Feinsand - Cubs/PCA Extension Talks, No Deal Reached

[KCCub]

 

[WhyCantWeWin]

Depends fully on the option years and any other escalators but that dollar amount seems fair. Wonder what PCA was looking for

[CubinNY]

2 hours ago, WhyCantWeWin said:

Depends fully on the option years and any other escalators but that dollar amount seems fair. Wonder what PCA was looking for

Fair for who?

[Rcal10]

I think PCA will be tough to extend. Unlike some guys who sign extensions, PCA comes from a little money. He isn’t as worried about securing his “life changing” money.  I do not think offering him $75M and maybe taking 2 free agent years away from him is trolling him. And since we don’t know exactly what the actual offer was I don’t know the Cubs can be accused to trying to troll him or sign him undervalue. I just think PCA is a perfect guy to test free agency. 

[imb]

Doesn’t seem to be any reason for PCA to consider this 

[jersey cubs fan]

34 minutes ago, imb said:

Doesn’t seem to be any reason for PCA to consider this 

Yep. It’s been said repeatedly, but dudes who come from money (increasingly more likely from America born players) there just no incentive 

[WhyCantWeWin]

19 hours ago, CubinNY said:

Fair for who?

Both sides id say, Michael Harris is a good comp and i think he got 8 yr 72 mil

[Rcal10]

28 minutes ago, WhyCantWeWin said:

Both sides id say, Michael Harris is a good comp and i think he got 8 yr 72 mil

I don’t think we can say it is fair or it is a low ball offer. We don’t know the particulars. But, Harris is a good comp. So is Chirous. He got 8/$82 and is probably a better prospect. I think the biggest issue is PCA doesn’t have to worry about making “life changing” money and security. Maybe those other guys did have to worry about that. I highly doubt PCA willl sign an extension even if they upped the numbers. 

[Manny Trillos Brother]

He's a top prospect and he's off to what could generously called an "above average" start, but he's not fail-proof at this point. Frankly, he's a leg injury away from losing his best tool. If were to tear and ACL and comeback a step or two slower, he's an average player all of the sudden.

I get betting on yourself, but if he gets offered an extension between Harris and Chourio it would be really hard to advise him not to take that.  

[Tryptamine]

PCA has now passed Kyle Tucker in fWAR. His 1.1 fWAR puts him at 7th amongst hitters. 

[Rcal10]

I think for PCA to sign an extension the Cubs need to be looking closer to the Jackson Merrill extension (9/$135M) than Harris and Chourio. I don’t know how many years the Cubs offered for that $75M. If it was 7 years that is still a little short, unless they had 2 team options after that for $30M each. Then the dollars are right, but not the guarantee. To me the Merrill contract is the one you compare PCA’s too. 

[squally1313]

11 hours ago, Tryptamine said:

PCA has now passed Kyle Tucker in fWAR. His 1.1 fWAR puts him at 7th amongst hitters. 

lol just realized when you get rid of the minimum PA requirements, both Tucker and PCA fall behind the mighty Carson Kelly, who is 8th in baseball (PCA 9th), despite having 40 PAs to PCA's 89. Insane. 

[Derwood]

4 minutes ago, squally1313 said:

lol just realized when you get rid of the minimum PA requirements, both Tucker and PCA fall behind the mighty Carson Kelly, who is 8th in baseball (PCA 9th), despite having 40 PAs to PCA's 89. Insane. 

6 XBH and 11 BB in 51 PA's helps

[Stratos]

On 4/12/2025 at 7:08 PM, TomtheBombadil said:

Saw this on MLBTR…lol I guess Hoyer’s got some time to waste. Well that and our overlords are [always] testing out how draconian they can make things to applause 

Note: even if Crow-Armstrong doesn’t max develop his upside ceiling potential or whatever this would be a dumb deal to take early 2025 

There's literally nothing "draconian" about offering any MLB player any contract whatsoever.  All contracts are signed voluntary by the player and they all have the right to say no if they want, like PCA did here.  Cubs could have offered PCA an uber-cheap contract worth 20m over 8 years and who cares?   He's a grown adult with an agent and can say no.  It's just business, and both FO and player have every right to make contract decisions in each of their own best interests.

