Are we getting Black Monday II? No, but we got a Black QB!!!

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LOL. Robinson signed the tag so it doesn't get rescinded since the Bears are looking at Kenny Golladay. Smart move TBH, with the way the WR FA market has gone so far.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

 

So Arob is happy about Dalton?

 

Probably more related to the WR market.

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They are but this team has too many other holes and too little cap space to easily replace him. And there were more obvious cuts (Graham, Hicks).

Exactly. Cutting Fuller, in and of itself, isn't terrible. Cutting Fuller, and paying him 9M in dead cap space, so you can fit Andy Dalton and Germain Ifedi under the cap isn't great......especially when adding Foles and Quinn is a big part of the reason Allen Robinson isn't signed long-term.

The dead space should never be a consideration IMO.

 

No, probably not but it still should be weighed against cap savings.

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Exactly. Cutting Fuller, in and of itself, isn't terrible. Cutting Fuller, and paying him 9M in dead cap space, so you can fit Andy Dalton and Germain Ifedi under the cap isn't great......especially when adding Foles and Quinn is a big part of the reason Allen Robinson isn't signed long-term.

The dead space should never be a consideration IMO.

 

No, probably not but it still should be weighed against cap savings.

The dead cap doesn't factor into savings. It's just an issue of timing. The savings is the base salary ($13M)

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The dead space should never be a consideration IMO.

 

No, probably not but it still should be weighed against cap savings.

The dead cap doesn't factor into savings. It's just an issue of timing. The savings is the base salary ($13M)

 

Yeah, I know how it works. I guess my issue is eating 9M to save 11M. I mean, I guess it's better than eating the entire 20M. But if you get a starting caliber CB, you're going to spend 8-10M on one.....so still allocating 19-20Mil of the cap on the CB1.

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No, probably not but it still should be weighed against cap savings.

The dead cap doesn't factor into savings. It's just an issue of timing. The savings is the base salary ($13M)

 

Yeah, I know how it works. I guess my issue is eating 9M to save 11M. I mean, I guess it's better than eating the entire 20M. But if you get a starting caliber CB, you're going to spend 8-10M on one.....so still allocating 19-20Mil of the cap on the CB1.

Well yea. You basically are measuring against the 13m (actually 14 with bonuses). If you like whatever you can sign at x over Fuller at 14, then that's the decision. I don't know what "whatever at x" is. But Fuller at 14 seems like a decent enough value. If overpaid, not much.

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It's just a pet peeve of mine. Dead hits don't save or cost anything. They're sunk costs. And I'm on a quixotic mission to dispel the myth.

 

The cap isn't a myth, but dead hits framed as savings/cost is.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Dammit I came here to sarcastically ask if the cap was still a myth but it looks out of place after the last post

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Dammit I came here to sarcastically ask if the cap was still a myth but it looks out of place after the last post

I'm here to spoil your day.

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Another issue I have with the Fuller cut is again, the timing. You had all off-season to work this out, if he wouldn't take a paycut, couldve cut him a week ago. Also doesn't help that I wanted Troy Hill from LA RAMS who signed today for 4/24 with the Browns.

 

Also, I really don't like Jaylon Johnson's shoulder. Seems like a chronic issue and I can see him missing time again thru his rookie contract.

 

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But also they had like at least a half dozen other ways to clear cap. They decided Fuller wasn't worth 14M.

 

So the cap is a myth, yes.

[WrigleyField 22]

Another issue I have with the Fuller cut is again, the timing. You had all off-season to work this out, if he wouldn't take a paycut, couldve cut him a week ago. Also doesn't help that I wanted Troy Hill from LA RAMS who signed today for 4/24 with the Browns.

 

Also, I really don't like Jaylon Johnson's shoulder. Seems like a chronic issue and I can see him missing time again thru his rookie contract.

 

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What does cutting Fuller a week ago do?

 

Really the only question is when the workout bonus was due. That's your effective deadline to make a decision and not sink 500k. To me you do everything you can to wait until that deadline.

 

Okay maybe there are some "good faith" considerations about not ducking guys around, but it's a little odd they are letting Hicks seek a trade and just cutting Fuller. I don't get that.

[Wilson A2000]

This is on ownership. The McCaskeys have been at the helm of a losing team for decades. How they didn’t fire Pace and Nagy is beyond me. Until they sell the team, the Bears will suck.

