Are we getting Black Monday II? No, but we got a Black QB!!!

[jersey cubs fan]

 

But how many teammates showed up to his birthday party?

 

This is a nifty article on him from a month ago brings up some interesting points. It sounds like he's the reserved type who spends a lot of time studying film and isn't particularly outspoken. It also sounds like BYU was desperate for a QB and didn't bother recruiting him until they were pretty much forced to do so, which tells me they knew he was really talented, but they had concerns about how he'd fit with BYU overall.

 

Frankly, I don't think character issues in QBs should be much of a concern. There are and have been numerous successful QBs who are complete weirdos, jackoffs, sexual predators, bigots, and outright idiots. If this causes Wilson to drop into the Bears' lap, awesome, but it's wholly unjustified unless Wilson is doing something like shooting heroin into his forehead during interviews.

BYU was hesitant recruit a quiet and reserved guy?

 

Okay, just read that article. It looks like one coaching staff had no interest but the new staff did.

 

Also, this kid has had everything handed to him on a silver platter. I'd bet his inheritance that he'd flame out big time if taken by the Bears.

[WrigleyField 22]

BYU was hesitant recruit a quiet and reserved guy?

 

Okay, just read that article. It looks like one coaching staff had no interest but the new staff did.

 

Also, this kid has had everything handed to him on a silver platter. I'd bet his inheritance that he'd flame out big time if taken by the Bears.

When I first saw him I legit thought he looked like the kid they'd cast as the hot shot punk spoiled QB in a Friday Night Lights reboot.

 

Turns out he's Bo Callahan.

 

So I was close.

[Old Style]

JJ Watt is available

The Bears need more old DE.

 

Watt would be fun with this defense. The problem is with Mack, Quinn, Hicks and Goldman....adding Watt would be about 75M in cap going to the front 5 of the defense. But if they could trade Hicks, and sign Watt for a small cap hit in 2021, it would be a move I would like. Watt does have the ability to rush from the edge if Quinn can't turn it around. Although, I just saw Vita Vea dominate rushing from the edge in the Superbowl so maybe they could get similar from putting Hicks outside at times.

You want to trade Hicks and replace him with Watt?

[raw]

The Bears need more old DE.

 

Watt would be fun with this defense. The problem is with Mack, Quinn, Hicks and Goldman....adding Watt would be about 75M in cap going to the front 5 of the defense. But if they could trade Hicks, and sign Watt for a small cap hit in 2021, it would be a move I would like. Watt does have the ability to rush from the edge if Quinn can't turn it around. Although, I just saw Vita Vea dominate rushing from the edge in the Superbowl so maybe they could get similar from putting Hicks outside at times.

You want to trade Hicks and replace him with Watt?

If Watt would play for a significantly lower cap hit than the 12 Hicks is going to get, then yes.

 

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[minnesotacubsfan]

 

Watt would be fun with this defense. The problem is with Mack, Quinn, Hicks and Goldman....adding Watt would be about 75M in cap going to the front 5 of the defense. But if they could trade Hicks, and sign Watt for a small cap hit in 2021, it would be a move I would like. Watt does have the ability to rush from the edge if Quinn can't turn it around. Although, I just saw Vita Vea dominate rushing from the edge in the Superbowl so maybe they could get similar from putting Hicks outside at times.

You want to trade Hicks and replace him with Watt?

If Watt would play for a significantly lower cap hit than the 12 Hicks is going to get, then yes.

 

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with Goldman back and Nichols coming on, Hicks isn't as critical as he once was. Quinn, however....

 

I also would be a bit surprised to see JJ Watt taking a big pay cut, however.

[Old Style]

Doesn't Watt's wife play futbol in Chicago?

[Brian707]

Doesn't Watt's wife play futbol in Chicago?

 

Yes and JJ loves Portillo's

[raw]

You want to trade Hicks and replace him with Watt?

If Watt would play for a significantly lower cap hit than the 12 Hicks is going to get, then yes.

 

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with Goldman back and Nichols coming on, Hicks isn't as critical as he once was. Quinn, however....

 

I also would be a bit surprised to see JJ Watt taking a big pay cut, however.

