Are we getting Black Monday II? No, but we got a Black QB!!!

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Yeah maybe by blind luck he might get the right guy but I don’t at all trust he will get the right guy

Well then 2023 is a top 5 pick for the next guy to get the right QB too lol

Not of Pace trades it away for Mac Jones

Wait he's reading 2 future picks to trade up?!?!

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Were like 36 hours into the official league period though. They had a chance to be active in the CB market.

 

Maybe there was some massive failure on Paces part to plan accordingly, but if you're cutting Fuller you're not replacing him with a top CB. And perusing the FA tracker lists, seems there's still quite a bit out there.

 

I didn't say anything about a "top CB". And obviously now with 11M they can sign a starter or maybe even 2 at another position of need, which then allows them to go CB early in the draft again. But they obviously need a "starting caliber" CB. You don't cut a starting caliber player without adding another starting caliber player. Like I said, sure they can get a guy or two still, but they aren't likely to get them at the most needed positions.

 

The Bears 36 hours ago had HUGE needs at QB and tackle. The only other starter they lost was at SS. They signed players at all 3 of those positions, but still have holes there. Cutting Fuller creates another hole at CB. They obviously aren't going to use the space on another QB. If they are going to use it on a tackle, then makes more sense to cut Leno, since they already re-signed Ifedi to presumably start at RT. They already signed 2 DL, so they could have cut Hicks (which they still may do) which saves just as much as cutting Fuller.

 

I just don't know why at this point we aren't assuming there was a massive failure to plan accordingly with Pace.

I guess I don't know why him being released now is an indication of a failure to plan. I'm still failing to follow what the lost opportunity cost is of not acting a week ago or even 3 days ago.

 

I mean it's not just this one move. This all feels like a fire drill to me. It certainly feels like Pace wasn't prepared for a world where he didn't have Russell Wilson on his roster.

 

I'm guessing Fuller was involved in the trade, which then it would make sense why he wasn't cut 3 days ago or whatever.

 

I don't know what Pace is doing or even trying to do. But right now it feels like it was Wilson or rebuild. Opportunity cost of not cutting Fuller sooner may be not needing to push money from Jackson, Whitehair or Mack down the line. Those restructures look bad if they are starting a rebuild, as all will be committed to the team an extra year now with restructuring.

 

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Well at this point, they just about need all those restructures and the Fuller cut to fit what they've done. It's possible they thought ARob would be locked up with a lower hit? If so that would have been foolish.

 

Yea they may have been buying time for Fuller for something. Kind of comes back to the idea they don't need to move on from space any earlier than they need to. There's plenty of "pay as you go" options.

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Also the cost of those restructures in cap terms is effectively zero. I'd argue you should always use those up first. Worst case if you somehow don't need them because you make other cap saving moves you just don't spend the cap space, roll it forward, and you're at a net zero place (albeit in a very round about way). So it's a zero opportunity cost move whereas a trade or cut has an actual opportunity cost component.

[Bertz]

I'm more than happy to bag on Pace, but I don't think he has any magic QB blindspot in the draft. Drafting QBs is incredibly hard, and I tend to think mostly dumb luck. The numbers say that even in the top half of the first guys have something like a 50% chance of being a bust and a 25% chance of being merely solid. So that leaves a one in four shot of getting a *good* QB, even amongst the primo prospects.

 

Pace's problem is the reckless misuse of resources. So it's going to hurt more than it ought to to move up for the guy (because we don't have any extra picks lying around), and if we do hit on him the cast around him sucks and there's limited resources to do the whole deal where you push your chips in on your QBs rookie deal.

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I'm more than happy to bag on Pace, but I don't think he has any magic QB blindspot in the draft. Drafting QBs is incredibly hard, and I tend to think mostly dumb luck. The numbers say that even in the top half of the first guys have something like a 50% chance of being a bust and a 25% chance of being merely solid. So that leaves a one in four shot of getting a *good* QB, even amongst the primo prospects.

