Week 2 - Bears at Bucs noon on Fox

[Soul]

1 hour ago, Derwood said:

If someone told you that after Week 2 that the Bears and Bengals would have the same record, would you have taken it?

No.  Because we know 0-2 is just who the Bears are.  There’s reason to believe the Bengals can turn it around.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

It's gotta be hard to look your WR room in the eye while sending this guy out there to throw to them. Or not throw to them.

 

[CubinNY]

Get comfortable boys, this is going to be a horsefeathers show for three more months. And then the off-season and the season, and the off-season and season after that. Might be the worst GM hire since Matt Millen. Maybe worse when all is said and done. 

Edited September 17, 2023 by CubinNY

[minnesotacubsfan]

13 minutes ago, Proven Veteran said:

Maybe they have a radon leak in the building.

#radonisntreal

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Six first-round picks for the privilege of making Khalil Mack the biggest defensive cap hit in the league and two terrible QBs

[UMFan83]

I can't tell if Kyle is ecstatic that most people are now on the "Fields isn't it" bandwagon or disappointed that he can't be the contrarian anymore.  I'm sure you'll find something else to disagree with most of us about soon.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

10 minutes ago, UMFan83 said:

I can't tell if Kyle is ecstatic that most people are now on the "Fields isn't it" bandwagon or disappointed that he can't be the contrarian anymore.  I'm sure you'll find something else to disagree with most of us about soon.

Ecstatic is overstating it, but I'm definitely enjoying everyone coming around to the things I was called a complete idiot fucknut for pointing out last year. (Not that I'm not a C.I.F, I surely am).  But this is why I don't take it seriously when I post something and someone goes off about what a completely ridiculous take it is.  Sometimes I'm wrong, sometimes I'm right, but there doesn't seem to be any correlation with people freaking out over the takes and whether I'm right or wrong.

This place wasn't as bad as some other places on the internet about it. A few other posters definitely had Fields doubts.

Edited September 17, 2023 by Hairyducked Idiot

[Ding Dong Johnson]

33 minutes ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

It's gotta be hard to look your WR room in the eye while sending this guy out there to throw to them. Or not throw to them.

 

Didn’t watch the game or check his stats at all, but how tall are those 3 dudes in the line it would take to see that receiver and also not see a defender? I find it hard to blame him for this one on this angle alone. 

[Tryptamine]

Maybe the Giants are worse than the Bears?

 

[UMFan83]

10 minutes ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

Ecstatic is overstating it, but I'm definitely enjoying everyone coming around to the things I was called a complete idiot fucknut for pointing out last year. (Not that I'm not a C.I.F, I surely am).  But this is why I don't take it seriously when I post something and someone goes off about what a completely ridiculous take it is.  Sometimes I'm wrong, sometimes I'm right, but there doesn't seem to be any correlation with people freaking out over the takes and whether I'm right or wrong.

This place wasn't as bad as some other places on the internet about it. A few other posters definitely had Fields doubts.

I saw all those things too.  I believed there was enough talent there to at least improve a little on the timing issues and to use his legs to be a valuable QB with a better roster around him. 

Of course being a fan of Bears football all my life I have no idea how to truly evaluate QB play.  Obviously we see a lot of talented QBs play against us but its different when they are on your team and you are watching them play week to week

[Wilson A2000]

The only thing that can save Eberflus is a Bagent-is-Purdy type of scenario where you find a starter out of sheer luck

Edited September 17, 2023 by Wilson A2000

[CubinNY]

It’s not a  Fields issue. It’s a coaching issue. Very few QBs come into the league as a finished product. Fields is the same player he was when they drafted him. I have a hard time believing he’s not coachable and it not getting rumored out. 
 

 

[Outshined_One]

12 minutes ago, CubinNY said:

It’s not a  Fields issue. It’s a coaching issue. Very few QBs come into the league as a finished product. Fields is the same player he was when they drafted him. I have a hard time believing he’s not coachable and it not getting rumored out. 
 

 

My nightmare scenario involves the Bears unceremoniously parting ways with Fields, only for him to end up on a team that can actually get the most out of him.

I'm not saying he's a future MVP with the right coaches, but I feel like he could have a decent career.

[minnesotacubsfan]

20 minutes ago, CubinNY said:

It’s not a  Fields issue. It’s a coaching issue. Very few QBs come into the league as a finished product. Fields is the same player he was when they drafted him. I have a hard time believing he’s not coachable and it not getting rumored out. 
 