 

I'm sure he'll still get a choice on whether he wants to take a big paycut or not, but he's probably an 8Mil + incentives type player at this point in his career. But with his reputation and marketability, if he wants to continue to be a 15M/year player, I'm sure there are several teams that will oblige him. But if there's anyone that doesn't care about money and would take much less money in order to win a ring, it's JJ. The teams that make the most sense are Pittsburgh with his brothers or Chicago with his wife, unless he goes for a pure ring chase. And those 2 teams don't have the cap room to pay him a bunch.

[CoolHandLuke]

If super bowl contention and some other connection are the qualifiers, you gotta add Green Bay to the list. Don't think they can afford him at his market value though. I think the Steelers are in a pretty bad place regarding the cap as well.

[raw]

If super bowl contention and some other connection are the qualifiers, you gotta add Green Bay to the list. Don't think they can afford him at his market value though. I think the Steelers are in a pretty bad place regarding the cap as well.

 

Ah yeah, that's true. And the Packers have a true need on the D-line, unlike the Bears and Steelers.

[ConstableRabbit]

I mean, if he isn't pushing close to those numbers next year, you start looking for his replacement sure. But I don't see the definitive reason he wont

You said 5-6 more years. Nobody counts on a RB beyond the season they're about to play, at the most. 5-6 years total would be a successful career, and he's already finished 2. And that is after a three year college career with with 700 touches.

I'm not arguing he is set for 5-6 years, I'm saying he should be able to keep up the production barring injury. Obviously, there is no guarantee.

 

 

eta: maybe not "likley" as I did say

Bro, it’s the NFL. You can’t say “barring injury”. Everyone gets injured whether they miss games or just lose production because of it.

 

Injuries (and occasionally suspensions for being a pos) often dictate seasons in this sport.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

The reason Watt is available is because he's washed.

[raw]

The reason Watt is available is because he's washed.

 

Believe he was 6th in QB pressures this year.

[ChiCubsFan]

The reason Watt is available is because he's washed.

 

Believe he was 6th in QB pressures this year.

 

85.5 PFF grade. The reason he is available is because Houston was over the cap and terrible. He was almost definitely going to be cut. His body is also breaking down and I’d take the under on 2.5 more seasons out of him.

[jersey cubs fan]

[d_money]

Beautiful. On a few levels.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

The reason Watt is available is because he's washed.

 

Believe he was 6th in QB pressures this year.

 

Hearing everyone start caring about pressures in the last few years makes me appreciate all the old people who didn't care about OBP

[UMFan83]

The reason Watt is available is because he's washed.

 

Believe he was 6th in QB pressures this year.

 

85.5 PFF grade. The reason he is available is because Houston was over the cap and terrible. He was almost definitely going to be cut. His body is also breaking down and I’d take the under on 2.5 more seasons out of him.

 

So basically it would be like Jared Allen all over again

[raw]

So the theory now is the Bears have been the most aggressive in Wentz trade talks, but Wentz really wants to go to Indianapolis. Not sure why what Wentz wants matters, but many still think the Bears get a deal done, and several reports that they haven't (and probably won't) give up #20.

 

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[gflore34]

So the theory now is the Bears have been the most aggressive in Wentz trade talks, but Wentz really wants to go to Indianapolis. Not sure why what Wentz wants matters, but many still think the Bears get a deal done, and several reports that they haven't (and probably won't) give up #20.

 

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That's good to read, appears Pace has figured out Wentz isn't going anywhere fast and it's wise to wait the Eagles out.

[minnesotacubsfan]

So the theory now is the Bears have been the most aggressive in Wentz trade talks, but Wentz really wants to go to Indianapolis. Not sure why what Wentz wants matters, but many still think the Bears get a deal done, and several reports that they haven't (and probably won't) give up #20.

 

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That's good to read, appears Pace has figured out Wentz isn't going anywhere fast and it's wise to wait the Eagles out.

 

I don't think Pace figured that out. MAAAAYBE Nagy, more likely George, but def not Pace.

[raw]

Sounds like the Bears are all but out of the Wentz "sweepstakes" now. They won't trade for him unless they know he wants to be in Chicago. No word on whether he would want to be in Chicago, but definitely prefers Indianapolis. Definitely seems like the Bears had the best offer though.

