2022-23 Offseason Thread (non-Cubs)

[Post Count Padder]

Arizona also getting Lourdes gurriel in the deal. Wild. They have a surplus of outfielders. I wonder if we could trade for Pavin Smith or Christian Walker.

[ChiCubsFan]

It’s wild and a little sad that I don’t know most of the names that have been mentioned in the last few posts. A decade ago I could probably list most of the top 10 prospects of every team.

[17 Seconds]

wouldn't varsho be a good outcome for PCA?

[Cubswin11]

wouldn't varsho be a good outcome for PCA?

As overall value yeah and most of the profile I think so, but I’d hope PCA can do better than Varsho’s .230/.300/.440 slash line. Would hope PCA could get more in that 265-.280/.325-.340/.420-450 range

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Tom I owe you an apology for giving you a hard time about Varsho's trade availability. It did take an MLB ready Top 10 overall prospect at a position of need, but I didn't think for a second he was getting dealt until the moment it was announced.

[mias_tisg]

[Tim]

hahahahahaha

 

Good luck with that.

[Derwood]

Pirates sign the corpse of Rich Hill

[We Got The Whole 9]

Eovaldi could end up with the same deal Bassitt got. He gets 2/34 that becomes 2/40 if he pitches 150+ innings in each of those years, and that would trigger a player option for 23m for 2025.

 

The freaking Braves are already extending Murphy to 6/73. He gets 4 this year, 9 next, and then 15 for the next 4. Braves hold an option for 15 in 2029.

[17 Seconds]

the braves extended sean murphy for pennies. i'm really annoyed we missed out on that.

[Post Count Padder]

What dark magic does the Braves front office employ in order to get players to sign these team friendly/reasonable contracts?

[CubinNY]

What dark magic does the Braves front office employ in order to get players to sign these team friendly/reasonable contracts?

Intelligence, foresight, imagination, creativity, and culture. Some things that Jed Hoyer and his team sorely lack.

[UMFan83]

What dark magic does the Braves front office employ in order to get players to sign these team friendly/reasonable contracts?

 

I don't know but its insane. I am assuming at least 1-2 of those contracts may turn out to be bad but they have so many locked up long term that they can afford to miss on a couple of them.

[Rex Buckingham]

What dark magic does the Braves front office employ in order to get players to sign these team friendly/reasonable contracts?

 

I don't know but its insane. I am assuming at least 1-2 of those contracts may turn out to be bad but they have so many locked up long term that they can afford to miss on a couple of them.

 

Even if they're bad, they're only "bad" on like a Bote level in that they're paid more than they're worth, but still not so much that it hinders them from doing anything else.

[Cubswin11]

The Braves must employ a cabal of people who have information to blackmail their players to sign these ridiculous deals. The Acuna and Albies contract especially are theft.

[CubinNY]

It's really not so much of a mystery:

 

- These guys (Acuna, Albies, Olson, Murphy) didn't even combine for $2 million in bonuses as amateurs. Albies and Acuna, mysterious foreigners from far off and savage lands, *combined* for less than $500K

 

- All Aging players are subject to Not That Good analysis come FA. Murphy wouldn't have hit FA until 2026 at 32. He's a catcher. Those two pieces of information are more or less all anyone would need to parrot throughout

 

The Cubs are in good position to take advantage once the farm actually starts producing stars. I've said it a million times but no one in the org has come close to Kris Bryant's amateur signing bonus 10 years ago and that was cheap then. Amateur bonuses have been artificially stagnated for decades. Teams have more control than ever of service time, playing time, development....Players play fewer games, fewer innings at every level of ball...It's The Future: Now as the MLB gains more and more control of the narrative (I still can't find Murphy's draft signing bonus, but as a 3rd round college draft pick - already Aging those NCAA guys - it couldn't be so much)...No different from how the best NFL players rarely change teams until their peak is obviously over...There's probably some commentary here about how the post-Boomer generations not born into wealth make and own less at the same ages despite being more Edumacated

 

Edit: Murphy signed for $753,100 out of college. Collectively they're maybe at $2.2 million as amateurs

I'm not sure I follow your logic here. What does the size of their signing bonus have to do with anything?