 

Fields is worse now than when he came into the league

[Wilson A2000]

6 minutes ago, Outshined_One said:

My nightmare scenario involves the Bears unceremoniously parting ways with Fields, only for him to end up on a team that can actually get the most out of him.

I'm not saying he's a future MVP with the right coaches, but I feel like he could have a decent career.

Is it really a coaching issue when your QB refuses to make quick decisions then misses guys middle and deep for no reason? I think that’s just QB instinct and Fields doesn’t have it and hasn’t improved on it at all in three seasons. 

[SpongeWorthy]

1 minute ago, Wilson A2000 said:

Is it really a coaching issue when your QB refuses to make quick decisions then misses guys middle and deep for no reason? I think that’s just QB instinct and Fields doesn’t have it and hasn’t improved on it at all in three seasons. 

well when the rest of the team sucks ass, including the coach's supposed speciality, i'm going to go with yes

[gflore34]

Am as down on Getsy as the rest of us but, I don't know how you can blame him for, despite scheming multiple receivers open, a QB who won't throw ball.  Getsy and the Bears staff didn't coach being unable to see open receivers into Fields, and, if he could, they would not be able to coach it out of him.  It's all on Fields, they're not brain surgeons, they cannot speed up or slow down his processing.

Edited September 17, 2023 by gflore34

[SpongeWorthy]

3 minutes ago, gflore34 said:

Am as down on Getsy as the rest of us but, I don't know how you can blame him for, despite scheming multiple receivers open, a QB who won't throw ball.  Getsy and the Bears staff didn't coach being unable to see open receivers into Fields, and, if he could, they would not be able to coach it out of him.  It's all on Fields, they're not brain surgeons, they cannot speed up or slow down his processing.

if this were true, then i'm not sure why any quarterback would get better at reading defenses under one coach than an another

[UK]

It's the trifecta of poor play calling, poor offensive line, and poor instincts from a QB when the line and play actually work to get someone open.

As desperate as I was for Pace to go, I'm almost there with Poles.

He's brought in 4 players in two years that I would say are league average or better right now and one of them is often injured (Brisker) while still having a btm 5 talent level.

[UMFan83]

Every QB in the NFC North has a QB rating over 109 so far this year except Fields who is at 70

[UMFan83]

37 minutes ago, Wilson A2000 said:

Is it really a coaching issue when your QB refuses to make quick decisions then misses guys middle and deep for no reason? I think that’s just QB instinct and Fields doesn’t have it and hasn’t improved on it at all in three seasons. 

Yeah I don't know how you fix processing speed.  Yes you can scheme to make it easier for him and/or put a team around him that can somewhat hide his flaws, but that part of his issues are largely on him.  If we're scheming wide open receivers and he's not pulling the trigger or pulling it too late, I'm not sure how that gets better.

[gflore34]

4 minutes ago, SpongeWorthy said:

if this were true, then i'm not sure why any quarterback would get better at reading defenses under one coach than an another

What they've done is put those players in a position to succeed, which is what any quality coach should do.

[Soul]

It’s probably a combo of things when it comes to QB, yeah.  I don’t have any confidence at all that Poles can identify a star QB, and zero confidence Eberflus can prep one for NFL success.

The only way this iteration of the Bears winds up with a good QB is in spite of a terrible organization.  He has to be so in charge of his own success that it just doesn’t matter that he has no one to help him.

[Bobson Dugnutt]

1 hour ago, Wilson A2000 said:

The only thing that can save Eberflus is a Bagent-is-Purdy type of scenario where you find a starter out of sheer luck

It really doesn’t matter. The 49ers had the benefit of a great roster and great coaching. Fields appears to be a pretty bad QB, but even if Bagent is somehow an improvement, you still have the issue of most of the rest of the roster being total dogshit and the coaching staff being a laughingstock.

[SpongeWorthy]

3 minutes ago, UMFan83 said:

Yeah I don't know how you fix processing speed.  Yes you can scheme to make it easier for him and/or put a team around him that can somewhat hide his flaws, but that part of his issues are largely on him.  If we're scheming wide open receivers and he's not pulling the trigger or pulling it too late, I'm not sure how that gets better.

no qb whose processing is hopelessly flawed is going to survive as a starter--but even if it were true that coaches can't help make processing/reading defenses better (i don't really believe that) there's no reason to absolve them of it especially when the rest of the team is crap