 

I probably like Wentz more than most Bears fans, so I had talked myself into that this was going to happen. NGL, I'm slightly disappointed, because I don't know where else the Bears can realistically go to find competent QB play. Not that Wentz was guaranteed competence, but not many of the other options seem very realistic at this point. Carr doesn't seem like he's being traded. If Watson gets traded, it won't be to Chicago. Sounds like Dak is getting tagged again. Doesn't seem like they're interested in draft prospects.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Sounds like the Bears are all but out of the Wentz "sweepstakes" now. They won't trade for him unless they know he wants to be in Chicago. No word on whether he would want to be in Chicago, but definitely prefers Indianapolis. Definitely seems like the Bears had the best offer though.

 

I probably like Wentz more than most Bears fans, so I had talked myself into that this was going to happen. NGL, I'm slightly disappointed, because I don't know where else the Bears can realistically go to find competent QB play. Not that Wentz was guaranteed competence, but not many of the other options seem very realistic at this point. Carr doesn't seem like he's being traded. If Watson gets traded, it won't be to Chicago. Sounds like Dak is getting tagged again. Doesn't seem like they're interested in draft prospects.

 

yup. "we're going to be big players in the qb market" until they realize they are playing from a little player position.

 

Foles and Mac Jones (?) here we come

[Bertz]

Sounds like the Bears are all but out of the Wentz "sweepstakes" now. They won't trade for him unless they know he wants to be in Chicago. No word on whether he would want to be in Chicago, but definitely prefers Indianapolis. Definitely seems like the Bears had the best offer though.

 

I probably like Wentz more than most Bears fans, so I had talked myself into that this was going to happen. NGL, I'm slightly disappointed, because I don't know where else the Bears can realistically go to find competent QB play. Not that Wentz was guaranteed competence, but not many of the other options seem very realistic at this point. Carr doesn't seem like he's being traded. If Watson gets traded, it won't be to Chicago. Sounds like Dak is getting tagged again. Doesn't seem like they're interested in draft prospects.

 

Works for me. Wentz hasn't actually gone anywhere either, so there's still opportunity to revisit when he and/or the Eagles become more reasonable.

 

I tend to think at least one, probably both of Bridgewater/Garappolo can be had too. They're a little lower upside than Wentz, but that much safer. And I'd say the expected production of all three guys is similar (somewhere in the teens if you were ranking every QB ordinally).

 

For me, the play is to get whichever of those three guys costs the least in draft picks and take a day 2 QB in the draft. In FA, do what you can, but don't add any long term $ except maybe a Robinson extension.

[raw]

Sounds like the Bears are all but out of the Wentz "sweepstakes" now. They won't trade for him unless they know he wants to be in Chicago. No word on whether he would want to be in Chicago, but definitely prefers Indianapolis. Definitely seems like the Bears had the best offer though.

 

I probably like Wentz more than most Bears fans, so I had talked myself into that this was going to happen. NGL, I'm slightly disappointed, because I don't know where else the Bears can realistically go to find competent QB play. Not that Wentz was guaranteed competence, but not many of the other options seem very realistic at this point. Carr doesn't seem like he's being traded. If Watson gets traded, it won't be to Chicago. Sounds like Dak is getting tagged again. Doesn't seem like they're interested in draft prospects.

 

Works for me. Wentz hasn't actually gone anywhere either, so there's still opportunity to revisit when he and/or the Eagles become more reasonable.

 

I tend to think at least one, probably both of Bridgewater/Garappolo can be had too. They're a little lower upside than Wentz, but that much safer. And I'd say the expected production of all three guys is similar (somewhere in the teens if you were ranking every QB ordinally).

 

For me, the play is to get whichever of those three guys costs the least in draft picks and take a day 2 QB in the draft. In FA, do what you can, but don't add any long term $ except maybe a Robinson extension.

 

Yeah, other than Watson and Prescott, none of the options are long-term, franchise changing QBs. Wentz, Bridgewater, Jimmy G, MInshew, etc. are all guys that can get the team by for a couple years (at best) while you hopefully draft and develop an actual real long-term QB. If they can get any of the latter guys, I'd hope it's for cheap enough that the Bears can potentially add an early QB in this draft, even if they have to trade up (Lance). Derek Carr is an interesting one, because he's probably somewhere in the middle. He's better than the latter group, but would be treated like he's one of the elites, requiring a lot of trade capital and likely a big contract extension.