Cubs offseason chit chat...

[JHBulls]

38 minutes ago, Transmogrified Tiger said:

There's 'okay maybe a multi-year deal for a reliever', and then there's 'give up a QO pick to pay a reliever a multi-year, 8 figure AAV'.  The former is believable, although maybe not so much plan A depending on where the market goes with AAVs.  The latter seems like a desperation Plan D at best.

I just hope at the end of the offseason the Cubs FO aren’t patting themselves on the back that they “put the pressure on” in the Ohtani/Yamamoto/Soto trade market etc sweepstakes and end up with a bunch of Plan D signings. Now that would be disappointing. 

[KCCub]

Witt Jr lol. I’ll have some of what you’re having.

[Rcal10]

7 minutes ago, JHBulls said:

I just hope at the end of the offseason the Cubs FO aren’t patting themselves on the back that they “put the pressure on” in the Ohtani/Yamamoto/Soto trade market etc sweepstakes and end up with a bunch of Plan D signings. Now that would be disappointing. 

But there is a lot of area between plan A and D. Would you be disappointed if they ended up trading for Bichette, a young controlled pitcher, and then added either Alonso, Hoskins or Bellinger and signed the other Japanese starting pitcher? Add a pen arm at around $5M and that is the off season. 
I do want either Ohtani or a Soto trade. And then add from there. But they can still have a good off season without them.

[Rob]

This roster needs to add roughly 8-10 WAR for me to be "happy" with the offseason. I don't really care where it comes from. Ohtani and scrubs. Fine.

Bichette, Alonso, and another? Fine.

Once we get into that 12+ win range, I move from "happy" to legitimately excited.

[Stratos]

5 hours ago, thawv said:

A threat to who????  To me, "thought as a threat" means nothing more than the Cubs driving up the price to the real favorite.   That said, I really have a good feeling that the Cubs sign him.

Don't get your hopes up.  Remember last year Ricketts gave Hoyer the green light to spend "whatever it takes" to turn the Cubs into a winner.

I think we're a contender so we'll see.  Dodgers or someone else might blow our offer out of the water.

[KCCub]

2 minutes ago, Rob said:

This roster needs to add roughly 8-10 WAR for me to be "happy" with the offseason. I don't really care where it comes from. Ohtani and scrubs. Fine.

Bichette, Alonso, and another? Fine.

Once we get into that 12+ win range, I move from "happy" to legitimately excited.

I think this is the best approach as a fan. It’s an exciting off-season for us no doubt, but the scenarios I’ve seen thrown around on here (I won’t even mention the craziness on Twitter and other places), I think there’s a good chance for a fanbase meltdown when we actually see the end results. I’ve seen posts saying they would be upset with a Soto trade. The expectations have went through the roof and some of these trade scenarios don’t have enough “hurt” from our side. No pressure Jed…

[ILMindState]

Trade Morel and Brown for Mookie Betts. Then Ohtani won’t want to sign there. It kills 2 birds with one stone. 

[JHBulls]

2 hours ago, Rcal10 said:

2 hours ago, Rcal10 said:

But there is a lot of area between plan A and D. Would you be disappointed if they ended up trading for Bichette, a young controlled pitcher, and then added either Alonso, Hoskins or Bellinger and signed the other Japanese starting pitcher? Add a pen arm at around $5M and that is the off season. 
I do want either Ohtani or a Soto trade. And then add from there. But they can still have a good off season without them.

Of course I wouldn’t be disappointed with any of those options. I just didn’t name everyone I would love to sign/trade for this winter. 

Edited November 24, 2023 by JHBulls

[chibears55]

Glasnow for Mervis and Thompson has been brewing via rumors

[ToolDRT]

3 minutes ago, chibears55 said:

Glasnow for Mervis and Thompson has been brewing via rumors

I accept. 

[Rcal10]

9 minutes ago, chibears55 said:

Glasnow for Mervis and Thompson has been brewing via rumors

 

Edited November 24, 2023 by Rcal10

[Jason Ross]

8 minutes ago, chibears55 said:

Glasnow for Mervis and Thompson has been brewing via rumors

Curious on the sourcing on this?

[Rcal10]

11 minutes ago, chibears55 said:

Glasnow for Mervis and Thompson has been brewing via rumors

If the Cubs have given up on Mervis this works for me. Have Glasnow for one year. If the Cubs sign Ohtani too, he ends up taking Glasnow’s spot in the rotation the following year. But they can’t let Glasnow’s salary stop them from adding in 24. 

[JD94]

4 minutes ago, 1908_Cubs said:

Curious on the sourcing on this?

I mean there’s this, but surely nobody believes this? It’s not real lol 

 

 

[Cuzi]

So, Mervis is going to go be a .270 hitter launching 35 bombs a year.

[Jason Ross]

1 minute ago, JD94 said:

I mean there’s this, but surely nobody believes this? It’s not real lol 

 

 

Exactly why I asked. Wanted to see if there was something legitimate out there or it was just this passing around. 

[JHBulls]

8 minutes ago, JD94 said:

I mean there’s this, but surely nobody believes this? It’s not real lol 

 

 

No, that wouldn’t be real.

[KCCub]

It’s Twitter troll season guys. If it sounds too good to be true, it’s probably not…

[Derwood]

What? You mean the GM of the team (who has an unverified account) isn't announcing his own trades?

[thawv]

2 hours ago, 1908_Cubs said:

Curious on the sourcing on this?

Fake twitter account

 

[Stratos]

5 hours ago, JHBulls said:

I just hope at the end of the offseason the Cubs FO aren’t patting themselves on the back that they “put the pressure on” in the Ohtani/Yamamoto/Soto trade market etc sweepstakes and end up with a bunch of Plan D signings. Now that would be disappointing. 

I can't see a bunch of Plan D scrubs if Bellinger and Stroman are off the payroll and need to be replaced.  Maybe Plan B guys. 

[Tryptamine]

I'm bored, and I think people are already aware of this, but this is why the baseball trade values site is almost entirely worthless.

 

 

[chibears55]

7 hours ago, JD94 said:

I mean there’s this, but surely nobody believes this? It’s not real lol 

 

 

Yea, I didn't see this one,  I read a couple tweets from posters talking about rumors, they probably were talking about this.

[chibears55]

4 hours ago, Stratos said:

I can't see a bunch of Plan D scrubs if Bellinger and Stroman are off the payroll and need to be replaced.  Maybe Plan B guys. 

Agree, I tend to see them saying oh shucks we tried for the big guys but they chose elsewhere, but instead of the usual mid to low level guys they seem to target the majority of times, I think this offseason we may see a couple of guys just below the Ohtani level of players.

I also think we'll see a couple of big trades for them too.

[Tryptamine]

1 hour ago, chibears55 said:

Agree, I tend to see them saying oh shucks we tried for the big guys but they chose elsewhere, but instead of the usual mid to low level guys they seem to target the majority of times, I think this offseason we may see a couple of guys just below the Ohtani level of players.

I also think we'll see a couple of big trades for them too.

They're going to have to make 2 pretty big moves just to get back to where they were last year filling in the holes of Stroman and Bellinger.