9/28 - Cubs (Stroman) vs Braves (Smith-Shawver): 6:20pm, Marquee

[s2obed]

2 minutes ago, We Got The Whole 9 said:

I don't feel like parsing it and maybe there's an easier way I am not aware of to accomplish it, but I'd be interested in seeing what the Brewers record has been in 1-run games since 2017.

I heard on a broadcast that Counsell has the best 1-run record as a manager in baseball. Don’t remember what it was though. 

Edited September 29, 2023 by s2obed

[squally1313]

2 minutes ago, We Got The Whole 9 said:

I don't feel like parsing it and maybe there's an easier way I am not aware of to accomplish it, but I'd be interested in seeing what the Brewers record has been in 1-run games since 2017.

• 2023: 28-18
• 2022: 28-23
• 2021: 21-15
• 2020: 11-5
• 2019: 27-18
• 2018: 33-19
• 2017: 25-22

Which is a preposterous run. I'm still Team Luck/Variance. But, in all honesty, started doing that figuring I would prove you wrong and was badly mistaken. 

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I see we're back to pretending that Craig Counsell has the magic touch and not elite bullpen arms.

Craig Counsell's 1 run winning percentage before Josh Hader's debut: .437

The Cubs 1 run winning percentage this year from Alzolay taking over as closer until his injury: .700

[We Got The Whole 9]

7 minutes ago, Transmogrified Tiger said:

I see we're back to pretending that Craig Counsell has the magic touch and not elite bullpen arms.

Craig Counsell's 1 run winning percentage before Josh Hader's debut: .437

The Cubs 1 run winning percentage this year with Alzolay as closer: .700

I think he does have his finger on the pulse better than most others. He seems to recognize the potential breaking point sooner and gets his guys out of there when he feels hitters are getting a bead on the starter. He doesn't manage as if he expects his starter to escape an inning; he cuts off the momentum with a sub. I think he manages his staff excellently. Yes he has had some incredible arms as well, but I give him a lot of credit for his button-pushing also. 

[UMFan83]

Damn this rain delay is wild.  Field is in terrible shape apparently and its going to rain heavily until Saturday.  No one seems to know for sure what the rule is...I believe people are under the impression that the score should revert to Mets 1 Marlins 0, but that the commish has the power to override that and force them to suspend the game and make it up monday if necessary.

[Irrelevant Dude]

6 minutes ago, UMFan83 said:

I believe people are under the impression that the score should revert to Mets 1 Marlins 0

That would be wild, but no way in hell that happens.

[Dfan25]

6 minutes ago, UMFan83 said:

Damn this rain delay is wild.  Field is in terrible shape apparently and its going to rain heavily until Saturday.  No one seems to know for sure what the rule is...I believe people are under the impression that the score should revert to Mets 1 Marlins 0, but that the commish has the power to override that and force them to suspend the game and make it up monday if necessary.

Per Jesse Rogers 

The game will continue on Monday 

[UMFan83]

4 minutes ago, Dfan25 said:

Per Jesse Rogers 

The game will continue on Monday 

Yeah I saw that....there are still a ton of people throwing up screen shots of the 2023 Rule Book and there is no specific rule in there that says the game should be suspended, but as we saw in the 08 World Series, the commish has the power to override for the good of the game which is exactly what would happen

[Irrelevant Dude]

So hypothetically, the Cubs sweep the Brewers, the Marlins win 2 of 3 against the Pirates, and then it all comes down to a 1 inning game where the Mets need to score at least 1 to tie and 2 to win.  But in that scenario, we survive until Monday! That's almost as good as making the playoffs, right???

[UMFan83]

7 minutes ago, Irrelevant Dude said:

So hypothetically, the Cubs sweep the Brewers, the Marlins win 2 of 3 against the Pirates, and then it all comes down to a 1 inning game where the Mets need to score at least 1 to tie and 2 to win.  But in that scenario, we survive until Monday! That's almost as good as making the playoffs, right???

Technically the Marlins are still batting with 2 on and 2 outs so they could hypothetically add on here. The Mets have done an ok job of being spoilers but I question their will at this point for a meaningless game after waiting for 3+ hours to resume. 
 

apparently tarp is coming off the field even though it’s still steadily raining and there are giant puddles around the field

[UMFan83]

This is wild, the Mets and Marlins are arguing on the field about whether to resume play.  One of the managers is screaming and pointing at the groundscrew while the Mets PA rep Nimmo is out there presumably arguing its unsafe to play on the lake that used to be Citi Field

Edited September 29, 2023 by UMFan83

[UMFan83]

 

[UMFan83]

WTF, Skip Schumaker (Marlins manager) is forcefully helping the grounds crew remove the tarp.  This is crazy

 

 

[Irrelevant Dude]

A little diamond dry will fix that right up.

