Chicago Bears offseason

[jb10194]

Moore - 1364, Allen - 1243, Kmet - 719, Everett - 411, Swift - 214

If you combine their receiving yards from last year together you have the #1 all time Bears leading passer (still under 4,000 yards)

[gflore34]

42 minutes ago, jb10194 said:

Moore - 1364, Allen - 1243, Kmet - 719, Everett - 411, Swift - 214

If you combine their receiving yards from last year together you have the #1 all time Bears leading passer (still under 4,000 yards)

I think we could live with Caleb Williams throwing for 3800+ passing yards next season.

Edited March 15, 2024 by gflore34

[BigbadB]

Here is the updated trade of the 2023 first overall pick.....

 

Bears give up the first overall pick (Bryce Young)

 

Bears receive:

- OT Darnell Wright

-WR Keenan Allen (trade of 9th pick in 2024 draft)

- CB Tyrique Stevenson (trade up from 61st pick in '23)

- WR DJ Moore

- First overall pick in 2024 draft

- Second round pick in 2025 draft

 

 

[17 Seconds]

3 minutes ago, BigbadB said:

Here is the updated trade of the 2023 first overall pick.....

 

Bears give up the first overall pick (Bryce Young)

 

Bears receive:

- OT Darnell Wright

-WR Keenan Allen (trade of 9th pick in 2024 draft)

- CB Tyrique Stevenson (trade up from 61st pick in '23)

- WR DJ Moore

- First overall pick in 2024 draft

- Second round pick in 2025 draft

 

 

say what?

[BigbadB]

2 minutes ago, 17 Seconds said:

say what?

They traded back with Phily and picked up the 4th rounder used to trade for Allen. Phily drafted Jalen Carter at 9.

[17 Seconds]

Just now, BigbadB said:

They traded back with Phily and picked up the 4th rounder used to trade for Allen.

i figured i was missing something

[Bertz]

Unless they're loading up to grab #3 from NE, this would seem to indicate four QBs are about to be slated to go top 8

[We Got The Whole 9]

Yeah it's a little confusing since we have the 9 now. 

 

Gotta say Poles' plan pretty much worked to perfection as far as he is concerned. I just wish he had added some more impactful FAs the last couple years. 

[raw]

14 minutes ago, BigbadB said:

They traded back with Phily and picked up the 4th rounder used to trade for Allen. Phily drafted Jalen Carter at 9.

They traded their own 4th and still have the Philly pick.

[raw]

11 hours ago, Wilson A2000 said:

I would rather have Odunze than Allen if they end up trading the 9th pick now

Agreed. Not that they couldn't pick Odunze still, as Allen is 32 and on the last year of his deal. And they could still use that downfield threat/X WR that Odunze can provide. But I'm not really a huge fan of this deal. 

Not sure any of this was on the table (or still can't be), but I would have rather signed Mike Williams for just money, then traded that 4th for Josh Sweat in Philly. Still makes a guy like Nabers a potential pick at 9 (if there) and makes me feel more comfortable with a trade down at 9.

[BigbadB]

4 minutes ago, raw said:

They traded their own 4th and still have the Philly pick.

Ah crap. You are correct, sir. 

[NorthsideAvenger]

In 2018, a 23 year old Patrick Mahomes was QB an offense that included Kareem Hunt, Travis Kelce, Sammy Watkins, and Tyreek Hill.

In 2024, a 23 year old (In November) rookie Caleb Williams should be QB an offense that has De'Andre Swift, Cole Kmet, DJ Moore and Keenan Allen.

Poles is definitely taking a page out of the KC playbook. 

I'm not comparing Caleb to Mahomes (that would be foolish), I'm noting the similarities. 

Edited March 15, 2024 by NorthsideAvenger

[raw]

5 minutes ago, NorthsideAvenger said:

In 2018, a 23 year old Patrick Mahomes was QB an offense that included Kareem Hunt, Travis Kelce, Sammy Watkins, and Tyreek Hill.

In 2024, a 23 year old (In November) rookie Caleb Williams should be QB an offense that has De'Andre Swift, Cole Kmet, DJ Moore and Keenan Allen.

Poles is definitely taking a page out of the KC playbook. 

I'm not comparing Caleb to Mahomes (that would be foolish), I'm noting the similarities. 

I don't know that this really says much. It's basically, a pair of 23 year old QBs (one a rookie added to a bad team, one a 2nd year added to a playoff team) with talent around them. The goal of every team should be to have talent around their QB. 

[NorthsideAvenger]

2 minutes ago, raw said:

I don't know that this really says much. It's basically, a pair of 23 year old QBs (one a rookie added to a bad team, one a 2nd year added to a playoff team) with talent around them. The goal of every team should be to have talent around their QB. 

Of course. I just find it interesting, that's all. 

[Hairyducked Idiot]

49 minutes ago, BigbadB said:

Here is the updated trade of the 2023 first overall pick.....

