Cubs offseason chit chat...

[Jason Ross]

Witt signed an 11 year, 287m extension with Kansas City.

[thawv]

10 minutes ago, 1908_Cubs said:

Witt signed an 11 year, 287m extension with Kansas City.

If they were smart, they would front load it so he's easier to trade him when they realize that they're sill not a good team with him, and want to get out from under what's left of the contract.   

[UMFan83]

9 minutes ago, 1908_Cubs said:

Witt signed an 11 year, 287m extension with Kansas City.

By my count 19 MLB teams have now committed more total $$ in a contract than the Cubs ($184m)

Not that this is the end all be all or that the Cubs wouldn't offer a larger contract especially to a young player like Witt Jr.  It's just interesting.

[Bertz]

After the Stripling trade wonder if the Giants are doing a a Boras pitcher + a lesser bat instead of just Chapman to finish their offseason.

 

[KCCub]

The new KC ownership group is sticking to their word of saying they were going to spend and try to lock up young stars. They've desparately needed to lock up talent to help sell the folks here in KC on building them a new stadium.

[Andy]

23 minutes ago, 1908_Cubs said:

Witt signed an 11 year, 287m extension with Kansas City.

Passan reporting there are opt outs after years 7-10 for Witt. There's also a 3-year club option tacked on to the end of it, but it seems hard to imagine Witt not using any of his opt-outs while the Royals also want to keep him at big money for 3 more years.

[Jason Ross]

16 minutes ago, UMFan83 said:

By my count 19 MLB teams have now committed more total $$ in a contract than the Cubs ($184m)

Not that this is the end all be all or that the Cubs wouldn't offer a larger contract especially to a young player like Witt Jr.  It's just interesting.

Was thinking the same exact thing. Hopefully the Cubs do something about that with Juan Soto next season...

[WhyCantWeWin]

Royals outspending the Cubs. New levels of pathetic being achieved by this organization 

[Illiterate Scholar]

11 minutes ago, WhyCantWeWin said:

Royals outspending the Cubs. New levels of pathetic being achieved by this organization 

I can't believe Jed didn't offer a great player on another team $300 million. Classic conservative Jed

[Bertz]

43 minutes ago, KCCub said:

The new KC ownership group is sticking to their word of saying they were going to spend and try to lock up young stars. They've desparately needed to lock up talent to help sell the folks here in KC on building them a new stadium.

I liked the Lugo deal too.  And obviously the Ragans trade was a homerun.  Good on them for seemingly turning a corner and moving on from being the closest thing the AL has to the Rockies.

[squally1313]

21 minutes ago, WhyCantWeWin said:

Royals outspending the Cubs. New levels of pathetic being achieved by this organization 

Cubs payroll is, as of today, $50m higher than the Royals, they have a top 5 farm system while the Royals project as the worst, and have a 12-15 WAR advantage based on current rosters going into the season. Absolutely horsefeathers pathetic. 

[Ding Dong Johnson]

 

[Illiterate Scholar]

56 minutes ago, Bertz said:

After the Stripling trade wonder if the Giants are doing a a Boras pitcher + a lesser bat instead of just Chapman to finish their offseason.

 

If not the Giants or Cubs, I wonder where the heck Chapman would go. I know he almost always does, but I don't see how Boras can possibly pull this off where all 4 of the remaining big guys get legit long term deals.

[Bertz]

3 minutes ago, Illiterate Scholar said:

If not the Giants or Cubs, I wonder where the heck Chapman would go. I know he almost always does, but I don't see how Boras can possibly pull this off where all 4 of the remaining big guys get legit long term deals.

The Angels could make Rendon a more or less full time DH?  Otherwise yeah it's seemingly Giants, Cubs, or mystery team.  Like I could see the Tigers or Nats bringing him in a year too early as a "hey we're nearly back" kind of move.

[Tryptamine]

31 minutes ago, Illiterate Scholar said:

I can't believe Jed didn't offer a great player on another team $300 million. Classic conservative Jed

Yes, because as we know, Bobby Witt was the only one that Jed possibly could have thrown money at. There weren't and still currently aren't a multitude of FAs who are/were available.

[Thusly Boned]

14 minutes ago, Bertz said:

The Angels could make Rendon a more or less full time DH?  Otherwise yeah it's seemingly Giants, Cubs, or mystery team.  Like I could see the Tigers or Nats bringing him in a year too early as a "hey we're nearly back" kind of move.

