Chicago Bears Offseason Thread (the tank must payoff)

[jersey cubs fan]

Elite NFL players are not a luxury, they are a necessity if you are interested in winning football games

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Elite NFL players are not a luxury, they are a necessity if you are interested in winning football games

 

They're a lot more impactful at helping you win football games when you get them at high-impact positions.

[David]

what are we really arguing about here?

 

i'll take an elite player anywhere. i guess the real point of contention is defining what elite means. but if adrian peterson or like marshall faulk or something were in this draft, i'd gladly take them *almost* regardless of surrounding circumstances.

 

otherwise, yeah, just plug whatever dude in and get 70-80% of the impact at a much lower price (whether it's draft currency, money, whatever).

[WrigleyField 22]

Trying to be smart about replacement value is smart of course. But I have a Keryth White, Trestman Ebner, etc every time someon wants to act like every day 3 RB is gonna be plug and play.

 

At the very least Poles looks like he's gonna prioritize lots of swings on those day 3 picks so it's a somewhat more valid approach, but I think a lot of fans aren't prepared for the ruthless sunk cost approach that also requires. You're just multiplying the denominator enough to offset a much lower gross hit rate.

[Soul]

To me with RBs, the ability to do more than one thing well is pretty important. Run/block/catch. There's a lot of additional critical value a RB can provide than just handing off and finding holes to run through. If we can get that multi-faceted RB later in the draft fine, but I think it's a mistake to only focus on running the ball well. It's important of course, but the flexibility to be the extra blocker protecting Fields from a blitz, or being the outlet receiver who can also occasionally run a deeper route? Also very important. RBs aren't just RBs.

[UMFan83]

To me with RBs, the ability to do more than one thing well is pretty important. Run/block/catch. There's a lot of additional critical value a RB can provide than just handing off and finding holes to run through. If we can get that multi-faceted RB later in the draft fine, but I think it's a mistake to only focus on running the ball well. It's important of course, but the flexibility to be the extra blocker protecting Fields from a blitz, or being the outlet receiver who can also occasionally run a deeper route? Also very important. RBs aren't just RBs.

 

Agreed. While teams can definitely get by without investing a ton in the RB room, an elite RB who can read the defense, pass block, catch passes, make the right cuts more often than not can make a big impact. Herbert had 5.7 YPC but hasn't done so with a big workload. In fact I believe he left the 2 games he actually started with injuries. The Bears clearly don't trust him to pass block and had to have Ebner in there when Montgomery was out. In those cases, when Ebner is on the field the defense has one less weapon to account for.

 

But if you don't have an elite RB, investing in the offensive line can definitely bridge the gap as we seen with other teams that recycle RBs frequently but are successful.

[David]

trestman ebner lol

[minnesotacubsfan]

To me with RBs, the ability to do more than one thing well is pretty important. Run/block/catch. There's a lot of additional critical value a RB can provide than just handing off and finding holes to run through. If we can get that multi-faceted RB later in the draft fine, but I think it's a mistake to only focus on running the ball well. It's important of course, but the flexibility to be the extra blocker protecting Fields from a blitz, or being the outlet receiver who can also occasionally run a deeper route? Also very important. RBs aren't just RBs.

This is why I'm not sold on Herbert. He can run, but he can't block and I think the jury is still out on his receiving abilities

[WrigleyField 22]

trestman ebner lol

I will not learn to spell check!

[David]

some twitter smoke that we might be getting close to signing darius slay

 

that's a hell of a secondary/back 7 if they add him too. maybe it makes some sense now that coverage is at more of a premium because of how difficult it is to generate a pass rush against the quicker passing stuff.

 

still can't have the DL composed of scrubs, though.

[WrigleyField 22]

You may have heard of zero RB in fantasy football, but have you heard of zero DL in real football? Hot new trend.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

You may have heard of zero RB in fantasy football, but have you heard of zero DL in real football? Hot new trend.

