Bears week 7: LAC @ CHI Sunday at noon on FOX

[gflore34]

Last place?

 

last place

 

Frustrating, what's their record with average play at QB? I'd say at least 6 - 1.

[minnesotacubsfan]

I thought Pineiro was good

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I thought Pineiro was good

 

Everyone misses sometimes and Soldier Field is a brutal place to kick.

[Sosa21MVP]

 

With the game in balance would you trust your mentally fragile, low football IQ OB to successfully execute anything?

 

I would trust him to execute a simple hand-off, yes. Seeing as how that is one thing I cannot recall the last time he screwed that up.

It’s about more than just fumbling, though. The OL sucks and they would know a run is coming. Who’s to say we don’t lose 2-3 yards trying to run at that point? I hate Nagy and his play calling but the kneel down didn’t lose the game.

 

I never said the kneel down lost the game.

[Soul]

Well Nagy’s explanation is that they know we are running so it would either be a fumble or a loss.

 

So that’s his equation. It doesn’t include actually succeeding. He also laughed off the suggestion of a throw.

 

The man is out of his league. Wrong hire.

[raw]

It seems I am in the minority here, but I honestly think you give Nagy/Pace another shot. You have to remember, Pace drafted Trubisky with John Fox as head coach. It was even rumored that Fox didn't even know they were drafting him. So, while that would put the bust all on Pace, which adds to a shaky early draft history that also includes Shaheen, Floyd against teams not from Green Bay, and Kevin White....I think you give him another chance to find a QB WITH Nagy.

 

Nagy's playcalling has been trash, but it's hard to tell if it's because he doesn't have confidence in his QB. Even though he doesn't get benefit of the doubt because of that KC playoff game, I think you have to give him a 2nd chance with a QB of his choosing. And this would tie both his and Pace's future to this QB. Can't really have him take the fall for a QB he inherited, especially after a 12-win season.

 

That being said, I don't think you can get said QB until 2021. The team has too many other needs, and taking potentially the 5th or 6th best QB in the mid 2nd round is not an ideal situation. Trading up to the first means you don't have the picks to fill the other needs.

 

Also, everyone on Twitter seems convinced the answer is guys like Nick Foles (not getting cut with 33M in dead cap next year), Cam Newton (no guarantees, but still under contract, probably too good to cut), Eli Manning, Andy Dalton, Marcus Mariota, and Jameis Winston. But those type of guys cost 20M+ to bring in as starters, and may be upgrades over Trubisky (who you still have to pay over 9M to) only in consistency.

 

Unfortunately, the best options appear to be guys like Nick Mullens, CJ Beathard, maybe Josh Rosen, and Ryan Tannehill. The only player that appears to be a clear upgrade, will not cost a draft pick, and still has youth on his side is Teddy Bridgewater, but he will also cost 20+Mil.

[Soul]

It seems I am in the minority here, but I honestly think you give Nagy/Pace another shot. You have to remember, Pace drafted Trubisky with John Fox as head coach. It was even rumored that Fox didn't even know they were drafting him. So, while that would put the bust all on Pace, which adds to a shaky early draft history that also includes Shaheen, Floyd against teams not from Green Bay, and Kevin White....I think you give him another chance to find a QB WITH Nagy.

 

Nagy's playcalling has been trash, but it's hard to tell if it's because he doesn't have confidence in his QB. Even though he doesn't get benefit of the doubt because of that KC playoff game, I think you have to give him a 2nd chance with a QB of his choosing. And this would tie both his and Pace's future to this QB. Can't really have him take the fall for a QB he inherited, especially after a 12-win season.

 

That being said, I don't think you can get said QB until 2021. The team has too many other needs, and taking potentially the 5th or 6th best QB in the mid 2nd round is not an ideal situation. Trading up to the first means you don't have the picks to fill the other needs.

 

Also, everyone on Twitter seems convinced the answer is guys like Nick Foles (not getting cut with 33M in dead cap next year), Cam Newton (no guarantees, but still under contract, probably too good to cut), Eli Manning, Andy Dalton, Marcus Mariota, and Jameis Winston. But those type of guys cost 20M+ to bring in as starters, and may be upgrades over Trubisky (who you still have to pay over 9M to) only in consistency.