"full time", lol

[squally1313]

Just now, Tryptamine said:

Yes, because as we know, Bobby Witt was the only one that Jed possibly could have thrown money at. There weren't and still currently aren't a multitude of FAs who are/were available.

The Royals had a top infield prospect in all of baseball, gave him 150 starts his rookie year while he OBPed under .300, let him develop into a stud his next year with another 158 games and locked him into a contract where they pay him like $43m over the next four years total, and and in response to that you....want to give Cody Bellinger and/or Matt Chapman, each projected around 3 WAR, $20-$30m a year for 3-7 years while PCA, Shaw, Alcantara, etc all sit around in the upper minors. 

[Rob]

20 minutes ago, squally1313 said:

Cubs payroll is, as of today, $50m higher than the Royals, they have a top 5 farm system while the Royals project as the worst, and have a 12-15 WAR advantage based on current rosters going into the season. Absolutely horsefeathers pathetic. 

Cubs opening day payroll ranks (mlb) and W-L records under Jim Hendry:

2003 - 11 (88-74)

2004 - 6 (89-73)

2005 - 8 (79-83)

2006 - 7 (66-96)

2007 - 8 (85-77)

2008 - 8 (97-64)

2009 - 3 (83-78)

2010 - 3 (75-87)

2011 - 6 (71-91)

Our payroll was well above average during that whole period, and our cumulative W-L record in those years was 733-723.

How easily we forget -- Hendry's problem wasn't a lack of spending. It was a lack of spending smartly. He didn't want to pay for a real analytics department or minor league development. We overpaid for role players and relievers. Hendry didn't like pre-arb extensions, preferring to wait to extend star players like Aramis Ramirez until free agency was two weeks away.

Having lived through the Hendry era, I'm glad to see the Cubs exercising restraint and spending smartly.

[LBiittner]

14 minutes ago, XZero77 said:

"full time", lol

I see what you did there haha

[CubinNY]

6 minutes ago, Rob said:

Cubs opening day payroll ranks (mlb) and W-L records under Jim Hendry:

2003 - 11 (88-74)

2004 - 6 (89-73)

2005 - 8 (79-83)

2006 - 7 (66-96)

2007 - 8 (85-77)

2008 - 8 (97-64)

2009 - 3 (83-78)

2010 - 3 (75-87)

2011 - 6 (71-91)

Our payroll was well above average during that whole period, and our cumulative W-L record in those years was 733-723.

How easily we forget -- Hendry's problem wasn't a lack of spending. It was a lack of spending smartly. He didn't want to pay for a real analytics department or minor league development. We overpaid for role players and relievers. Hendry didn't like pre-arb extensions, preferring to wait to extend star players like Aramis Ramirez until free agency was two weeks away.

Having lived through the Hendry era, I'm glad to see the Cubs exercising restraint and spending smartly.

lol. 

[WhyCantWeWin]

59 minutes ago, Illiterate Scholar said:

I can't believe Jed didn't offer a great player on another team $300 million. Classic conservative Jed

How do you twist me mentioning the Royals outspending the Cubs into your goofy comment? Like I'm clearly complaining the Cubs aren't signing top tier talent the last couple of offseasons.

I swear some of you have Hoyers schlong so deeply embedded in your throats and will try to defend him in the silliest of ways. The Royals have outspent the Cubs and that's a fact. 

[Bertz]

3 minutes ago, WhyCantWeWin said:

How do you twist me mentioning the Royals outspending the Cubs into your goofy comment? Like I'm clearly complaining the Cubs aren't signing top tier talent the last couple of offseasons.

I swear some of you have Hoyers schlong so deeply embedded in your throats and will try to defend him in the silliest of ways. The Royals have outspent the Cubs and that's a fact. 

Is it?  The Cubs payroll is $45M higher than the Royals right now and expectation is they'll end up with Bellinger pushing the gap to $70M.

[Tim]

5 minutes ago, WhyCantWeWin said:

The Royals have outspent the Cubs and that's a fact. 

Only by a single, and very silly, definition.

[WhyCantWeWin]

2 minutes ago, Tim said:

Only by a single, and very silly, definition.

Doesn't change the fact. The Cubs will have to hand out a 200 mil plus contract eventually even if hoyer is afraid. Just pathetic the Royals beat them to it. 

[Tim]

13 minutes ago, WhyCantWeWin said:

Doesn't change the fact. The Cubs will have to hand out a 200 mil plus contract eventually even if hoyer is afraid. Just pathetic the Royals beat them to it. 

This is something I'll agree with. 

Saying the Royals are outspending the Cubs isn't.