PCA would never ever sign a 20m over 8 years extension but i would absolutely love it if he did because it means the team I follow is more likely to win more games over that span.  The exact same reason why I'd love it if Ricketts would spend 500m on payroll every year.  I literally couldn't care less what money Ricketts or any player takes home.  The only thing I care about are my own interests as a fan/consumer, which is having a product (team) that's as good as possible and paying the least possible amount for it.

Why anyone licks cleats and takes sides when millionaires and billionaires squabble over how they spend all the money we fork over to them is beyond me.

[CubinNY]

3 hours ago, Stratos said:

The only thing I care about are my own interests as a fan/consumer, which is having a product (team) that's as good as possible and paying the least possible amount for it.

 

it's a tell. 

[chibears55]

On 4/12/2025 at 2:16 PM, WhyCantWeWin said:

Depends fully on the option years and any other escalators but that dollar amount seems fair. Wonder what PCA was looking for

Something tells me he wants to play in LA to finish out his career 

[Stratos]

3 hours ago, TomtheBombadil said:

Sounds psychotic

I ginu-winely laughed out loud at “licks cleats” and “millionaires v billionaires” (there’s that ‘Merican edgumication system). First time for the former, not surprised the accusation comes from someone literally bootlicking, and possibly the one billionth time some business bro on the internet drops the latter as they talk abt how free business is to do whatever it wants bc much adults lol.Yo does the average in this burning clown car/murder empire think millionaire v billionaire is a fight? Like do people know how much a billion actually is? I would not be surprised, went thru the school system too truly appalling 

I'm not American.  

[The_Achiever]

Back up the truck, Tom.  

[We Got The Whole 9]

PCA over 800 OPS

[Stratos]

30 minutes ago, TomtheBombadil said:

Not really a requirement to be indoctrinated! The ideology has infected everyone everywhere unfortunately. You could be uncontacted for all that matters 

Edit: Heck, the ideology and systems in place aren’t American figuratively or literally 

Luigi I'd be upset if they mistreated PCA in any way whatsoever.  But making PCA out to be some kind of victim and Hoyer et al to being "draconian" for putting out a rumoured lowish contract offer is just ricidulous and cringe.  The Cubs don't operate a charity, so get over it or contact your local Congressman if you don't like the rules of your society.

And yes, your real beef is with the voting habits of your fellow citizens, of which i'm not a member.  Hoyer is just trying to win as many ballgames as he can under the payroll constraints of his cheapo owner so us Cubs fan can be happy with our product.  Aka he's just doing his job.

[Stratos]

2 hours ago, TomtheBombadil said:

Again: don’t need to be ‘Merican to share in the deluded, draconian dominant ideology. Hoyer, whoever they’re all going to be trash bc that’s the game aaaaand regardless of how anyone votes!

Americans are free to vote for Marxists or Bernie Sanders or Libertarians or whomever they want for whatever economic or political system they want.  Again crying helpless victim you are.  The politics forum on this site isn't this one so why do you keep bringing political economics into every single discussion?

Now excuse me I'm off to enjoy my free healthcare and stringent gun control laws and then sit down to watch my recording of today's Cubs game.  Go Cubs!

[soccer10k]

22 minutes ago, Stratos said:

The politics forum on this site isn't this one so why do you keep bringing political economics into every single discussion?

Nobody knows the answer to this. Not even Tom.

[Hunter]

Who hurt you? You always come off as bitter and hurt. You inject it into every post. Last time Trump was elected, I stopped visiting the site for a couple of years because I got so sick of Trump being brought into every discussion. It isn't healthy to keep doing it again. Most people come here to discuss the Cubs, other teams, MLB, players, etc. I already have to hear about politics constantly in the news. This is one of the places I come to get away from it.