 

Unfortunately, the best options appear to be guys like Nick Mullens, CJ Beathard, maybe Josh Rosen, and Ryan Tannehill. The only player that appears to be a clear upgrade, will not cost a draft pick, and still has youth on his side is Teddy Bridgewater, but he will also cost 20+Mil.

 

OK, but if you give Pace/Nagy another shot and it doesn't happen until 2021, then we're talking about giving the whole thing until what, 2022, 2023? That seems like a reasonable period to let the new setup burn in, but it's a long time to wait to find out if you are a fan. When does the merry-go-round end - we are always caught in this cycle where coaches don't have their players, or GMs don't have their coaches. Or QBs don't have their offense. Someone has to succeed in spite of all that or we're never going to bust through.

 

I don't have the answer but I think other teams do figure this out one way or another, and I'm sick of seeing the Bears fail at this over & over.

Edited October 28, 2019 by Soul

[jersey cubs fan]

It seems I am in the minority here, but I honestly think you give Nagy/Pace another shot.

 

I'm completely on board with this idea.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

BUT, that was the most predictable cowardly endings to a game I've seen from a coach. The Chargers tried to give you that game. They did nothing. Settling for a 40+ yard kick with plenty of time (after completely screwing up the halftime ending) was abysmal.

[jersey cubs fan]

OK, but if you give Pace/Nagy another shot and it doesn't happen until 2021, then we're talking about giving the whole thing until what, 2022, 2023? That seems like a reasonable period to let the new setup burn in, but it's a long time to wait to find out if you are a fan. When does the merry-go-round end -

 

If you fire everybody and start anew you're talking about the same timeframe. Teams CAN turn on a dime in the NFL, but they typically do not. Unless you have a Marc Trestman situation, there is no reason to throw in the towel this early on a head coach you have any belief in. I do not think this is a Marc Trestman situation. I think you give Pace and Nagy a short to muddle through 2020 and draft a QB in 2021. Constant coaching churn is a recipe for prolonged stretches of ineptitude.

[BigbadB]

BUT, that was the most predictable cowardly endings to a game I've seen from a coach. The Chargers tried to give you that game. They did nothing. Settling for a 40+ yard kick with plenty of time (after completely screwing up the halftime ending) was abysmal.

 

Chargers used their last time out at :43 which took the game to a commercial break. I turn to my Charger fan friends and say "watch, they are going to kneel on this ball with 1st down, plenty of time remaining AND A horsefeathering TIME OUT, and put all of this undo pressure on a rookie kicker when there are ways to turn this into a touchdown or a chip shot field goal. Then my blood began to boil as soon as they did exactly what I predicted. That play was so Nagy that I really don't know how much more of this I can tolerate.

 

There was a lot of stupidity in that game, with that predictable ending probably being the highlight. The next one that really unnerved me was the offsides free play where Trubisky throws a 5 yard slant on an obvious free play. Who does that? Trubisky does.

 

The general frustration was that when they actually threw for more than 10 yards today, they had success. But, they only did when they had to, not when they should have been doing it more. Why would you take spreading the field off the table when you are having success doing exactly that? In general, it was a successful day moving the football. However, the end result was the inability to translate yardage into touchdowns, so it's still an epic failure.

[BigbadB]

I’m wondering if part of the reason Mitch is afraid to scan the field and look past his primary target is that he’s afraid to throw INTs. Mitch has a lot of bad stats but his INT% is fairly decent. Now last year he was extremely fortunate with passes that should have been picked off, but he was also a better QB last year. This would also explain why he’s all the sudden better in situations where he has to improvise and just play with instinct.

 

To save his career he probably needs to open it up and stop worrying about potentially making mistakes. What does he have to lose at this point?

