Ohtani to Dodgers for an ungodly amount of money

[Soul]

1 minute ago, The20thK said:

The problem is not that small market teams never compete, it’s that they can’t sustainably compete. 
 

Add tot his that teams like the Dodgers will continue to siphon off fans from those teams and eventually those teams won’t exist at all. 
 

is that what we want? 

Brewers sustainably compete.  Can’t get much smaller market than that.  I can tell you right now no Brewer fans are jumping to big market teams.  They all wear small market as a badge of honor.

 

tbh I’m glad the Cubs didn’t sign Ohtani.  I get that he would increase revenue a ton but I still think it’s too much money for one player.  Not having him isn’t going to prevent the Cubs from being competitive.

Let the Dodgers spend like maniacs.  They still haven’t won a real championship even with all the spending.

[JHBulls]

17 minutes ago, s2obed said:

Seager, Smith, Buehler, Urías (had a crappy 23 but was a stud in 21/22), Outman, Kenley Jansen.

They didn’t draft Turner or Muncy but as soon as they became Dodgers they took off.

Don’t forget they may have just turned our own J-Hey around… That’s a pretty extensive list imo.

How can you leave the best Dodger of them all out? Clayton Kershaw.

[UMFan83]

7 minutes ago, The20thK said:

The problem is not that small market teams never compete, it’s that they can’t sustainably compete. 
 

Add tot his that teams like the Dodgers will continue to siphon off fans from those teams and eventually those teams won’t exist at all. 
 

is that what we want? 

I’m not saying it’s not a problem just that it’s better than it was 20 years ago when the MLB was about to contract 2 teams to help competitive balance.  Still a long way to go when teams like the Royals and Pirates have basically sucked 80-90% of the time the last 2 decades. The Rays have been able to consistently compete but they are a glaring exception. 
 

Not sure what you mean about siphoning off fans though, baseball is still a very regional sport. People in Pittsburgh are generally not going to root for the Dodgers over the Pirates.  If the MLB was similar to the NBA where the superstar players are in many cases more popular than the teams they play for I’d agree more. 

[Transmogrified Tiger]

9 minutes ago, The20thK said:

The problem is not that small market teams never compete, it’s that they can’t sustainably compete. 
 

Add tot his that teams like the Dodgers will continue to siphon off fans from those teams and eventually those teams won’t exist at all. 
 

is that what we want? 

Over the last 5 years, the Rays, Brewers, Guardians, and Twins are all in the Top 8 for wins.  Spending big cuts down on your margin for error, and the motivation for some of the other changes is less than altruistic, but spending is less correlated to winning than it was prior to this CBA and the last one.

[We Got The Whole 9]

I just want to hear what our best offer was still and who came in 2nd? 

[UMFan83]

1 minute ago, We Got The Whole 9 said:

I just want to hear what our best offer was still and who came in 2nd? 

Jed's not going to leak anything just in case.

[Rcal10]

7 minutes ago, JHBulls said:

How can you leave the best Dodger of them all out? Clayton Kershaw.

He said last decade. When did Kershaw come up?

[imb]

baseball is really in trouble, the inequities get bigger and bigger each year and eventually the talent consolidation is going to be too much for the small markets to compete. the only way any of them manage to hang around presently is the insanely awful mlb pay structure where you get free players for half a decade before you have to trade them to the dodgers for their 84th best prospect

 

[JHBulls]

Just now, Rcal10 said:

He said last decade. When did Kershaw come up?

Drafted in 2006, MLB debut in 2008. Jansen was signed in 2004, MLB in 2010. I overlooked “last decade” when I saw Jansen on the list. 

[Banedon]

[ToolDRT]

Can we concede now that old Boob got one right and that’s why hoyer was testy?

 

[ILMindState]

8 minutes ago, ToolDRT said:

Can we concede now that old Boob got one right and that’s why hoyer was testy?

 

It was confirmed to be about Morel from the guy who reported it, Jesse Rogers

[Backtobanks]

44 minutes ago, UMFan83 said:

Jed's not going to leak anything just in case.