 

I really suspect we're going to go DL with the 9th pick and I will be a floor boner about it.

[UMFan83]

How about James Robinson as a 1B to Herbert? I think he could be had for real cheap, has put up good YPC numbers and good PFF rushing grades with some bad Jaguars teams (he was PFF's number 1 graded rusher in 2021). Had a terrible 4 games with the Jets admittedly but just a small sample and think he was coming off an injury. He catches passes, runs tough and has greatly improved as a pass blocker since his rookie year.

 

I'm almost certain the Bears are going to draft an RB in the middle rounds as we discussed, but I think I'd like the Bears running game going into the season a lot more with a James Robinson on the roster.

[UMFan83]

You may have heard of zero RB in fantasy football, but have you heard of zero DL in real football? Hot new trend.

 

I really suspect we're going to go DL with the 9th pick and I will be a floor boner about it.

 

My best guess is that they will go Edge if Wilson or Murphy are available. If they aren't they trade down a few slots (would be very helpful if Levis is still around) and take one of the tackles.

[UMFan83]

Oh also the Cowboys are releasing Zeke which is interesting. I doubt we'd want him though...hasnt been elite for a few years and his name will drive up the cost.

[CubinNY]

Oh also the Cowboys are releasing Zeke which is interesting. I doubt we'd want him though...hasnt been elite for a few years and his name will drive up the cost.

He's as likely to retire and get a gig on TV as he is to sign another NLF contract. He's toast.

[minnesotacubsfan]

You may have heard of zero RB in fantasy football, but have you heard of zero DL in real football? Hot new trend.

 

I really suspect we're going to go DL with the 9th pick and I will be a floor boner about it.

 

My best guess is that they will go Edge if Wilson or Murphy are available. If they aren't they trade down a few slots (would be very helpful if Levis is still around) and take one of the tackles.

If Carter is at 9, I'd take him. DE is deep and you could prolly get some value in rd 2

 

But poles very clearly is making his own path so who knows

[UMFan83]

Minor news here which likely isn't a surprise

 

[David]

If Carter is at 9, I'd take him.

 

i probably would too, but word is he tanked his pro day today BADLY. looked really out of shape.

[bukie]

I think if the plan is to draft OL top pick no matter what, then trade down again into the teens, add another pick or two, and still get their pick of OL candidates.

[UMFan83]

If Carter is at 9, I'd take him.

 

i probably would too, but word is he tanked his pro day today BADLY. looked really out of shape.

 

I keep reading about how he's an absolute monster some games and invisible other games, seems to have motivation issues. I have a feeling with today's news he is going to drop to mid-1st. Could be wrong but there are a lot of red flags surrounding him.

 

 

Edited March 15, 2023 by UMFan83

[minnesotacubsfan]

If Carter is at 9, I'd take him.

 

i probably would too, but word is he tanked his pro day today BADLY. looked really out of shape.

Really? Damn

[Tim]

At this point, I'm really hoping one of Levis and Richardson make it to 9. With Carter bombing his pro day, there's nobody at that point in the draft that has clear separation from the guys at 15 to me. I'd love to trade down again and pick up another second rounder.

[CubinNY]

If Carter is at 9, I'd take him.

 

i probably would too, but word is he tanked his pro day today BADLY. looked really out of shape.

 

I keep reading about how he's an absolute monster some games and invisible other games, seems to have motivation issues. I have a feeling with today's news he is going to drop to mid-1st. Could be wrong but there are a lot of red flags surrounding him.

 

 

I can only imagine the millions he's losing

[David]

If Carter is at 9, I'd take him.

 

i probably would too, but word is he tanked his pro day today BADLY. looked really out of shape.

 

I keep reading about how he's an absolute monster some games and invisible other games, seems to have motivation issues. I have a feeling with today's news he is going to drop to mid-1st. Could be wrong but there are a lot of red flags surrounding him.

 

 

 

this is like if jamarcus russell had had his whole career before the draft