Are we getting Black Monday II? No, but we got a Black QB!!!

[CaliforniaRaisin]

 

That’s not bad.

[Bertz]

Yeah, no appetite on my end to pay that price

 

[WrigleyField 22]

Yeah, no appetite on my end to pay that price

 

Its about what I would have expected if you asked me a month or so ago what a Wentz value would be. Probably best for the Bears not to be the one to do it, but fairly reasonable.

[Bertz]

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Yeah, I don't have a problem with the value. I just don't want to trade picks for another retread QB.

[champaignchris]

I wouldn’t have been horribly mad had the Bears paid that to get Wentz, but I wouldn’t have been really excited either.

 

Maybe Wentz goes back to being the guy he was in 2017 and proves me wrong, but I think it’s likely that other guys available for cheaper can bring the same performance to the Bears.

[jersey cubs fan]

That price is nothing. If you give up your first it’s only if he proves to be your guy.

[Rex Buckingham]

I kinda want them to make the worst (talent-wise) choice possible (Fitzpatrick?) and accidentally tank, getting Nagy and Pace fired.

 

2022 QBs worth checking out from a quick look at 2022 mocks: Sam Howell (UNC), Tyler Shough (formerly of Oregon, transferring), Kedon Slovis (USC), Spencer Rattler (OU), and JT Daniels (UGA)...

[WrigleyField 22]

That price is nothing. If you give up your first it’s only if he proves to be your guy.

I suppose only if they want to be really ruthless with him. Like if they win despite his play, you ideally want to bench him before he hits the 70% mark and save the first.

 

Obviously if they're just flat out sucky its easy to bench him anyways and save yourself the risk of losing a high first.

 

Like would they still try to bring Brisset back as a veteran contingency to Wentz? He's a guy I wouldn't mind if the Bears up having to just get the best vet backup they can to come compete with Foles.

[WrigleyField 22]

I kinda want them to make the worst (talent-wise) choice possible (Fitzpatrick?) and accidentally tank, getting Nagy and Pace fired.

 

2022 QBs worth checking out from a quick look at 2022 mocks: Sam Howell (UNC), Tyler Shough (formerly of Oregon, transferring), Kedon Slovis (USC), Spencer Rattler (OU), and JT Daniels (UGA)...

Fitzpatrick is the worst talent choice available?

 

It seems like they already have a good tank candidate in Foles, though starting Coward again would really put the finishing touch on a tank job.

[Outshined_One]

I think the Colts, Eagles, and Wentz did pretty well with this deal. The Eagles got multiple picks, including a first rounder if Wentz succeeds. The Colts get an established veteran QB with upside at a fair price. Wentz is going into a fairly stable situation in Indy with decent odds of making the playoffs next season given the state of the AFC South. Something tells me this trade would have been an outright disaster for the Bears if they were in the Colts' shoes.

 

I'm kind of looking forward to seeing the dead look in Ryan Pace's eyes when he spends an inordinate amount of time explaining why he believes Gardner Minshew is the Bears' QB of the future.

[Rex Buckingham]

I kinda want them to make the worst (talent-wise) choice possible (Fitzpatrick?) and accidentally tank, getting Nagy and Pace fired.

 

2022 QBs worth checking out from a quick look at 2022 mocks: Sam Howell (UNC), Tyler Shough (formerly of Oregon, transferring), Kedon Slovis (USC), Spencer Rattler (OU), and JT Daniels (UGA)...

Fitzpatrick is the worst talent choice available?

 

It seems like they already have a good tank candidate in Foles, though starting Coward again would really put the finishing touch on a tank job.

 

I meant of guys who wouldn't be a joke of a starter. Like, Andy Dalton is out there, but nobody could really see him as a guy who pushes this Bears team to the playoffs. You could at least sell the argument of Fitzpatrick as a guy who makes plays and has experience. I don't think they could even possibly sell Foles as the starter going into '21 without being eviscerated in the media.

