Chicago Bears offseason

[We Got The Whole 9]

8 minutes ago, TomtheBombadil said:

I submit that’s barely a goal and definitely not *the* goal. How does one good player likely worse than the pool available at 9 fix all these holes that were just there a second ago anyway? Idk sounds like counting on other teams being terrible at drafting to make up for the Bears being terrible at drafting here. 

Moving down from 75 and/or 122 makes waaaay more sense to get more picks 

He doesn't by himself. But obviously you look to trade back and get a 2 and another 4 or something. 

[BigbadB]

14 minutes ago, Bertz said:

Yeah it's basically WR #3, Edge #2, and maybe DT depending on how you feel about Dexter?

Given Shelton was a one year deal, I'd add Center as the other position they should draft in the first 4 rounds. It could technically be done without trading back. Fields could still net a pick, too. 

[Wilson A2000]

2 hours ago, BigbadB said:

Here is the updated trade of the 2023 first overall pick.....

 

Bears give up the first overall pick (Bryce Young)

 

Bears receive:

- OT Darnell Wright

-WR Keenan Allen (trade of 9th pick in 2024 draft)

- CB Tyrique Stevenson (trade up from 61st pick in '23)

- WR DJ Moore

- First overall pick in 2024 draft

- Second round pick in 2025 draft

 

 

Incredible trade by Poles. Could be an all-timer. Thank you, Lovie and some miracle completions by the Texans.  

[gflore34]

17 minutes ago, Wilson A2000 said:

Incredible trade by Poles. Could be an all-timer. Thank you, Lovie and some miracle completions by the Texans.  

Don't think the Texans are minding not picking #1 all that much.

[UMFan83]

43 minutes ago, BigSlick said:

I would argue the Bears don't actually have that many holes. 

They need one piece on defense. A pass rusher (admittedly, a very important piece) 

They need...a 3rd receiver and a few linemen on offense? (Assuming we draft Williams)

And of course, depth everywhere. 

 

 

Yeah they don't have a lot of holes but I think the holes they have are a bit rough

QB - If they pick Caleb, they're fine here.  Would like better backups than Bagent and Rypien but doubt we'll invest more there

RB - Swift, Roshon, Herbert - Fine here

FB - Fine here with Blasingame

TE - Could probably use a couple blocking TE, should get at least 1

OT - Depth needed

OG - Depth needed

C - Not against a draft pick here but should be fine here now I think?

WR - list is Moore, Allen, Scott, Velus, Webster.  Think we need at least 1 more guy either through the draft or a veteran FA.  There's just no depth there

 

DE - Need to improve here, not just depth

DT - Need to improve here also

LB - Don't need much here

CB - Can always use more DB but for the most part I think we're in good shape

S - Depth addition would be helpful

ST - Mostly fine though I would definitely bring in competition for Gill

[UMFan83]

5 minutes ago, gflore34 said:

Don't think the Texans are minding not picking #1 all that much.

That's fine, it worked out swimmingly for both teams.  Just not as much for the Panthers

[BigbadB]

14 minutes ago, UMFan83 said:

That's fine, it worked out swimmingly for both teams.  Just not as much for the Panthers

I saw a combination of what they got in return for giving up the first pick and CMC to San Fran and it's pretty bad. 

[NorthsideAvenger]

7 minutes ago, BigbadB said:

I saw a combination of what they got in return for giving up the first pick and CMC to San Fran and it's pretty bad. 

The return on Brian Burns was not great either. 

[Bobson Dugnutt]

The Bears still have 4 picks in the top 4 rounds. I can see the appeal of trading down if there’s a strong opportunity to fill two of C, edge, and WR by doing so, but I’ve seen Bears fans clamoring for a trade down to replenish picks spent in the Allen and Bates trades, which feels like collecting picks just for the sake of it. Poles has filled out depth in the secondary, LB, and OL via free agency. He’s not backed into a corner where he needs to recoup days 3 picks. If they do indeed get a comp pick for Mooney, the lack of picks this year will balance out next year. He’s in a good spot to do whatever he wants.

 

 

[raw]

I'm honestly fine if the Bears just make 4 picks. Other than LB and maybe CB and RB, there's not really a position they couldn't add to. But there's also not any positions where they truly need a starting caliber player. They could use another WR, but they already have enough targets to go around between DJ, Allen, Kmet, Swift and Everett. Defensive line is the closest thing to a desperate need (other than QB), and I think 1 of either DE or DT could go a long way. They get a bookend for Sweat, great. Walker moves inside more. They get a good 3-tech, great. Walker plays DE more like he did last year. Depending on how good that 1 player is, he makes everyone else on the DL better. 

