Bears week 7: LAC @ CHI Sunday at noon on FOX

[BigbadB]

Nagy just announced that Trubisky will start against the Eagles this Sunday. Really looking forward to it.

[Old Style]

Nagy just announced that Trubisky will start against the Eagles this Sunday. Really looking forward to it.

Why would he not start? It's not like Chase Daniel is any good.

[jersey cubs fan]

Nagy just announced that Trubisky will start against the Eagles this Sunday. Really looking forward to it.

Why would he not start? It's not like Chase Daniel is any good.

trade deadline is 24 hours away

[minnesotacubsfan]

lol

[BigbadB]

Nagy just announced that Trubisky will start against the Eagles this Sunday. Really looking forward to it.

Why would he not start? It's not like Chase Daniel is any good.

 

Jersey already answered for me, but frankly, I'm done with the Trubisky era. I'm not a fan of tanking the entire season. The only problem I see with this team outside of play calling is QB. They have a 24 hour window to improve the QB situation, and already announcing before the deadline passes that Trubisky is starting next week tells me they aren't going to address the problem.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Nagy just announced that Trubisky will start against the Eagles this Sunday. Really looking forward to it.

Why would he not start? It's not like Chase Daniel is any good.

 

Jersey already answered for me, but frankly, I'm done with the Trubisky era. I'm not a fan of tanking the entire season. The only problem I see with this team outside of play calling is QB. They have a 24 hour window to improve the QB situation, and already announcing before the deadline passes that Trubisky is starting next week tells me they aren't going to address the problem.

 

The offensive line is just as bad as the QB, but otherwise I see your point

[jersey cubs fan]

Nagy just announced that Trubisky will start against the Eagles this Sunday. Really looking forward to it.

Why would he not start? It's not like Chase Daniel is any good.

 

Jersey already answered for me, but frankly, I'm done with the Trubisky era. I'm not a fan of tanking the entire season. The only problem I see with this team outside of play calling is QB. They have a 24 hour window to improve the QB situation, and already announcing before the deadline passes that Trubisky is starting next week tells me they aren't going to address the problem.

Well, trading for somebody would probably be something they regret. But even if they were going to trade for somebody, it makes no sense for Nagy to say anything other than Mitch is starting Sunday. It's not like making that announcement today forces them to stock to that decision when the time actually comes.

[minnesotacubsfan]

I hate it when they stock to decisions

[Old Style]

Nagy just announced that Trubisky will start against the Eagles this Sunday. Really looking forward to it.

Why would he not start? It's not like Chase Daniel is any good.

 

Jersey already answered for me, but frankly, I'm done with the Trubisky era. I'm not a fan of tanking the entire season. The only problem I see with this team outside of play calling is QB. They have a 24 hour window to improve the QB situation, and already announcing before the deadline passes that Trubisky is starting next week tells me they aren't going to address the problem.

I'm done with Trubisky too but Daniel isn't any better. And even if they trade for someone he wouldn't be ready to start after a couple of days.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Trading for someone midseason was never really going to happen. It was just *barely* plausible to make for a couple of interesting what-if articles.

[WrigleyField 22]

but I'd say there's a pretty good chance they pick it up.

what's that now?

Fixed.

[WrigleyField 22]

Trading up next season just seems like throwing good money after bad. Their picks they have for 2020 right now are 2nd, 5th, 5th, 6th, 6th, 7th. There's not nearly enough there to get you a high first-round pick. So you're talking about the 2021 1st plus a bunch of other picks.

 

What do you think the 2022 Bears roster is gonna look like if they've had three gutted drafts in a row? Especially when they've also been building up toward some cap pain in that time period too?

 

I don't think tear-down rebuilds are that much of a thing in the NFL, and I definitely don't think the Bears are going to do one. So really the best they can do is take their medicine and wait it out. Mineaswell roll out your vet-heavy defense and whatever band-aid QB you can find in 2020 and 2021 and wait for all the crap to flush out of the system. Then by 2022, you have all your draft picks, you have a relatively clean cap situation and you can start to pick up the pieces.

 

No top-notch coach or GM candidate is gonna want to come here until we get to that point anyway.

They have 2 2nds in 2020, theirs and Oakland. Using the traditional trade value chart, the combined values of those is something like a 20th overall pick right now, fwiw. So they definitely could make a trade like Hou and KC did for Watson and Mahomes.

 

Frankly I don't know how you ensure that things "flush out" if you stick with Pace. I think he'll be continue to be aggressive with trading picks. If you're McCaskey are you gonna overrule his draft trades? Give him some sort of ultimatum on his job future? Neither sounds like a good option. I think you have to ride with him or move on.