 

Bears give up the first overall pick (Bryce Young)

 

Bears receive:

- OT Darnell Wright

-WR Keenan Allen (trade of 9th pick in 2024 draft)

- CB Tyrique Stevenson (trade up from 61st pick in '23)

- WR DJ Moore

- First overall pick in 2024 draft

- Second round pick in 2025 draft

 

 

I can find plenty of things to complain about poles, but in terms of impact, that one trade outweighs all of them

[jersey cubs fan]

25 minutes ago, NorthsideAvenger said:

In 2018, a 23 year old Patrick Mahomes was QB an offense that included Kareem Hunt, Travis Kelce, Sammy Watkins, and Tyreek Hill.

In 2024, a 23 year old (In November) rookie Caleb Williams should be QB an offense that has De'Andre Swift, Cole Kmet, DJ Moore and Keenan Allen.

Poles is definitely taking a page out of the KC playbook. 

I'm not comparing Caleb to Mahomes (that would be foolish), I'm noting the similarities. 

D’andre Swift does not belong in this comparison and Cole Kmet is a couple tiers below Kelce. The situation is not really all that comparable other than guys play same positions. 

[UMFan83]

11 minutes ago, raw said:

I don't know that this really says much. It's basically, a pair of 23 year old QBs (one a rookie added to a bad team, one a 2nd year added to a playoff team) with talent around them. The goal of every team should be to have talent around their QB. 

It doesn't say much other than how different that is to the previous 2 times we attempted to develop a QB.

Trubisky rookie year:

RB: Jordan Howard

WR1: Kendall Wright

WR2: Josh Bellamy

TE1: Zach Miller

TE2: Dion Simms?

 

Fields rookie year:

RB: David Montgomery

WR1: Allen Robinson

WR2: Darnell Mooney

TE1: Cole Kmet 

TE2: Jimmy Graham

 

The Fields rookie year guys seem ok but Mooney and Kmet were rookies and Allen Robinson half assed it the second half of the season.

 

 

[gflore34]

 

5 minutes ago, UMFan83 said:

It doesn't say much other than how different that is to the previous 2 times we attempted to develop a QB.

Trubisky rookie year:

RB: Jordan Howard

WR1: Kendall Wright

WR2: Josh Bellamy

TE1: Zach Miller

TE2: Dion Simms?

 

Fields rookie year:

RB: David Montgomery

WR1: Allen Robinson

WR2: Darnell Mooney

TE1: Cole Kmet 

TE2: Jimmy Graham

 

The Fields rookie year guys seem ok but Mooney and Kmet were rookies and Allen Robinson half assed it the second half of the season.

 

 

Funny how Mooney did the same thing last season.

Edited March 15, 2024 by gflore34

[We Got The Whole 9]

50 minutes ago, TomtheBombadil said:

Just going to throw out that this isn’t tomato/tomahto. Turner probably shouldn’t get out of the top 10 anyway. Verse maybe the back half of the first and Latu maybe not in the first at all (tbf to him I haven’t reeeally paid attention to edge rushers)

Trading down from such a high pick in general seems meh. What for? Worse picks and some cap?  

It's not about the cap at all. The Bears have just 4 picks and a lot of holes.

[Old Style]

52 minutes ago, raw said:

I don't know that this really says much. It's basically, a pair of 23 year old QBs (one a rookie added to a bad team, one a 2nd year added to a playoff team) with talent around them. The goal of every team should be to have talent around their QB. 

I’m sure Justin Fields felt the same way the last few years. 

[BigSlick]

I'll say it again, #IStandWithRyanPoles - I very much enjoy having a GM who's moves seem to have a logic and an overarching purpose to them. 

His tenure may go down in flames, but so far, 4 out of every 5 moves he makes I'm like "yeah, I see what you're doing here, and it's ballsy and good"

Now go out there and get a franchise QB my man. 

[NorthsideAvenger]

39 minutes ago, We Got The Whole 9 said:

It's not about the cap at all. The Bears have just 4 picks and a lot of holes.

Only one position really matters and that is QB. Figure that one out (Caleb Williams), and the rest will take care of themselves. 

[We Got The Whole 9]

6 minutes ago, TomtheBombadil said:

Lotta holes schmotta holes just take the rare obvious gift W! Yous are getting Caleb Williams + another top 10 pick in a top 10 that caters to the pass! Bears should be sprinting out of that top 10 with Williams + one among at least Thomas, Turner, Odunze, Smart, Guyton (if a LT) 

 

You just named 5 guys that could be there at 9, possibly one or two make it to 15 or whatever. I personally don't get locked into any single player anymore because there are always 15-20 players that get taken in the 1st that turn into players worthy of a 2nd contract. If they trade back they will still get a really good, possibly great player in my estimation

[BigSlick]

I would argue the Bears don't actually have that many holes. 

They need one piece on defense. A pass rusher (admittedly, a very important piece) 

They need...a 3rd receiver and a few linemen on offense? (Assuming we draft Williams)

And of course, depth everywhere. 

 

 

Edited March 15, 2024 by BigSlick

[Bertz]

6 minutes ago, BigSlick said:

I would argue the Bears don't actually have that many holes. 

 

Yeah it's basically WR #3, Edge #2, and maybe DT depending on how you feel about Dexter?