 

I know this post is old and before the game, but I actually had this same thought process early in the game. I was thinking that he does rarely throw INT's (probably because he's so inaccurate that he can't even hit opposing defenses in the hands, either), and that I wouldn't even care if he threw some interceptions if it meant he was targeting receivers downfield. And there it was. He threw one and it didn't even bother me because they were finding success downfield. Not enough for my liking since it was working and it still wasn't translating into points, but at least they weren't trying to force 5 yard passes for no gains and punting.

 

Mainly I just wanted to compliment your observation as I concur with that thought process. You have to take some chances. Alex Smith was the most boring QB in the entire league until Andy Reid got his hands on him, and Andy got Alex to be more than a ball control QB.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Trading up next season just seems like throwing good money after bad. Their picks they have for 2020 right now are 2nd, 5th, 5th, 6th, 6th, 7th. There's not nearly enough there to get you a high first-round pick. So you're talking about the 2021 1st plus a bunch of other picks.

 

What do you think the 2022 Bears roster is gonna look like if they've had three gutted drafts in a row? Especially when they've also been building up toward some cap pain in that time period too?

 

I don't think tear-down rebuilds are that much of a thing in the NFL, and I definitely don't think the Bears are going to do one. So really the best they can do is take their medicine and wait it out. Mineaswell roll out your vet-heavy defense and whatever band-aid QB you can find in 2020 and 2021 and wait for all the crap to flush out of the system. Then by 2022, you have all your draft picks, you have a relatively clean cap situation and you can start to pick up the pieces.

 

No top-notch coach or GM candidate is gonna want to come here until we get to that point anyway.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

This loss pretty effectively tanked their playoff chances, though. We're not looking at "oh man, they're gonna go 11-5 and lose in the first or second round" anymore, they're just flat-out not gonna make it. They're 3.5 plus tiebreaker back in the division with three teams in front of them, and the wild card in the NFC looks like it's gonna be a clusterhorsefeathers.

 

Which at least gives us some clarity. You don't have to let Chase Daniel be a caretaker or run your stupid, boring "please don't lose" playbook to respect the veteran defense or whatever. If there's even a 5% chance Mitch can somehow turn it around, just take it. Let him air it out, make him run the full playbook and air it out. If he throws five picks, he throws five picks, who cares.

[gflore34]

This loss pretty effectively tanked their playoff chances, though. We're not looking at "oh man, they're gonna go 11-5 and lose in the first or second round" anymore, they're just flat-out not gonna make it. They're 3.5 plus tiebreaker back in the division with three teams in front of them, and the wild card in the NFC looks like it's gonna be a clusterhorsefeathers.

 

Which at least gives us some clarity. You don't have to let Chase Daniel be a caretaker or run your stupid, boring "please don't lose" playbook to respect the veteran defense or whatever. If there's even a 5% chance Mitch can somehow turn it around, just take it. Let him air it out, make him run the full playbook and air it out. If he throws five picks, he throws five picks, who cares.

 

Exactly, season' over, playing scared will only lead to more mistakes. Even though Nagy' gun-shy and has no faith in his QB, he's got to go out guns blazing being aggressive as aggressive can be, it's the only chance they have, if any. Think Mitch knows his career might be coming to end very soon?

[Old Style]

I don't think the Bears will be smart enough to move on from Trubisky in the offseason. I fully expect them to waste another season with him as the starting QB in 2020.

[BigbadB]

I don't think the Bears will be smart enough to move on from Trubisky in the offseason. I fully expect them to waste another season with him as the starting QB in 2020.

 

That miss to Robinson at the 1 yard line was the very definition of why Trubisky is not an NFL QB. Short pass, wide open and he can't even put it in a spot where Robinson can at least catch it. I don't know the exact radius of the window to make that a catchable ball, but he wasn't close on what was essentially a non moving target.

[gflore34]

I don't think the Bears will be smart enough to move on from Trubisky in the offseason. I fully expect them to waste another season with him as the starting QB in 2020.

 

That miss to Robinson at the 1 yard line was the very definition of why Trubisky is not an NFL QB. Short pass, wide open and he can't even put it in a spot where Robinson can at least catch it. I don't know the exact radius of the window to make that a catchable ball, but he wasn't close on what was essentially a non moving target.

