Chicago Bears offseason

[UMFan83]

Some more reaction from players on twitter

 

 

 

 

 

 

[BigSlick]

At the risk of sounding callous, I don’t think the Bears failed Justin Fields. Yes, the players around him were suboptimal (a problem all highly stated QBs have to deal with) and yes he had to deal with a coaching change, but the problems he had as a a starter were the same ones that showed up on his scouting report. He takes too horsefeathers long to release the ball, he has a super long release, he doesn’t feel pressure in the pocket well. I’m not positive any of these things can be “coached” out of him, or at the very least, I’m sure the bears didn’t make it worse. It is what it is.

[jersey cubs fan]

3 minutes ago, BigSlick said:

At the risk of sounding callous, I don’t think the Bears failed Justin Fields. Yes, the players around him were suboptimal (a problem all highly stated QBs have to deal with) and yes he had to deal with a coaching change, but the problems he had as a a starter were the same ones that showed up on his scouting report. He takes too horsefeathers long to release the ball, he has a super long release, he doesn’t feel pressure in the pocket well. I’m not positive any of these things can be “coached” out of him, or at the very least, I’m sure the bears didn’t make it worse. It is what it is.

They horsefeathers sabotaged his second year in the league. 

[Hairyducked Idiot]

11 minutes ago, jersey cubs fan said:

They horsefeathers sabotaged his second year in the league. 

Wouldn't have changed the outcome.  He'd just have had a Trubisky 2018 season 

[Thusly Boned]

16 minutes ago, BigSlick said:

At the risk of sounding callous, I don’t think the Bears failed Justin Fields. Yes, the players around him were suboptimal (a problem all highly stated QBs have to deal with) and yes he had to deal with a coaching change, but the problems he had as a a starter were the same ones that showed up on his scouting report. He takes too horsefeathers long to release the ball, he has a super long release, he doesn’t feel pressure in the pocket well. I’m not positive any of these things can be “coached” out of him, or at the very least, I’m sure the bears didn’t make it worse. It is what it is.

Fields has issues (one, mostly) that can't be fixed, but the Bears impaired him in just about every way they could. The whole thing would have seemed insidious to anyone not familiar with how inept the Bears are.

He almost certainly wouldn't have ended up being the guy regardless, but the organization did its best to make sure he wasn't the guy.

[BigSlick]

His best year was the one that was 'sabotaged' - he was worse in 2023 with a better surrounding cast. I don't know what to tell ya. 

[NorthsideAvenger]

Fare thee well, JF1.

Now we have to hope that Caleb will not be the next QB to join the Bears QB cemetery club.

[17 Seconds]

 

[BigbadB]

I so wanted Justin Fields to be the guy we've been waiting for all this time. They gave him 3 years to try to be that guy, and he just wasn't. The franchise definitely didn't help him, and I do believe having confidence in yourself to make those hard throws is part of being a good QB, and he didn't possess that, or lost it somewhere along the way. The idea of trading back from 1 again for a historic haul was tempting once again, but I think it's been known by Poles since Lovie Smith engineered that comeback victory that Caleb Williams was destined to be the next Bears QB. 

Poles has patiently waited 2 previous drafts to get "his" guy to lead his team. And he wants Caleb to be his guy so much, that he's loaded up the weapons room with guys to help him achieve that goal. I'm assuming another WR will be drafted that can possibly help immediately.

I have a feeling Poles will try to extend Allen's contract to 3 years. It's a good retirement age for a WR and will help give the Bears more financial flexibility this year to sign some post June cuts and camp casualties for depth instead of counting on non factor free agents and UDFA's. 

[Brian707]

Poles only got a 6th, but that is very telling what the entire league thinks of Fields.  Yes part of it was also the league knowing he had to trade him but us Bears fans overvalued Fields because our best QBs over the last 104 years were Luckman, McMahon,  Kramer, and Cutler.  Williams might bust, he might be a HOFer, we don't know.  What we do know Fields was a bust.

Edited March 17, 2024 by Brian707

[raw]

12 hours ago, XZero77 said:

I feel bad for Justin, the Bears failed him. But his biggest problem wasn't fixable. Now I'm relieved we don't have to listen to all these people living in an alternate reality where this wasn't always (at least since the Bears were guaranteed 1.1) going to happen. 

I actually think Pitt is a good spot for him, he'll be starting before long when Russ collapses on himself.

I watched a podcast on YouTube and there's someone in the comment saying the trade is fake and another smokescreen. LOL.

I also read on Facebook that people are still expecting a trade to Washington or to 5-6 to take another QB. Which, stupid people are on Facebook.

But this is the Trump era, where you can just say a proven fact is "fake news" and go on with your life believing a conspiracy theory.

[raw]

I don't think the trade package says anything about anything. Teams know the Jets were trading Darnold and he got more than this Fields trade. Players don't get traded for their value or based on what the league thinks about them. There are several factors including contract status (either too much money owed or too few years left). Plus, there's doing right by the player, which Poles said he would do, and I think did. Word is the Eagles offered, but Fields wanted Pittsburgh. Better chance to start games over Russell Wilson instead of Jalen Hurts. 

[scarey]

Why is the discussion focused the Bears moving on from Fields? I understand there was a chance they went with Fields next year all the way up until he's off the team... but I think there's just as much of a chance that they trade back for him again.

In other words... this has been a done deal for weeks. We all knew it. The media knew it. Admittedly, there were some hardcore Fields stans that refused to believe it, but most of those people were casual observers or just completely delusional people (see Raw's post on the "fake" trade).