[WrigleyField 22]

I kinda want them to make the worst (talent-wise) choice possible (Fitzpatrick?) and accidentally tank, getting Nagy and Pace fired.

 

2022 QBs worth checking out from a quick look at 2022 mocks: Sam Howell (UNC), Tyler Shough (formerly of Oregon, transferring), Kedon Slovis (USC), Spencer Rattler (OU), and JT Daniels (UGA)...

Fitzpatrick is the worst talent choice available?

 

It seems like they already have a good tank candidate in Foles, though starting Coward again would really put the finishing touch on a tank job.

 

I meant of guys who wouldn't be a joke of a starter. Like, Andy Dalton is out there, but nobody could really see him as a guy who pushes this Bears team to the playoffs. You could at least sell the argument of Fitzpatrick as a guy who makes plays and has experience. I don't think they could even possibly sell Foles as the starter going into '21 without being eviscerated in the media.

Maybe you can get by with Foles without being eviscerated if you draft a guy. If it's like Foles and Bray, omg they would rightfully be destroyed.

 

Since they seem intent on competing I'd say go vet FA like Fitz and draft a guy. Just start throwing options out there hoping one catches lighting in a bottle.

[WrigleyField 22]

Unless Carr materializes its probably:

 

Ryan Fitzpatrick

Jacoby Brisset

Tyrod Taylor

Marcus Mariota(?)

Jameis Winston

Joe Flacco

 

Any others?

 

Obviously discounting any of the other big-ish names via trade. These are all FA or could be cut.

[gflore34]

We are all going to laugh and laugh together when the Bears end up with Sam Darnold

 

Edit...Ha:

 

 

 

Sam Darnold? Don't know much about him, is he capable of making all the reads? Or, does Nagy have to cut the field in half, limit the playbook etc. for him as well? I'd like to see what happens when Nagy no longer has the excuse of a QB with mental limitations.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I love that our entire offseason is consumed by finding a bridge QB when that was literally the point of Nick Foles.

[Proven Veteran]

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[champaignchris]

The one thing Darnold has going for him is that he’s still young enough to be called a legitimate prospect. He’s three years younger than Trubisky and only a year older than Mac Jones, the qb most likely to be available when the Bears pick in the first round.

 

Assuming the Jets release Darnold, he’s likely be a smaller cap hit than a 1st round qb and the Bears would still be able to make a first round pick. So, the question is whether the Bears see anything on tape they think is salvageable.

 

I don’t think grabbing Darnold and a day 2 qb while shoring up the OL and receiving core, and then seeing if any of Darnold, Foles, or Day2QB look like they can be “the guy” is the worst move the Bears can make. It would certainly be a better idea than overdrafting a guy like Jones or sending more picks on bringing in another mediocre veteran.

[jersey cubs fan]

 

Assuming the Jets release Darnold, he’s likely be a smaller cap hit than a 1st round qb and the Bears would still be able to make a first round pick. So, the question is whether the Bears see anything on tape they think is salvageable.

Why would they release him? He’s cheap and young, they’ll trade him for something. And fwiw, a rando ny sports talk host and thinks they can get a late 1st for him.

 

That’s insane but it’s reasonable to assume they can get a pick for him.

[minnesotacubsfan]

 

Assuming the Jets release Darnold, he’s likely be a smaller cap hit than a 1st round qb and the Bears would still be able to make a first round pick. So, the question is whether the Bears see anything on tape they think is salvageable.

Why would they release him? He’s cheap and young, they’ll trade him for something. And fwiw, a rando ny sports talk host and thinks they can get a late 1st for him.

 

That’s insane but it’s reasonable to assume they can get a pick for him.

 

its also reasonable to assume that since its the Jets were speaking of, any stupidity would be possible

[Old Style]

At this point I'll take Fitz and draft a QB.