[Stratos]

2 hours ago, s2obed said:

No matter what happens this year I’m excited to see a whole year of this new version of Seiya. 

The one that whiffs on routine flyballs?  Jk

[Stratos]

2 hours ago, Andy said:

Pretty much any scenario of the Cubs being decent next year includes Justin Steele being fantastic again and I don't know on what universe that can be counted on.

He'll be rehabbing TJS with Alzolay and Leiter.

[Irrelevant Dude]

 

[Irrelevant Dude]

What the horsefeathers is going on?

 

[UMFan83]

And it’s officially been suspended. At the very least the Cubs should fight to make the Marlins have to come back to NY on Monday 

[Irrelevant Dude]

I don't even remember the rules anymore. If the delay had started prior to the 9th would it still have been a suspended game, or would it's have been considered official at that point?

[soccer10k]

Seems pretty crazy that they didn't move the start time up an hour or two knowing some massive rain storm was coming. I know that's happened in the past, pretty sure with a Cubs game or two.

[UMFan83]

37 minutes ago, Irrelevant Dude said:

I don't even remember the rules anymore. If the delay had started prior to the 9th would it still have been a suspended game, or would it's have been considered official at that point?

It would have been considered official by the rule book. I still wonder if Manfred would have intervened in that situation, but the Marlins would have less of an argument in this circumstance. 
 

I didn’t watch the 9th but I read that rain was affecting the Mets pitchers. Sucks they didn’t just call it after 8 but that’s just the luck the Cubs have had this month 

Edited September 29, 2023 by UMFan83

[Cuzi]

3 hours ago, UMFan83 said:

Imagine what we could have gotten for Bellinger and Stroman!

im kidding but at the same time given how much of a gut punch this is, it makes me go back and wish we sold.  The decision was still obviously the right one though. We had a 4.5 game lead on September 7th. 

It was the first post I made on this forum.

The 2023 deadline was embarrassing. It was the perfect defining moment on the 2023 season that sums how completely clueless this FO is on how to reach their goal.

They aren't going to make long term commitments to players. So they turn around and sign Swanson to a 7 year deal. Then they follow that up by ignoring top of the market pitchers and going for a shorter deal with Taillon when we needed an ace, luckily for them Steele turned in a damn good season. They extended Happ and Hoerner for 3 years. Suzuki has 3 years remaining. We've got a 3 year plan with the majority of our roster. So we have Swanson on his 7 year deal but are half assing the first handful of years of it. Are we really trying to build a competitive roster or hope lightning strikes?

They hoped lightning was going to strike with Bellinger to flip him at the deadline and that's exactly what happened. But the team was close enough to maybe being the last playoff team that the FO decided they were going to ignore the purpose of giving him that 1 year deal on a bad team. Ok, so be serious about making a legitimate push while you have this player on this 1 year deal. Nah... lets trade for "the best bat available on the market" because we didn't make the "best bat available." Lets also trade Velazquez for whatever reliever we can instead of putting him in a package for something better.

Same goes for Stroman. Teams were giving up insane value for rental pitchers this year. Stroman was arguably the best one. Pass... He was also signed to a deal with the clear intent of flipping him down the line. Every other pitcher of his caliber was signing 5 year deals. He was the last available and got 2 with a player option and no NTC.

They threw out their gameplan because of a slight glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel. Even if it didn't end with a spot in the playoffs, they wanted to say "We tried."

Try harder...

[soccer10k]

3 hours ago, UMFan83 said:

Imagine what we could have gotten for Bellinger and Stroman!

im kidding but at the same time given how much of a gut punch this is, it makes me go back and wish we sold.  The decision was still obviously the right one though. We had a 4.5 game lead on September 7th. 

After that Giants sweep, we were 4 times more likely to win the Central (33.3%) as we were to miss the playoffs (7.6%).

If you use the season-to-date stats on Fangraphs, it's over 8x as likely (42.6% for the division vs. 4.9% to miss the playoffs).

[Brian707]

Them not calling it before the 9th is not bad luck for the Cubs. They only have themselves to blame for this horsefeathers show of a finish