 

 

Prior to his drop/fumble he missed a wide open TD to Gabriel, its got to be frustrating as hell for the receivers. But, getting in Mitch' face won't help, just got to keep trying.

[jersey cubs fan]

I don't think the Bears will be smart enough to move on from Trubisky in the offseason. I fully expect them to waste another season with him as the starting QB in 2020.

As long as they do not pick up the option year, or god forbid, extend him, I do not care what they do with him next season. I don't want them spending $100m on some journeyman nobody who happens to be a hot free agent. Go ahead and make him play for all I care.

[gflore34]

I don't think the Bears will be smart enough to move on from Trubisky in the offseason. I fully expect them to waste another season with him as the starting QB in 2020.

As long as they do not pick up the option year, or god forbid, extend him, I do not care what they do with him next season. I don't want them spending $100m on some journeyman nobody who happens to be a hot free agent. Go ahead and make him play for all I care.

 

Believe I've read he's guaranteed money for 2020 and the Bears hold the option for 2021, might as well make him earn it in 2020, somehow. 2021? He's gone.

[BigbadB]

San Francisco is fielding offers for CJ Beathard. Maybe trade Cordarrelle Patterson straight up for him? I don't really know much about him, but apparently a lot of teams are expressing interest. Moving Patterson would take away some of the gimmicky [expletive] Nagy continues to employ with his stupid playcalling.

[minnesotacubsfan]

San Francisco is fielding offers for CJ Beathard. Maybe trade Cordarrelle Patterson straight up for him? I don't really know much about him, but apparently a lot of teams are expressing interest. Moving Patterson would take away some of the gimmicky [expletive] Nagy continues to employ with his stupid playcalling.

 

seems like a huge overpay. maybe one of their 5th round picks. but honestly, his draft profile screams Trubisky anyway:

 

Weaknesses Hesitation is a noticeable issue. Often late to pull trigger on throws toward the sideline, forcing receivers into boundary and out of the catch. Slow field scanner who tends to lock into a single side. Too much eye-balling and not enough manipulating.

[Old Style]

Sign Brady in the offseason and reinforce the OL.

[WrigleyField 22]

This loss pretty effectively tanked their playoff chances, though. We're not looking at "oh man, they're gonna go 11-5 and lose in the first or second round" anymore, they're just flat-out not gonna make it. They're 3.5 plus tiebreaker back in the division with three teams in front of them, and the wild card in the NFC looks like it's gonna be a clusterhorsefeathers.

 

Which at least gives us some clarity. You don't have to let Chase Daniel be a caretaker or run your stupid, boring "please don't lose" playbook to respect the veteran defense or whatever. If there's even a 5% chance Mitch can somehow turn it around, just take it. Let him air it out, make him run the full playbook and air it out. If he throws five picks, he throws five picks, who cares.

Re: wild card, being that 2 of their losses are to AFC opponents could be a good thing for the wild card tiebreaker as I think conference record is pretty high up on the tie breaker list. If they still manage to somehow fall ass backwards into a 9-7 record, they could get the WC tiebreaker since they'll likely beat all NFC teams in those 6 wins (just chalking up the loss to KC)

[WrigleyField 22]

I don't think the Bears will be smart enough to move on from Trubisky in the offseason. I fully expect them to waste another season with him as the starting QB in 2020.

As long as they do not pick up the option year, or god forbid, extend him, I do not care what they do with him next season. I don't want them spending $100m on some journeyman nobody who happens to be a hot free agent. Go ahead and make him play for all I care.

 

Believe I've read he's guaranteed money for 2020 and the Bears hold the option for 2021, might as well make him earn it in 2020, somehow. 2021? He's gone.

I believe they need to pick up the 2021 option this offseason, but it's guaranteed only for injury. So there's some risk there, but I'd say there's a pretty good chance they pick it up. And yea 2020 is guaranteed and all sunk cost at this point.

Edited October 28, 2019 by WrigleyField 22

[jersey cubs fan]

but if say there's a pretty good chance they pick it up.

what's that now?