Week 2 - Bears at Bucs noon on Fox

[gflore34]

I'm not absolving Getsy of blame, he and the rest of the Bears staff is guilty of not recognizing this flaw and putting him in a position to succeed.

[Outshined_One]

4 minutes ago, SpongeWorthy said:

no qb whose processing is hopelessly flawed is going to survive as a starter--but even if it were true that coaches can't help make processing/reading defenses better (i don't really believe that) there's no reason to absolve them of it especially when the rest of the team is crap

 

They also should have known about this in the offseason and taken steps to do something about it then, whether it was trade him, take a QB at #1, and/or even bring in a more competent backup QB than Nathan effing Peterman.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I don't think the rest of the offense is *that* bad.  The line is below-average. The WR are pretty good and are getting open consistently (Fields actually has as many 200+ yards passing games as he did all of last season).  The RBs are pretty good.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I want what I've always wanted: An elite pocket passer. If you don't have one, nothing else matters, and if you do have one you're golden.

QBs bust at a high enough rate that you should almost never trade up to get one, but you should keep drafting them if you don't have one.  That's priority one. Priority two is supporting your QBs in every way possible. Pass-blocking offensive line, top-notch receivers.

Once you get distracted by trifles like "running the football" or "playing defense" you've already lost.

[gflore34]

8 minutes ago, Outshined_One said:

They also should have known about this in the offseason and taken steps to do something about it then, whether it was trade him, take a QB at #1, and/or even bring in a more competent backup QB than Nathan effing Peterman.

I really believe Poles was not sold on any of the QB's in last year' class, think that's why he was willing to roll the dice on Fields.  
2024 is a far superior QB class, with 2 first round picks one of which (the Bears) is almost surely going to be top 3, Poles will be in position to draft one.   

[Wilson A2000]

1 hour ago, SpongeWorthy said:

well when the rest of the team sucks ass, including the coach's supposed speciality, i'm going to go with yes

I’m not saying the coaches are good, only that I don’t see how any coach can help a guy time and time again see wide open receivers that he misses

[Derwood]

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I'd rather be 0-2 with Houston's success with Stroud (58-91, 626 YDS, 2 TD, 0 INT in two games) than with whatever this is

[UMFan83]

31 minutes ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

(Fields actually has as many 200+ yards passing games as he did all of last season).

He also has more pass attempts in Week 1 (37) and Week 2 (29) than he had in any game last season (28).  He's only getting more passing yards because they are passing more but his Y/A in Week 1 was way down and today was about on par with his average last year.

This comes at the expense of the running game which averaged 33 attempts per game last year vs 24 this year.

I know you weren't really defending him but the fact that he has 2 games with 200+ yards passing is a hollow achievement (and that's before you consider how unimpressive 200 passing yards in a game is in today's NFL)

Edited September 17, 2023 by UMFan83

[jersey cubs fan]

1 hour ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

I want what I've always wanted: An elite pocket passer. If you don't have one, nothing else matters, and if you do have one you're golden.

QBs bust at a high enough rate that you should almost never trade up to get one, but you should keep drafting them if you don't have one.  That's priority one. Priority two is supporting your QBs in every way possible. Pass-blocking offensive line, top-notch receivers.

Once you get distracted by trifles like "running the football" or "playing defense" you've already lost.

The eagles are a Super Bowl team. Other things matter 

[Hairyducked Idiot]

5 minutes ago, jersey cubs fan said:

The eagles are a Super Bowl team. Other things matter 

They lost that Super Bowl to an elite pocket passer. Let's see where they are in two years.

[UMFan83]

I know this would never happen but if the Bears end up with 1 and 2 overall they should take Caleb Williams AND Drake Maye.  horsefeathers it, double your chances of getting it right. 

[minnesotacubsfan]

3 minutes ago, UMFan83 said:

I know this would never happen but if the Bears end up with 1 and 2 overall they should take Caleb Williams AND Drake Maye.  horsefeathers it, double your chances of getting it right. 

Can one play LT or 3 tech?

[gflore34]

4 minutes ago, UMFan83 said:

I know this would never happen but if the Bears end up with 1 and 2 overall they should take Caleb Williams AND Drake Maye.  horsefeathers it, double your chances of getting it right. 

Thought about that as well, don't know if Carolina is going to be as bad for the Bears to be drafting #2 with their pick. Given what we have seen I'd say it's almost a forgone conclusion the Bears will be drafting number #1 and Poles will be hiring another HC.   

Edited September 18, 2023 by gflore34

[Bobson Dugnutt]

5 minutes ago, UMFan83 said:

I know this would never happen but if the Bears end up with 1 and 2 overall they should take Caleb Williams AND Drake Maye.  horsefeathers it, double your chances of getting it right. 

I didn’t know much about Maye so I did a quick search earlier this week and this was the first scouting report I read:

 

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Maye has to improve his willingness to check the ball quickly to his running backs as an outlet. He tends to get caught up with the hero ball by holding on to the ball and relying on his mobility to extend plays. Maye gets into trouble and brings pressure/sacks on himself at times. He would benefit from improving his pocket presence/feel to avoid rushers as the pocket collapses. Maye’s feet can be sloppy which leads to poor ball placement. He has throws that are low and at the feet of his target.

