasn't been as good, but he's still good.  

[Papa Cub]

Waaaaiiiiittttt…….is Boog calling the Brewers game right now?

[mk49]

14 minutes ago, Papa Cub said:

Waaaaiiiiittttt…….is Boog calling the Brewers game right now?

Really?

[mk49]

16 minutes ago, Papa Cub said:

Waaaaiiiiittttt…….is Boog calling the Brewers game right now?

Wow, you're right.  I just started watching the game to find out.

Go Reds.

 

Edited yesterday at 01:40 AM by mk49

[mk49]

Surprise.  Just found the Cubs have the 4th highest wRC+ with RISP now.  What a turnaround!

[Derwood]

Reds are blowing it. I blame Boog

[Andy]

I didn't have this game on for 90 seconds before Milwaukee took the lead

[mk49]

4 minutes ago, Derwood said:

Reds are blowing it. I blame Boog

Yeah, I just stopped watching it.

[Papa Cub]

1 hour ago, mk49 said:

Really?

I forgot it’s an ESPN broadcasting, so he’s going “National” I guess. 🤷‍♂️

[mk49]

Just now, Papa Cub said:

I forgot it’s an ESPN broadcasting, so he’s going “National” I guess. 🤷‍♂️

Yeah, you're right about that.

[Tangled Up in Plaid]

1 hour ago, Derwood said:

Reds are blowing it. I blame Boog

Reds are 4-20 against the NL Central. 0-10 against Brewers and Cubs

[NorthsideAvenger]

I just realized the Cubs left 2 guys on base. LOL. 

[Geographyhater8888]

Even while winning 11/13 the pitching staff is still allowing a 4.3 run/game average. I just hate seeing this core go to waste thanks to a shortage of quality arms. They’d theoretically have 5 more wins with even a dead average, 81 win pitching staff by war. 

Edited yesterday at 10:00 AM by Geographyhater8888

[Jason Ross]

12 minutes ago, Geographyhater8888 said:

Even while winning 11/13 the pitching staff is still allowing a 4.3 run/game average. I just hate seeing this core go to waste.

Since June 17th, the Cubs have a 4.19 ERA and league average ERA is 4.19 on the year. They are 15th over that span. The Dodgers are 16th. 

Context matters. 

None of this is saying "the Cubs pitching staff is really really good" but that over that span you're using, the staff has been relatively fine. There is probably some self-perpetuating here too. "The Cubs are winning so of course they're giving up a controllable amount of runs" type stuff. What happens when they don't?....etc

Will it keep up? I not sure. It's not something I'd bet a lot of money on. But also that they aren't being wasted as of now. The offense will need to keep hitting but the outlook isn't as dire as your post is making it seem over the span either. 

[Geographyhater8888]

16 minutes ago, Jason Ross said:

 

None of this is saying "the Cubs pitching staff is really really good" but that over that span you're using, the staff has been relatively fine. There is probably some self-perpetuating here too. "The Cubs are winning so of course they're giving up a controllable amount of runs" type stuff. What happens when they don't?....etc

Will it keep up? I not sure. It's not something I'd bet a lot of money on. But also that they aren't being wasted as of now. The offense will need to keep hitting but the outlook isn't as dire as your post is making it seem over the span either. 

With a - .8 war. Against teams that don’t hit for a lot of power which makes their 5.52 FIP awful.

And the bolded part is my point. Swanson eventually will cool off from hitting like Yankees hall of famers from the 20’s and 30’s, PCA likely cools off from his own historic June and the pitching staff will remain at the mercy of gold glove defenders. It doesn’t matter Theres only so much the defense can do on balls in play behind a staff allowing 1.5 homers/game with a 99 park factor entering Tuesday. They need arms. 

Being without Brown and Horton sucks. Both have very solid but not necessarily elite excepted ERA/FIP numbers but their ability to induce ground balls and limit home runs makes them look like cy young candidates.

Edited yesterday at 10:23 AM by Geographyhater8888

[Jason Ross]

12 minutes ago, Geographyhater8888 said:

With a - .8 war. Against teams that don’t hit for a lot of power which makes their 5.52 FIP awful.

And the bolded part is my point. Swanson eventually will cool off from hitting like Yankees hall of famers from the 20’s and 30’s, PCA likely cools off from his own historic June and the pitching staff will remain at the mercy of gold glove defenders. It doesn’t matter Theres only so much the defense can do on balls in play behind a staff allowing 1.5 homers/game with a 99 park factor entering Tuesday. They need arms. 

Being without Brown and Horton sucks. Both have very solid but not necessarily elite excepted ERA/FIP numbers but their ability to induce ground balls and limit home runs makes them look like cy young candidates.

You're moving the goal posts. Your initial post wasn't about fWAR. It was about runs per game. And by runs per game they're literally average over the time span that you're trying to spin as dire. 