[jersey cubs fan]

It's really not so much of a mystery:

 

- These guys (Acuna, Albies, Olson, Murphy) didn't even combine for $2 million in bonuses as amateurs. Albies and Acuna, mysterious foreigners from far off and savage lands, *combined* for less than $500K

 

- All Aging players are subject to Not That Good analysis come FA. Murphy wouldn't have hit FA until 2026 at 32. He's a catcher. Those two pieces of information are more or less all anyone would need to parrot throughout

 

The Cubs are in good position to take advantage once the farm actually starts producing stars. I've said it a million times but no one in the org has come close to Kris Bryant's amateur signing bonus 10 years ago and that was cheap then. Amateur bonuses have been artificially stagnated for decades. Teams have more control than ever of service time, playing time, development....Players play fewer games, fewer innings at every level of ball...It's The Future: Now as the MLB gains more and more control of the narrative (I still can't find Murphy's draft signing bonus, but as a 3rd round college draft pick - already Aging those NCAA guys - it couldn't be so much)...No different from how the best NFL players rarely change teams until their peak is obviously over...There's probably some commentary here about how the post-Boomer generations not born into wealth make and own less at the same ages despite being more Edumacated

 

Edit: Murphy signed for $753,100 out of college. Collectively they're maybe at $2.2 million as amateurs

I'm not sure I follow your logic here. What does the size of their signing bonus have to do with anything?

Dudes who get $10m bonuses can buy a home in whatever shitty Texas/Florida suburb they grew up in and be set for life more or less, so less incentive to settle for security sake. Guys who get smaller bonuses burn through them and have motivation to accept smaller guarantees earlier.

[CubinNY]

It's really not so much of a mystery:

 

- These guys (Acuna, Albies, Olson, Murphy) didn't even combine for $2 million in bonuses as amateurs. Albies and Acuna, mysterious foreigners from far off and savage lands, *combined* for less than $500K

 

- All Aging players are subject to Not That Good analysis come FA. Murphy wouldn't have hit FA until 2026 at 32. He's a catcher. Those two pieces of information are more or less all anyone would need to parrot throughout

 

The Cubs are in good position to take advantage once the farm actually starts producing stars. I've said it a million times but no one in the org has come close to Kris Bryant's amateur signing bonus 10 years ago and that was cheap then. Amateur bonuses have been artificially stagnated for decades. Teams have more control than ever of service time, playing time, development....Players play fewer games, fewer innings at every level of ball...It's The Future: Now as the MLB gains more and more control of the narrative (I still can't find Murphy's draft signing bonus, but as a 3rd round college draft pick - already Aging those NCAA guys - it couldn't be so much)...No different from how the best NFL players rarely change teams until their peak is obviously over...There's probably some commentary here about how the post-Boomer generations not born into wealth make and own less at the same ages despite being more Edumacated

 

Edit: Murphy signed for $753,100 out of college. Collectively they're maybe at $2.2 million as amateurs

I'm not sure I follow your logic here. What does the size of their signing bonus have to do with anything?

Dudes who get $10m bonuses can buy a home in whatever horsefeathers Texas/Florida suburb they grew up in and be set for life more or less, so less incentive to settle for security sake. Guys who get smaller bonuses burn through them and have motivation to accept smaller guarantees earlier.

 

That makes a little more sense, but I still don’t buy it.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Looks like the Devers dream is dead

 

[17 Seconds]

jed & co are relieved that they won't have to pretend to be interested in signing him. 2-3 win defensive players or bust Edited January 4, 2023 by 17 Seconds

[soccer10k]

That’s too bad.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

[Post Count Padder]

The Phillies traded three backups for an all star closer. Sounds like a video game trade where you disable the computer rejecting it.

[Have a seat, Neifi]

Brandon Belt to Toronto. 1 year $9.3 million.

[apete6]

Brandon Belt to Toronto. 1 year $9.3 million.

 

Yeah, I'll take Hosmer for $720K instead. Go sign Mancini for $8.5M and get both sides of the platoon for the price of 1.