[Bertz]

I don't hate the Darnold idea. The Jets' have been dysfunctional enough that it's not completely outrageous to think he can be fixed. It's certainly not the likely outcome, but it's a swing at a long term answer. And if/when he fails, he's great tank-fuel. You have to pair him with a draft pick though, he's too much of a long shot to just pair with Foles and call it an offseason.

 

I don't see Pace going for it though. Given the hotseat he's on he'll want someone higher floor. I think he tries hard for Carr or Watson, and ultimately settles for pairing a safe veteran with a draft pick.

[jumbo]

I think the Colts, Eagles, and Wentz did pretty well with this deal. The Eagles got multiple picks, including a first rounder if Wentz succeeds. The Colts get an established veteran QB with upside at a fair price. Wentz is going into a fairly stable situation in Indy with decent odds of making the playoffs next season given the state of the AFC South. Something tells me this trade would have been an outright disaster for the Bears if they were in the Colts' shoes.

 

I'm kind of looking forward to seeing the dead look in Ryan Pace's eyes when he spends an inordinate amount of time explaining why he believes Gardner Minshew is the Bears' QB of the future.

 

Well said. I was trying to think of how to say that Pace would get killed for trading for Wentz, while Ballard would mae it look interesting. Partly due to their respective success at the QB position, partly due to the rest of the roster and chance for success. I think Wentz will be pretty good for the Colts.

 

Also, every time I see the Colts/Ballard discussed (a lot living in Indiana) I think about how the Bears were considering him for GM before hiring Pace. I was routing for Ballard then and I really like him in Indy, especially after he had to deal with the Josh McDaniels stuff.

[raw]

I don't hate the Darnold idea. The Jets' have been dysfunctional enough that it's not completely outrageous to think he can be fixed. It's certainly not the likely outcome, but it's a swing at a long term answer. And if/when he fails, he's great tank-fuel. You have to pair him with a draft pick though, he's too much of a long shot to just pair with Foles and call it an offseason.

 

I don't see Pace going for it though. Given the hotseat he's on he'll want someone higher floor. I think he tries hard for Carr or Watson, and ultimately settles for pairing a safe veteran with a draft pick.

 

It's not outrageous to think he can be fixed. Probably is to think Nagy and DeFilippo and co. can fix him. Agree with your assessment of him though, in regards to Pace's interest. The news that Pace never offered Wentz or Stafford is interesting to me. Honestly, it either says to me that Pace isn't going to go stupid for a guy that might not be the answer (or isn't allowed to) or maybe thinks he has a legit shot at a legit answer.

 

I do still think in the end it will be someone like Mariota and a draft pick. Mariota is just as much of a reclamation project as Wentz, and may cost just money if the Raiders stick w/ Carr. Pace had interest in him the year he was drafted.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

I think the Colts, Eagles, and Wentz did pretty well with this deal. The Eagles got multiple picks, including a first rounder if Wentz succeeds. The Colts get an established veteran QB with upside at a fair price. Wentz is going into a fairly stable situation in Indy with decent odds of making the playoffs next season given the state of the AFC South. Something tells me this trade would have been an outright disaster for the Bears if they were in the Colts' shoes.

 

I'm kind of looking forward to seeing the dead look in Ryan Pace's eyes when he spends an inordinate amount of time explaining why he believes Gardner Minshew is the Bears' QB of the future.

 

Well said. I was trying to think of how to say that Pace would get killed for trading for Wentz, while Ballard would mae it look interesting. Partly due to their respective success at the QB position, partly due to the rest of the roster and chance for success. I think Wentz will be pretty good for the Colts.

 

Also, every time I see the Colts/Ballard discussed (a lot living in Indiana) I think about how the Bears were considering him for GM before hiring Pace. I was routing for Ballard then and I really like him in Indy, especially after he had to deal with the Josh McDaniels stuff.

 

Hate reading why Ballard lost the job to Pace when he was right.