[jersey cubs fan]

This is on ownership. The McCaskeys have been at the helm of a losing team for decades. How they didn’t fire Pace and Nagy is beyond me. Until they sell the team, the Bears will suck.

The Bears = The Cowboys past ~25 years

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This is on ownership. The McCaskeys have been at the helm of a losing team for decades. How they didn’t fire Pace and Nagy is beyond me. Until they sell the team, the Bears will suck.

The Bears = The Cowboys past ~25 years

Yea but Jerry Jones sucks too. He's just also independently wealthy and can finance a big multi billion dollar playground.

 

Advantage cowboys?

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Another issue I have with the Fuller cut is again, the timing. You had all off-season to work this out, if he wouldn't take a paycut, couldve cut him a week ago. Also doesn't help that I wanted Troy Hill from LA RAMS who signed today for 4/24 with the Browns.

 

Also, I really don't like Jaylon Johnson's shoulder. Seems like a chronic issue and I can see him missing time again thru his rookie contract.

 

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What does cutting Fuller a week ago do?

 

Really the only question is when the workout bonus was due. That's your effective deadline to make a decision and not sink 500k. To me you do everything you can to wait until that deadline.

 

Okay maybe there are some "good faith" considerations about not ducking guys around, but it's a little odd they are letting Hicks seek a trade and just cutting Fuller. I don't get that.

Cutting him a week ago gives you a shot at the FA CB market. They've signed 2 DL to replace Hicks cheaply. They probably can't truly replace Fuller's production on the cheap unless it's thru the draft, but they still are at a spot where they need to take OT and QB early. Spending another early pick on defense seems counterproductive for a team that's trying to balance offensive and defensive assets/costs, when there aren't any fewer holes on offense than there was last season.

 

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Another issue I have with the Fuller cut is again, the timing. You had all off-season to work this out, if he wouldn't take a paycut, couldve cut him a week ago. Also doesn't help that I wanted Troy Hill from LA RAMS who signed today for 4/24 with the Browns.

 

Also, I really don't like Jaylon Johnson's shoulder. Seems like a chronic issue and I can see him missing time again thru his rookie contract.

 

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What does cutting Fuller a week ago do?

 

Really the only question is when the workout bonus was due. That's your effective deadline to make a decision and not sink 500k. To me you do everything you can to wait until that deadline.

 

Okay maybe there are some "good faith" considerations about not ducking guys around, but it's a little odd they are letting Hicks seek a trade and just cutting Fuller. I don't get that.

Cutting him a week ago gives you a shot at the FA CB market. They've signed 2 DL to replace Hicks cheaply. They probably can't truly replace Fuller's production on the cheap unless it's thru the draft, but they still are at a spot where they need to take OT and QB early. Spending another early pick on defense seems counterproductive for a team that's trying to balance offensive and defensive assets/costs, when there aren't any fewer holes on offense than there was last season.

 

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Were like 36 hours into the official league period though. They had a chance to be active in the CB market.

 

Maybe there was some massive failure on Paces part to plan accordingly, but if you're cutting Fuller you're not replacing him with a top CB. And perusing the FA tracker lists, seems there's still quite a bit out there.

[UMFan83]

Now Pace will trade a 2022 1st to move up and take a QB, and that pick will be top 5

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You know on some level it's a business and if it's cut or renegotiate Pace ought to try. But then I have to ask... Is he approaching anyone else for a paycut? Leno for instance?

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What does cutting Fuller a week ago do?

 

Really the only question is when the workout bonus was due. That's your effective deadline to make a decision and not sink 500k. To me you do everything you can to wait until that deadline.

 

Okay maybe there are some "good faith" considerations about not ducking guys around, but it's a little odd they are letting Hicks seek a trade and just cutting Fuller. I don't get that.

Cutting him a week ago gives you a shot at the FA CB market. They've signed 2 DL to replace Hicks cheaply. They probably can't truly replace Fuller's production on the cheap unless it's thru the draft, but they still are at a spot where they need to take OT and QB early. Spending another early pick on defense seems counterproductive for a team that's trying to balance offensive and defensive assets/costs, when there aren't any fewer holes on offense than there was last season.

 

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Were like 36 hours into the official league period though. They had a chance to be active in the CB market.

 

Maybe there was some massive failure on Paces part to plan accordingly, but if you're cutting Fuller you're not replacing him with a top CB. And perusing the FA tracker lists, seems there's still quite a bit out there.