100% agreed.

[jersey cubs fan]

Sounds like George brought down the hammer

 

[UMFan83]

I'm more than happy to bag on Pace, but I don't think he has any magic QB blindspot in the draft. Drafting QBs is incredibly hard, and I tend to think mostly dumb luck. The numbers say that even in the top half of the first guys have something like a 50% chance of being a bust and a 25% chance of being merely solid. So that leaves a one in four shot of getting a *good* QB, even amongst the primo prospects.

 

Pace's problem is the reckless misuse of resources. So it's going to hurt more than it ought to to move up for the guy (because we don't have any extra picks lying around), and if we do hit on him the cast around him sucks and there's limited resources to do the whole deal where you push your chips in on your QBs rookie deal.

 

Yes in the draft but the 4 QBs he’s brought in with the intention to at least compete to start are Glennon, Trubisky, Foles and Dalton. I can’t remember who else was available when Glennon signed but I remember thinking it was odd that he zeroed in on Glennon almost immediately with other options available. He seems to have a blind eye towards scouting QBs.

[d_money]

I'm more than happy to bag on Pace, but I don't think he has any magic QB blindspot in the draft. Drafting QBs is incredibly hard, and I tend to think mostly dumb luck. The numbers say that even in the top half of the first guys have something like a 50% chance of being a bust and a 25% chance of being merely solid. So that leaves a one in four shot of getting a *good* QB, even amongst the primo prospects.

 

Pace's problem is the reckless misuse of resources. So it's going to hurt more than it ought to to move up for the guy (because we don't have any extra picks lying around), and if we do hit on him the cast around him sucks and there's limited resources to do the whole deal where you push your chips in on your QBs rookie deal.

I’d even say less than 25% end up being good, and as we know far, far less become franchise level.

[BigbadB]

I was reading that there might still be a chance that Fuller can be traded. The article I was reading implied someone like Fangio could come calling with a 4th or 5th round pick to get Fuller. Not sure if that is true, but it would be nice to get a draft pick out of this somehow.

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I was reading that there might still be a chance that Fuller can be traded. The article I was reading implied someone like Fangio could come calling with a 4th or 5th round pick to get Fuller. Not sure if that is true, but it would be nice to get a draft pick out of this somehow.

Yea Rapaport threw it out I think. Of Shefter. One of them. I guess that occassionally happens though they coined it "almost nothing" as the return.

 

But I guess if it kept him out of the NFC and the North specifically, it's worth it. Do it for like a 5th to 4th pick swap.

[raw]

I was reading that there might still be a chance that Fuller can be traded. The article I was reading implied someone like Fangio could come calling with a 4th or 5th round pick to get Fuller. Not sure if that is true, but it would be nice to get a draft pick out of this somehow.

Yea Rapaport threw it out I think. Of Shefter. One of them. I guess that occassionally happens though they coined it "almost nothing" as the return.

 

But I guess if it kept him out of the NFC and the North specifically, it's worth it. Do it for like a 5th to 4th pick swap.

 

It happened 2 days ago for Rodney Hudson of the Raiders. The team that got him gave up a 2nd or 3rd, IIRC.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Well then 2023 is a top 5 pick for the next guy to get the right QB too lol

Not of Pace trades it away for Mac Jones

Wait he's reading 2 future picks to trade up?!?!

 

at this point, I can't underestimate Pace nor deprive him of the worst possible choice

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I was reading that there might still be a chance that Fuller can be traded. The article I was reading implied someone like Fangio could come calling with a 4th or 5th round pick to get Fuller. Not sure if that is true, but it would be nice to get a draft pick out of this somehow.

Yea Rapaport threw it out I think. Of Shefter. One of them. I guess that occassionally happens though they coined it "almost nothing" as the return.

