Bears Week 1 vs Titans: Sunday 9/8 noon on Fox

[bjam12]

6 hours ago, BigbadB said:

Speaking of Keenan, did he ever come back after he limped off the field on the touchdown attempt in the 4th quarter?

DJ Moore was on The Score and said "he's fine, he's just an old man." 🤣

Edited September 9, 2024 by bjam12

[Bobson Dugnutt]

1 hour ago, BigbadB said:

Speaking of Keenan, did he ever come back after he limped off the field on the touchdown attempt in the 4th quarter?

Pretty sure I saw him lined up when they intentionally took the delay of game, but I didn’t spot him on any plays that were actually run.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I honestly don't think I care about the -19 sack. You don't draft Caleb Williams to ask him to throw the ball away ever time a defensive tackle is closing on him.

He panicked a bit and froze instead of taking a decisive step like he normally would.  But he's perfectly capable of beating that pressure.

[We Got The Whole 9]

Imagine if Caleb had thrown a pass like Levis did on the pick 6... 

 

Honestly gotta be in the top 3 of stupidest throws I've ever seen.

[gflore34]

1 minute ago, We Got The Whole 9 said:

Imagine if Caleb had thrown a pass like Levis did on the pick 6... 

 

Honestly gotta be in the top 3 of stupidest throws I've ever seen.

Really was, given the Bears were never going to score, taking the sack was a better option.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

7 minutes ago, We Got The Whole 9 said:

Imagine if Caleb had thrown a pass like Levis did on the pick 6... 

 

Honestly gotta be in the top 3 of stupidest throws I've ever seen.

It was so satisfying because it wasn't a one-off.  He did that several times to try to avoid sacks and deserved to get punished for it 

[UMFan83]

11 hours ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

Yeah, I think people are being pretty consistent in acknowledging that it was just one game.  As someone pointed out, imagine if the Jets game was the only game you saw of CJ Stroud last year 

But within the context of a single game, that was as bad as it gets. I've always believed there are good rookie issues and bad rookie issues.

Good rookie issues are being able to make big plays but mixing in bad ones.  Get fooled by a disguised coverage. Throw a pick because you don't notice the lb shading your throwing lane.  Even the big sack where he underestimated how fast nfl DL can close, i would file that under "good rookie problem."

Bad rookie problems are when you don't show the flashes.  His longest completion was an 11 yard slant.  He overthrew every deep ball, dirt-balled half the intermediate throws, and sailed a few out routes.  I didn't see a single particularly impressive pocket escape either.

"But the offensive line was terrible.". The reason Caleb Williams is a thing is because he can make good throws in bad pocket situations. That's why you take him over Drake Maye.

"It looked like first-game jitters". Call me crazy but not being able to handle pressure and nerves without peeing down your leg is a bad thing for a franchise qb.

That was a worse debut than i could have possibly imagined.

But again, just one game.  It's gonna be a loooooong week waiting for another one to get this one behind him 

I'm getting whiplash watching you dart from one extreme to the next lol

Edited September 9, 2024 by UMFan83

[Hairyducked Idiot]

6 minutes ago, UMFan83 said:

I'm getting whiplash watching you dart from one extreme to the next lol

I'm not though. It's that NT vs ND thing i talked about in another thread.

It feels like whiplash because I *don't* change my opinions the way most people do.

I guess what I'm supposed to do is that since I'm a person who likes Caleb Williams, I'm supposed to search for a plausible interpretation of events that supports him and emphasize it, even if that explanation goes against my previous beliefs.

If you had asked me Saturday what does and doesn't worry me from rookie QBs, I would have said that splash plays and production is good, even if mixed with bad reads and mistakes.  But a complete lack of production, even if it comes with few mistakes, is more concerning.   You could dig up dozens of posts to that effect over the years.

Maybe that belief will prove wrong, either from pre-existing data I've overlooked or future data comes in. If that happens, I'll change it.

But I'm not going to change that belief because it would be more fun today to say "ok, the most important thing is he didn't have any turnovers, that's really promising for a rookie, even if he had virtually no positive production."

But I get that's how 90% of the population approaches things and it feels weird to them that I don't.