The real story here is how little the Bears ended up getting for him. I don't want to hear about how Bears fans were overvaluing him because a lot of the expected trade value was drummed up by national or local media. The trades of Kenny Pickett and Sam Howell also inform us of what the relative trade value should be for Fields.

Somebody messed up here. It may have very well been Poles, I don't know that for sure. What I do know is that the Bears had an asset that they did not get enough value out of.

Edited March 17, 2024 by scarey

[BigbadB]

Bulls announcers got duped last night on a fake Derrick Rose retirement announcement that they then announced on the air. So much crap out there. That's what I was trying to say earlier in this thread and maybe I shouldn't have included actual journalists/reporters, but there are a lot of people trying to pass themselves off as exactly that. 

[Old Style]

So is Caleb going to start game 1 or will we have to watch Bagent for a while first?

[NorthsideAvenger]

6 minutes ago, Old Style said:

So is Caleb going to start game 1 or will we have to watch Bagent for a while first?

Why ask a question you already know the answer to?

[CubinNY]

Presumably the Bears read the scouting report when they drafted Fields. So either they didn’t work on his weaknesses or weren’t able to overcome them. Additionally, they did him no favors by attempting to build the team up around him. 
 

I think they royally fucked him up, both through bad coaching and bad player management. I don’t believe in slow processing horsefeathers. It’s their responsibility to develop players and they didn’t. We will see if different coaching will help. 

[Old Style]

44 minutes ago, NorthsideAvenger said:

Why ask a question you already know the answer to?

I didn’t. That’s why I asked the horsefeathers question. 

[Hairyducked Idiot]

37 minutes ago, CubinNY said:

Presumably the Bears read the scouting report when they drafted Fields. So either they didn’t work on his weaknesses or weren’t able to overcome them. Additionally, they did him no favors by attempting to build the team up around him. 
 

I think they royally fucked him up, both through bad coaching and bad player management. I don’t believe in slow processing horsefeathers. It’s their responsibility to develop players and they didn’t. We will see if different coaching will help. 

https://xkcd.com/154/

[Hairyducked Idiot]

1 hour ago, raw said:

I don't think the trade package says anything about anything. Teams know the Jets were trading Darnold and he got more than this Fields trade. Players don't get traded for their value or based on what the league thinks about them. There are several factors including contract status (either too much money owed or too few years left). Plus, there's doing right by the player, which Poles said he would do, and I think did. Word is the Eagles offered, but Fields wanted Pittsburgh. Better chance to start games over Russell Wilson instead of Jalen Hurts. 

I believe that poles turned down a better offer about as much as I believed that fields was getting a second, that he didn't shop fields over the combine, or that we were waiting for Williams' medicals.  It was the latest in a series of obvious lies the last few weeks to protect fields' reputation as the league thoroughly rejected him as a starter 

[Hairyducked Idiot]

1 hour ago, scarey said:

Why is the discussion focused the Bears moving on from Fields? I understand there was a chance they went with Fields next year all the way up until he's off the team... but I think there's just as much of a chance that they trade back for him again.

In other words... this has been a done deal for weeks. We all knew it. The media knew it. Admittedly, there were some hardcore Fields stans that refused to believe it, but most of those people were casual observers or just completely delusional people (see Raw's post on the "fake" trade).

The real story here is how little the Bears ended up getting for him. I don't want to hear about how Bears fans were overvaluing him because a lot of the expected trade value was drummed up by national or local media. The trades of Kenny Pickett and Sam Howell also inform us of what the relative trade value should be for Fields.

Somebody messed up here. It may have very well been Poles, I don't know that for sure. What I do know is that the Bears had an asset that they did not get enough value out of.

It does seem likely that poles overplayed the market a little, but the trades of Pickett and ridder and Howell and Jones *did* show us fields' value and it's about the same as those guys.

This is the price for a busted first rounder at the end of his rookie deal going to take a backup job 

Edited March 17, 2024 by Hairyducked Idiot

[NorthsideAvenger]

20 minutes ago, Old Style said:

I didn’t. That’s why I asked the horsefeathers question. 

Unnessary agression is unnessary.

But barring injury, Caleb should be W1 starter. 

[17 Seconds]

it's weird that the bears are about to draft a QB with the number 1 pick and it feels like almost nobody in the fanbase is hyped for it (either because they wanted fields or they think Caleb is a goofball)

Edited March 17, 2024 by 17 Seconds

[Old Style]

22 minutes ago, NorthsideAvenger said:

Unnessary agression is unnessary.

But barring injury, Caleb should be W1 starter. 

Don’t cry when you get a response like that when you give me a dick reply to an honest question. 

[UMFan83]

1 hour ago, CubinNY said:

Presumably the Bears read the scouting report when they drafted Fields. So either they didn’t work on his weaknesses or weren’t able to overcome them. Additionally, they did him no favors by attempting to build the team up around him. 
 

I think they royally fucked him up, both through bad coaching and bad player management. I don’t believe in slow processing horsefeathers. It’s their responsibility to develop players and they didn’t. We will see if different coaching will help. 

He would be one of the very rare QBs that fail on their first team and become something with their second team. Everyone said the same about Mitch too and look how that turned out. 
 

Of course we’ll never know if QBs that don’t pan out were ruined by poor development that can’t be overcome or if they were not good enough. 
 

I think there’s a reason Justin dropped from 2 to 11 in the draft and we saw that reason. Maybe better coaching and scheming makes him a little better but doesn’t seem to me like the Bears “ruined” him.