[Derwood]

10 minutes ago, UMFan83 said:

I know this would never happen but if the Bears end up with 1 and 2 overall they should take Caleb Williams AND Drake Maye.  horsefeathers it, double your chances of getting it right. 

Poles would "smartest man in the room" it and trade down for an overreach at RT and a weak side LB

[raw]

4 minutes ago, gflore34 said:

Thought about that as well, don't know if Carloina is going to be as bad for the Bears to be drafting #2 with their pick.
Given what we have seen I'd say it's almost a forgone conclusion the Bears will be drafting number #1 and Poles will be hiring
another HC.   

I see no reason why Poles should be able to pick another coach and QB, if Fields fails. I know he didn't draft Fields, but he picked him twice. Once when he decided on the Bears job over whatever else he was offered. And again when he decided to keep Fields over drafting a QB with the #1 pick. If Fields fails, it's at least in part because Poles himself threw away an entire year of his development by tanking and hired a defensive meatball coach, who hired all first time offensive coaches who don't know what they are doing.

[gflore34]

In all seriousness, what are the chances of this Bear team going 0 - 17?  As absurd as it sounds, its a very real possibility,
the defense is historically bad and the offense lacks a real NFL QB, that's an excellent recipe for losing.  Throw in an
inept coaching staff and you've got no chance.

[gflore34]

3 minutes ago, Derwood said:

Poles would "smartest man in the room" it and trade down for an overreach at RT and a DB

Corrected.

Edited September 18, 2023 by gflore34

[Bobson Dugnutt]

2 minutes ago, gflore34 said:

In all seriousness, what are the chances of this Bear team going 0 - 17?  As absurd as it sounds, its a very real possibility,
the defense is historically bad and the offense lacks a real NFL QB, that's an excellent recipe for losing.  Throw in an
inept coaching staff and you've got no chance.

It’s not impossible, but they play some other really bad teams this year. Carolina, Denver, Atlanta, Arizona, Las Vegas. Not a given, but there’s probably a win or two in there somewhere

[UMFan83]

5 minutes ago, gflore34 said:

In all seriousness, what are the chances of this Bear team going 0 - 17?  As absurd as it sounds, its a very real possibility,
the defense is historically bad and the offense lacks a real NFL QB, that's an excellent recipe for losing.  Throw in an
inept coaching staff and you've got no chance.

I think there is enough talent for the Bears to win a game and the coaching staff has no incentive to lose out. At the very least we’ll probably beat Arizona and it will cost us the first overall pick because Eberflus is coaching for his job and Arizona is purposely tanking

[gflore34]

9 minutes ago, raw said:

I see no reason why Poles should be able to pick another coach and QB, if Fields fails. I know he didn't draft Fields, but he picked him twice. Once when he decided on the Bears job over whatever else he was offered. And again when he decided to keep Fields over drafting a QB with the #1 pick. If Fields fails, it's at least in part because Poles himself threw away an entire year of his development by tanking and hired a defensive meatball coach, who hired all first time offensive coaches who don't know what they are doing.

But, then you'd have, once again, the McCaskey' trying to get it right with another GM hire.  They'll, of course, hire the wrong guy again, and again, and again, forever, as long as they own the Bears.

Edited September 18, 2023 by gflore34

[minnesotacubsfan]

5 minutes ago, raw said:

I see no reason why Poles should be able to pick another coach and QB, if Fields fails. I know he didn't draft Fields, but he picked him twice. Once when he decided on the Bears job over whatever else he was offered. And again when he decided to keep Fields over drafting a QB with the #1 pick. If Fields fails, it's at least in part because Poles himself threw away an entire year of his development by tanking and hired a defensive meatball coach, who hired all first time offensive coaches who don't know what they are doing.

I’m in total agreement. When poles was hired, the talk was “dream scenario” for new GM and HC coming into the team with a recent high pick QB. They fail if that QB fails. There shouldn’t be high reward, low risk here, it was always high risk high reward for Poles and Eberflus

and it’s stupid to suggest the FM and HC shoukd get another chance, this is the NFL, there are literally millions of people who would jump at tge oppertunity to be in their pisitions. Stop coddling them

[gflore34]

2 minutes ago, minnesotacubsfan said:

I’m in total agreement. When poles was hired, the talk was “dream scenario” for new GM and HC coming into the team with a recent high pick QB. They fail if that QB fails. There shouldn’t be high reward, low risk here, it was always high risk high reward for Poles and Eberflus

and it’s stupid to suggest the FM and HC shoukd get another chance, this is the NFL, there are literally millions of people who would jump at tge oppertunity to be in their pisitions. Stop coddling them

You're right but, you've got completely inept ownership doing the hiring an they, unfortunately, cannot be fired.  It'll be fun reading about they're "concern" and "anger" about how the games 1 and 2 have gone.

[raw]

6 minutes ago, gflore34 said:

But, then you'd have, once again, the McCaskey' trying to get it right with another GM hire.  They'll, of course, hire the wrong guy again, and again, and again, forever, as long as they own the Bears.

They have Kevin Warren now. He'd be doing the hire. Maybe he knows what he's doing, after all, he is a "football guy".

[minnesotacubsfan]

1 minute ago, raw said:

They have Kevin Warren now. He'd be doing the hire. Maybe he knows what he's doing, after all, he is a "football guy".

Who decided on the “hiring committee” last time? If it was McCascket, who’s to say Warren will get the decision this time? Would it be bad if he didn’t get it?