 

 

[BigbadB]

1 hour ago, Bobson Dugnutt said:

Pretty sure I saw him lined up when they intentionally took the delay of game, but I didn’t spot him on any plays that were actually run.

I just finished rewatching the game. He was actually in for their very next offensive play, which was oddly the 2 point conversion. I then saw him lined up in about half of the offensive plays they ran in the 4th quarter, but the Bears were pretty much just playing kill the clock at that point.

[Derwood]

Pitching a shut out (and creating 2 or 3 turnovers) in the second half was really impressive. Fantastic adjustments

[Bobson Dugnutt]

11 minutes ago, BigbadB said:

I just finished rewatching the game. He was actually in for their very next offensive play, which was oddly the 2 point conversion. I then saw him lined up in about half of the offensive plays they ran in the 4th quarter, but the Bears were pretty much just playing kill the clock at that point.

Interesting. I kind of just assumed Carter and Velus getting involved in the offense was because Keenan was on the sideline.

[WrigleyField 22]

8 minutes ago, Derwood said:

Pitching a shut out (and creating 2 or 3 turnovers) in the second half was really impressive. Fantastic adjustments

Honestly the D only looked bad for like two series which happened after the offense was completely unsuccessful at sustaining drives.  If the O had been even remotely effective I think the D could have held Tennessee to no TDs.

[BigbadB]

12 minutes ago, Bobson Dugnutt said:

Interesting. I kind of just assumed Carter and Velus getting involved in the offense was because Keenan was on the sideline.

Carter was in on some of the plays Keenan was in. Keenan was in the slot and Carter was lined up outside on the same side as DJ. Wasn't really paying attention to Velus, but now wondering if Rome was the one who was doing most of the sitting in that fourth quarter.

[We Got The Whole 9]

NGL seeing that Nix threw for 130 on 42 drop backs eases my frustration a bit. For whatever reason, passing around the league seemed down across the board. 

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Just now, We Got The Whole 9 said:

NGL seeing that Nix threw for 130 on 42 drop backs eases my frustration a bit. For whatever reason, passing around the league seemed down across the board. 

Bo Nix sucks.  Why is everyone pretending that Bo Nix doesn't suck or that it's surprising that he continues to suck?

[We Got The Whole 9]

Just now, Hairyducked Idiot said:

Bo Nix sucks.  Why is everyone pretending that Bo Nix doesn't suck or that it's surprising that he continues to suck?

Because he's playing under the best coach he ever has 

[Hairyducked Idiot]

1 minute ago, We Got The Whole 9 said:

Because he's playing under the best coach he ever has 

So was Mac Jones.  Coaches don't magically turn second-tier QB prospects into good ones.

(This isn't directed at you specifically. I've been frustrated all offseason by the weird belief that JJ McCarthy and Bo Nix are big-time prospects)

[WrigleyField 22]

JJ McCarthy threw for even less yards.  Something something 

[Ding Dong Johnson]

4 minutes ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

So was Mac Jones. 

Mac Jones took a big step down going from Saban to Belichick. 

[Wilson A2000]

 

 

[Hairyducked Idiot]

 

[BigbadB]

32 minutes ago, Wilson A2000 said:

 

 

And that explains why I didn't see Rome in there in the 4th quarter.

[Wilson A2000]

9 minutes ago, BigbadB said:

And that explains why I didn't see Rome in there in the 4th quarter.

I am very anxious about this injury now. Eberflus said it was from blocking, but others say that Rome got rolled up from behind the play before. 

[BigbadB]

14 minutes ago, Wilson A2000 said:

I am very anxious about this injury now. Eberflus said it was from blocking, but others say that Rome got rolled up from behind the play before. 

That quote I saw was that he was blocking on a Velus Jones screen play, and Jones and his defender both rolled up from behind Rome.

[Bertz]

59 minutes ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

 

Curious what the definition of a dropped pass is, because I can think of at least two off the top of my head: one to DJ Moore over the middle on like the 3rd or 4th offensive play and of course the Keenan Allen one in the end zone at the end of the half (maybe not a drop because he totally whiffed it?).