 

But I guess if it kept him out of the NFC and the North specifically, it's worth it. Do it for like a 5th to 4th pick swap.

 

It happened 2 days ago for Rodney Hudson of the Raiders. The team that got him gave up a 2nd or 3rd, IIRC.

Okay I would have considered Fuller for a 2nd anyways. If they pulled that off, I'm good with that move.

[jersey cubs fan]

 

I love random tweets from players on the market, or reportedly on the market. It's always a good time.

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I love random tweets from players on the market, or reportedly on the market. It's always a good time.

Cryptic tweets ftw.

 

If I was an athlete I would kind of love just messing with fans.

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He posted at 11:11, but that was Eastern time. Hicks is going to an EST team.

[Bertz]

 

I love random tweets from players on the market, or reportedly on the market. It's always a good time.

Cryptic tweets ftw.

 

If I was an athlete I would kind of love just messing with fans.

 

Willson Contreras has admitted he horsefeathering loves doing this

[CaliforniaRaisin]

I was reading that there might still be a chance that Fuller can be traded. The article I was reading implied someone like Fangio could come calling with a 4th or 5th round pick to get Fuller. Not sure if that is true, but it would be nice to get a draft pick out of this somehow.

 

Sounds like there's a 3 pm deadline for a trade (not sure if ET or CT).

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Per Biggs, the Bears want to add Golladay in addition to ARob. Not as a replacement. So maybe still in play. Reportedly a 1 year deal around 11-12.

 

Biggs has been really reliable this offseason especially.

 

We'll see what the Giants are offering. But at least maybe there's a logical plan happening with some of these cuts and signings (reinvesting from the D to the O)

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In other Bears topics, DeFillipo was at Davis Mills (QB, Stanford) Pro Day. He was a day 3 prospect by most to start the offseason, but seems hes rising quick, potentially a day 2 pick now. Maybe a name to watch if they don't trade up or pick a QB at 20.

 

https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bears/bears-scout-stanford-qb-davis-mills-pro-day-andy-dalton-introduced?amp&__twitter_impression=true

[gflore34]

Per Biggs, the Bears want to add Golladay in addition to ARob. Not as a replacement. So maybe still in play. Reportedly a 1 year deal around 11-12.

 

Biggs has been really reliable this offseason especially.

 

We'll see what the Giants are offering. But at least maybe there's a logical plan happening with some of these cuts and signings (reinvesting from the D to the O)

 

I'm on board with that, offense is the key in today' NFL, the game, the rules favor offense.

[gflore34]

In other Bears topics, DeFillipo was at Davis Mills (QB, Stanford) Pro Day. He was a day 3 prospect by most to start the offseason, but seems hes rising quick, potentially a day 2 pick now. Maybe a name to watch if they don't trade up or pick a QB at 20.

 

https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bears/bears-scout-stanford-qb-davis-mills-pro-day-andy-dalton-introduced?amp&__twitter_impression=true

 

I could be on board with retaining the picks, go OL with the first rounder and looking at a QB pick on day 2 - Mills or Trask - just please, no Mond. Mond scouting reports suggest he' a Trubisky clone.

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In other Bears topics, DeFillipo was at Davis Mills (QB, Stanford) Pro Day. He was a day 3 prospect by most to start the offseason, but seems hes rising quick, potentially a day 2 pick now. Maybe a name to watch if they don't trade up or pick a QB at 20.

 

https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bears/bears-scout-stanford-qb-davis-mills-pro-day-andy-dalton-introduced?amp&__twitter_impression=true

 

I could be on board with retaining the picks, go OL with the first rounder and looking at a QB pick on day 2 - Mills or Trask - just please, no Mond. Mond scouting reports suggest he' a Trubisky clone.

I like Mond from what I've read. Maybe he's got some Trubisky-ness to him, but there were actually reasons to LIKE Trubiksy. It just didn't work out and obviously not as a number 2 pick. In rd 3... Totally different calculus.

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