So when you consider QB at 1. You still have a top 10 pick to potentially take a top 2-3 defender in the draft. The 2 later picks can be that 3rd WR and OL depth, and I'd still feel pretty good about the roster.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

2 hours ago, We Got The Whole 9 said:

It's not about the cap at all. The Bears have just 4 picks and a lot of holes.

I mean, do they?

QB, edge, wr3 ... That's about it.  Obviously you can use more depth everywhere, but the roster isn't that hole-y

[UMFan83]

Cross Philly off the list of potential Fields destinations, they just traded for Pickett.

But maybe add Pittsburgh to the list?  

[Bobson Dugnutt]

40 minutes ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

I mean, do they?

QB, edge, wr3 ... That's about it.  Obviously you can use more depth everywhere, but the roster isn't that hole-y

I would still throw center in there, but I think Ryan Poles would disagree, unfortunately.

[Tryptamine]

Honestly I think they could completely fill their needs with their 4 picks. Draft Williams at 1.1, Draft Turner at 1.9, Draft Xavier Legette or Sedrick Van Pran in the 3rd and draft either Van Pran or Roman Wilson in the 4th. They could still probably use a Dline man, but I think this covers all the major needs.  

Edited March 15, 2024 by Tryptamine

[UMFan83]

7 minutes ago, Tryptamine said:

Honestly I think they could completely fill their needs with their 4 picks. Draft Williams at 1.1, Draft Turner at 1.9, Draft Xavier Legette or Sedrick Van Pran in the 3rd and draft either Van Pran or Roman Wilson in the 4th. They could still probably use a Dline man, but I think this covers all the major needs.  

I've been thinking about whether this makes sense or not but I think that while they can fill their needs with 4 draft picks, its also about Poles' stated preference to build through the draft.  Draft picks are cheap and give you the best chance of developing star players without paying for them in FA or trading for them.  A draft class with 4 players may fill all the holes for next year but it's also less young cheap players on the roster for the next few years.  And if you miss on 1-2 of those 4 draft picks it might slow our progress.  Of course all 4 of the picks are in the first 4 rounds with 2 in the top 10 so less likely to have busts.  A large number of 5-7 round picks get cut or don't stay beyond their first contract anyways so maybe its not a big deal.

[We Got The Whole 9]

26 minutes ago, Tryptamine said:

Honestly I think they could completely fill their needs with their 4 picks. Draft Williams at 1.1, Draft Turner at 1.9, Draft Xavier Legette or Sedrick Van Pran in the 3rd and draft either Van Pran or Roman Wilson in the 4th. They could still probably use a Dline man, but I think this covers all the major needs.  

This is just too reliant on mocks lining up, but, yeah that sounds good, I guess. 

[Old Style]

This should make everyone here happy. Lol. 

[Tryptamine]

They're really going to trade 1.1 aren't they?

[17 Seconds]

3 minutes ago, Tryptamine said:

They're really going to trade 1.1 aren't they?

the silence of fields speaks louder

[Bobson Dugnutt]

27 minutes ago, Old Style said:

This should make everyone here happy. Lol. 

Did you look at other tweets from this account? It’s an unfunny parody account.

Edited March 15, 2024 by Bobson Dugnutt

[raw]

44 minutes ago, Old Style said:

This should make everyone here happy. Lol. 

Not a real quote. 

[UMFan83]

So with the Allen trade, whichi I believe is a $23.1m cap hit, where do the Bears stand with regards to the cap? Just curious if the Bears are still in a position to make any notable moves.  Definitely still some interesting players out there but not sure how aggressive we'll be at this point.

[We Got The Whole 9]

4 minutes ago, UMFan83 said:

So with the Allen trade, whichi I believe is a $23.1m cap hit, where do the Bears stand with regards to the cap? Just curious if the Bears are still in a position to make any notable moves.  Definitely still some interesting players out there but not sure how aggressive we'll be at this point.

I think they'll extend him and lower that hit 

[cwood218]

32 minutes ago, UMFan83 said:

So with the Allen trade, whichi I believe is a $23.1m cap hit, where do the Bears stand with regards to the cap? Just curious if the Bears are still in a position to make any notable moves.  Definitely still some interesting players out there but not sure how aggressive we'll be at this point.

Give or take they are around 10 Million.

[raw]

8 hours ago, We Got The Whole 9 said:

I think they'll extend him and lower that hit 

I'm not in favor of paying money to a WR in his age 33 season or beyond. I know Allen is still really good, but he has also missed 11 games in the last 2 years. And as we see this year and saw as recently as 2021, there are literal tons of good young WRs coming into the draft every year.