Jed's not talking because the fans would realize that they were duped into believing that the Cubs were really "in on Ohtani".

[Tryptamine]

20 minutes ago, ToolDRT said:

Can we concede now that old Boob got one right and that’s why hoyer was testy?

 

I'm not saying they should have paid 700M for Ohtani, but to not even make the final 3 is a really bad look. I hope people remember this when Soto is a FA next year. 

[soccer10k]

1 hour ago, Rob said:

Imagine a contract that paid $1M for ten years, and had a deferred balloon payment of $690M in the year 2060.

That $690M in 2060 is a lot less valuable than it would be now. Inflation being what it is, $275M now has roughly the same buying power as getting $690M in 2060. Getting the money upfront thus has a huge advantage for the player.

So when contracts with large deferrals are signed, the CBT looks at the "net present value" of the contract. Not what the buying power will be later, but what is equates to now.

Thanks. That makes sense. Seems like a bit of a loophole though to do a contract that way.

[KCCub]

 

[soccer10k]

3 minutes ago, KCCub said:

 

What a stupid rule. If you’re not going to allow teams to sign players until their 50 to massage the CBT, deferred money shouldn’t affect it either.

[UMFan83]

Looking at the Dodgers payroll, their top 3 players now make a combined $127m and each individually makes more than the Cubs highest paid player. 
 

but the crazy thing to me is that outside of those 3 players and Chris Taylor, they have no one else on the roster making over $10m. In contrast the Cubs have 7. Guessing the Dodgers will still add significant pieces this offseason though. 

[JHBulls]

Shohei Ohtani when he steps foot in Anaheim for the first crosstown series…

[Rcal10]

1 hour ago, Tryptamine said:

I'm not saying they should have paid 700M for Ohtani, but to not even make the final 3 is a really bad look. I hope people remember this when Soto is a FA next year. 

I don’t agree with this. They tried. So what if they finished 4th or 2nd? We don’t know the money. We don’t know the reasons. If SF finished 3rd that is still in California and still someplace he might be more comfortable playing. He might not like the media attention. Of the 4 Chicago has the most media around their team. I just don’t see this as suggesting the Cubs look bad in this. And, I have been on the other side against Jed and Ricketts in the past. This is just not a time I can criticize them. 

[Rcal10]

1 hour ago, JHBulls said:

Drafted in 2006, MLB debut in 2008. Jansen was signed in 2004, MLB in 2010. I overlooked “last decade” when I saw Jansen on the list. 

I guess I missed Jansen. I honestly asked the question because just off the top of my head thinking of their roster I didn’t come up with many home grown players who were regulars. 

[CubinNY]

4 hours ago, Cuzi said:

At least we can now put to rest the nonsense about the Cubs trying to emulate the Dodgers.

They trying to emulate the Dodgers, just not those Dodgers 

[morrisjon]

My first thought was wow I'm glad we didn't spend that much money. My second thought though is how do we expect to beat the Dodgers in the playoffs?

[Rcal10]

7 minutes ago, morrisjon said:

My first thought was wow I'm glad we didn't spend that much money. My second thought though is how do we expect to beat the Dodgers in the playoffs?

Just get a team good enough to get to the playoffs. Short series, even 7 games, anything can happen. Not worried about that, at all. Cross that bridge if/when we get to it. And happy to have to worry about it. 

[CubinNY]

Jed: But MLB the Show would not let me go above $35 million per year.

 

anyway, a lot of sour grapes in this thread as expected. The Dodgers were a great team, now they are greater? I don’t think so. 
 

also, anyone glad the Cubs didn’t sign him for what he signed for are saying that because they’ve been conditioned by the Ricketts past behavior. The Ricketts can well afford to pay that salary and then some. They bought the Cubs for $800M the Cubs are worth north of $4B, that is a 500% profit. 
 

baseball is an incredibly profitable business. Good on Ohtani.