And yes, Swanson will cool off. Remember when people where saying that PCA will cool off and how the offense might not survive? Here's the cool thing all offenses: not everyone is hitting their career line at once. Usually, some guys are hot some aren't. This isn't some big concept. Yes Swanson is super hot. Good reminder, two of his home runs effectively came in garbage time yesterday; they didn't even matter. Suzuki got them going early. If we believe this is a good offense we can just leave it there. We don't need to poke every hole in things. 

No one is saying "the pitching doesn't suck" but maybe we can just enjoy things for a hot minute and not try to find every negative thing to find *something* to doom-boner about. No one here is convinced the pitching staff, today, is good. We all have that hanging over our heads. 

The point isn't to say the pitching staff isn't good. But you're clearly (as you have done here by moving the goal posts of your original point then zooming straight to Dansby cooling off) trying to find anything to worry about. We can just enjoy things for five minutes. 

[Geographyhater8888]

20 minutes ago, Jason Ross said:

You're moving the goal posts. Your initial post wasn't about fWAR. It was about runs per game. And by runs per game they're literally average over the time span that you're trying to spin as dire. 

And yes, Swanson will cool off. Remember when people where saying that PCA will cool off and how the offense might not survive? Here's the cool thing all offenses: not everyone is hitting their career line at once. Usually, some guys are hot some aren't. This isn't some big concept. Yes Swanson is super hot. Good reminder, two of his home runs effectively came in garbage time yesterday; they didn't even matter. Suzuki got them going early. If we believe this is a good offense we can just leave it there. We don't need to poke every hole in things. 

No one is saying "the pitching doesn't suck" but maybe we can just enjoy things for a hot minute and not try to find every negative thing to find *something* to doom-boner about. No one here is convinced the pitching staff, today, is good. We all have that hanging over our heads. 

The point isn't to say the pitching staff isn't good. But you're clearly (as you have done here by moving the goal posts of your original point then zooming straight to Dansby cooling off) trying to find anything to worry about. We can just enjoy things for five minutes. 

You agree with me. Do I have to wait until their next 8-6 loss before stating the obvious? I wouldn’t have posted that if I wasn’t impressed by the potential of this group of position players. It’s uncommon to win 83% of your games with a pitching staff that allows over 4 runs/game and there’s not many positive reinforcements to look forward to.

Edited 23 hours ago by Geographyhater8888

[17 Seconds]

the cubs really dodged a bullet with gallen

[Jason Ross]

19 minutes ago, Geographyhater8888 said:

You agree with me. Do I have to wait until their next 8-6 loss before stating the obvious? I wouldn’t have posted that if I wasn’t impressed by the potential of this group of position players.

It isn't to say you can't post concerns. We all have them. You're free to do that. But this doesn't come off as a concern because with context, your initial comment wasn't that concerning. was it?

The issue is that you're clearly just clinging to anything to you can to feel miserable. Your first thing: "The Cubs are giving up 4.3 runs per game". When I added that since June 17th they have a league average ERA, you pivoted. This wasn't doom-worthy. So you found new things to worry about because that one wasn't doom-worthy on it's own.

You then went to fWAR and moved the goal posts of your original post (yes, we all know the pitching staff isn't great). You went to Dansby Swanson (yes, we all know he's not going to hit a home run in every at bat)...what exactly does he have to do with pitchers' fWAR? He's a gold glove SS, he's helping prevent those runs from your first post, anyways. You mentioned Cade Horton, who's been out since the second week of April and isn't coming back.

This is doom-bonering. You're just searching for the next thing to be upset about. We don't need to do that. Every team can doom-boner because no team is perfect. It's one thing to post a concern, it's another to seek out doom-and-gloom, and that's what this is coming off as you pivot from pitching staff woes, to specific hitters, to injuries. We can poke holes in whatever we want when we go looking. I'm just trying to say: take a foot off the doom-gas peddle for once, man. We don't need to find every little statistic as to why things are bad. We can just enjoy things for 24 hours.

[Geographyhater8888]

19 minutes ago, Jason Ross said:

It isn't to say you can't post concerns. We all have them. You're free to do that. 

The issue is that you're clearly just clinging to anything to you can to feel miserable. Your first thing: "The Cubs are giving up 4.3 runs per game". When I added that since June 17th they have a league average ERA, you pivoted. This wasn't doom-worthy. So you found new things to worry about because that one wasn't doom-worthy on it's own.

You then went to fWAR and moved the goal posts of your original post (yes, we all know the pitching staff isn't great). You went to Dansby Swanson (yes, we all know he's not going to hit a home run in every at bat). You mentioned Cade Horton, who's been out since the second week of April and isn't coming back. 

This is doom-bonering. You're just searching for the next thing to be upset about. We don't need to do that. 

So you agree with me but don’t like my tone. Okay. I was complimentary of the bats and gloves. It’s impressive to win at an 83% clip with mediocre traditional stats like a team 4.2 ERA through 12 games. Thats another way you can spin it. 

Edited 23 hours ago by Geographyhater8888