 

I didn't say anything about a "top CB". And obviously now with 11M they can sign a starter or maybe even 2 at another position of need, which then allows them to go CB early in the draft again. But they obviously need a "starting caliber" CB. You don't cut a starting caliber player without adding another starting caliber player. Like I said, sure they can get a guy or two still, but they aren't likely to get them at the most needed positions.

 

The Bears 36 hours ago had HUGE needs at QB and tackle. The only other starter they lost was at SS. They signed players at all 3 of those positions, but still have holes there. Cutting Fuller creates another hole at CB. They obviously aren't going to use the space on another QB. If they are going to use it on a tackle, then makes more sense to cut Leno, since they already re-signed Ifedi to presumably start at RT. They already signed 2 DL, so they could have cut Hicks (which they still may do) which saves just as much as cutting Fuller.

 

I just don't know why at this point we aren't assuming there was a massive failure to plan accordingly with Pace.

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Now Pace will trade a 2022 1st to move up and take a QB, and that pick will be top 5

 

If the QB he moves up for is the guy, it won't matter. I don't see an issue with this. Of course, I also think Justin Fields and Trey Lance (possible trade up targets) are as talented and have more upside than any QB potentially in the 2022 draft.

[UMFan83]

Now Pace will trade a 2022 1st to move up and take a QB, and that pick will be top 5

 

If the QB he moves up for is the guy, it won't matter. I don't see an issue with this. Of course, I also think Justin Fields and Trey Lance (possible trade up targets) are as talented and have more upside than any QB potentially in the 2022 draft.

 

Yeah maybe by blind luck he might get the right guy but I don’t at all trust he will get the right guy

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Cutting him a week ago gives you a shot at the FA CB market. They've signed 2 DL to replace Hicks cheaply. They probably can't truly replace Fuller's production on the cheap unless it's thru the draft, but they still are at a spot where they need to take OT and QB early. Spending another early pick on defense seems counterproductive for a team that's trying to balance offensive and defensive assets/costs, when there aren't any fewer holes on offense than there was last season.

 

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Were like 36 hours into the official league period though. They had a chance to be active in the CB market.

 

Maybe there was some massive failure on Paces part to plan accordingly, but if you're cutting Fuller you're not replacing him with a top CB. And perusing the FA tracker lists, seems there's still quite a bit out there.

 

I didn't say anything about a "top CB". And obviously now with 11M they can sign a starter or maybe even 2 at another position of need, which then allows them to go CB early in the draft again. But they obviously need a "starting caliber" CB. You don't cut a starting caliber player without adding another starting caliber player. Like I said, sure they can get a guy or two still, but they aren't likely to get them at the most needed positions.

 

The Bears 36 hours ago had HUGE needs at QB and tackle. The only other starter they lost was at SS. They signed players at all 3 of those positions, but still have holes there. Cutting Fuller creates another hole at CB. They obviously aren't going to use the space on another QB. If they are going to use it on a tackle, then makes more sense to cut Leno, since they already re-signed Ifedi to presumably start at RT. They already signed 2 DL, so they could have cut Hicks (which they still may do) which saves just as much as cutting Fuller.

 

I just don't know why at this point we aren't assuming there was a massive failure to plan accordingly with Pace.

I guess I don't know why him being released now is an indication of a failure to plan. I'm still failing to follow what the lost opportunity cost is of not acting a week ago or even 3 days ago.

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Now Pace will trade a 2022 1st to move up and take a QB, and that pick will be top 5

 

If the QB he moves up for is the guy, it won't matter. I don't see an issue with this. Of course, I also think Justin Fields and Trey Lance (possible trade up targets) are as talented and have more upside than any QB potentially in the 2022 draft.

 

Yeah maybe by blind luck he might get the right guy but I don’t at all trust he will get the right guy

Well then 2023 is a top 5 pick for the next guy to get the right QB too lol

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If the QB he moves up for is the guy, it won't matter. I don't see an issue with this. Of course, I also think Justin Fields and Trey Lance (possible trade up targets) are as talented and have more upside than any QB potentially in the 2022 draft.

 

Yeah maybe by blind luck he might get the right guy but I don’t at all trust he will get the right guy

Well then 2023 is a top 5 pick for the next guy to get the right QB too lol

Not of Pace trades it away for Mac Jones