 

If you want to ensure things flush out, you may have to hand the next GM the depleted draft capital of Pace in 2020 and not wait it out. If that GM really feels a mini blow up is warranted they could at least probably stock up on some mid round picks with the talent base, flush out the cap with dead hits in 2020 and set up for a high pick value in 2021.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Trading up next season just seems like throwing good money after bad. Their picks they have for 2020 right now are 2nd, 5th, 5th, 6th, 6th, 7th. There's not nearly enough there to get you a high first-round pick. So you're talking about the 2021 1st plus a bunch of other picks.

 

What do you think the 2022 Bears roster is gonna look like if they've had three gutted drafts in a row? Especially when they've also been building up toward some cap pain in that time period too?

 

I don't think tear-down rebuilds are that much of a thing in the NFL, and I definitely don't think the Bears are going to do one. So really the best they can do is take their medicine and wait it out. Mineaswell roll out your vet-heavy defense and whatever band-aid QB you can find in 2020 and 2021 and wait for all the crap to flush out of the system. Then by 2022, you have all your draft picks, you have a relatively clean cap situation and you can start to pick up the pieces.

 

No top-notch coach or GM candidate is gonna want to come here until we get to that point anyway.

They have 2 2nds in 2020, theirs and Oakland. Using the traditional trade value chart, the combined values of those is something like a 20th overall pick right now, fwiw. So they definitely could make a trade like Hou and KC did for Watson and Mahomes.

 

Frankly I don't know how you ensure that things "flush out" if you stick with Pace. I think he'll be continue to be aggressive with trading picks. If you're McCaskey are you gonna overrule his draft trades? Give him some sort of ultimatum on his job future? Neither sounds like a good option. I think you have to ride with him or move on.

If you want to ensure things flush out, you may have to hand the next GM the depleted draft capital of Pace in 2020 and not wait it out. If that GM really feels a mini blow up is warranted they could at least probably stock up on some mid round picks with the talent base, flush out the cap with dead hits in 2020 and set up for a high pick value in 2021.

 

This is a good point.

 

The Bears are just so screwed. There's no good way to salvage it. You've got a bust QB, the coach who couldn't develop the bust QB, the GM who thought it was a good idea to pay a heavy price to trade up one spot to get the bust QB, and a bunch of empty holes in your draft pick continuum because you bet everything on your bust QB's cheap years.

 

If you fire Pace, what good GM candidate is gonna want to come to a team in this situation? You've got no QB, three out of four recent and future draft cycles were gutted by trades, and the cap hits on the defense are starting to pile up. If you don't fire Pace, you're just leaving the guy who created that situation in charge.

 

My doom boner is absolutely majestic right now. The best part is, I don't think the idea was even wrong. Obviously the execution was. But trying to get your franchise QB at no. 2 overall and then betting everything to build an elite defense for the two-year window where he is on his rookie contract? It was a great idea. High-risk, high-reward.

[WrigleyField 22]

Trading up next season just seems like throwing good money after bad. Their picks they have for 2020 right now are 2nd, 5th, 5th, 6th, 6th, 7th. There's not nearly enough there to get you a high first-round pick. So you're talking about the 2021 1st plus a bunch of other picks.

 

What do you think the 2022 Bears roster is gonna look like if they've had three gutted drafts in a row? Especially when they've also been building up toward some cap pain in that time period too?

 

I don't think tear-down rebuilds are that much of a thing in the NFL, and I definitely don't think the Bears are going to do one. So really the best they can do is take their medicine and wait it out. Mineaswell roll out your vet-heavy defense and whatever band-aid QB you can find in 2020 and 2021 and wait for all the crap to flush out of the system. Then by 2022, you have all your draft picks, you have a relatively clean cap situation and you can start to pick up the pieces.

 

No top-notch coach or GM candidate is gonna want to come here until we get to that point anyway.

They have 2 2nds in 2020, theirs and Oakland. Using the traditional trade value chart, the combined values of those is something like a 20th overall pick right now, fwiw. So they definitely could make a trade like Hou and KC did for Watson and Mahomes.

 

Frankly I don't know how you ensure that things "flush out" if you stick with Pace. I think he'll be continue to be aggressive with trading picks. If you're McCaskey are you gonna overrule his draft trades? Give him some sort of ultimatum on his job future? Neither sounds like a good option. I think you have to ride with him or move on.

If you want to ensure things flush out, you may have to hand the next GM the depleted draft capital of Pace in 2020 and not wait it out. If that GM really feels a mini blow up is warranted they could at least probably stock up on some mid round picks with the talent base, flush out the cap with dead hits in 2020 and set up for a high pick value in 2021.

 

This is a good point.

 

The Bears are just so screwed. There's no good way to salvage it. You've got a bust QB, the coach who couldn't develop the bust QB, the GM who thought it was a good idea to pay a heavy price to trade up one spot to get the bust QB, and a bunch of empty holes in your draft pick continuum because you bet everything on your bust QB's cheap years.

 

If you fire Pace, what good GM candidate is gonna want to come to a team in this situation? You've got no QB, three out of four recent and future draft cycles were gutted by trades, and the cap hits on the defense are starting to pile up. If you don't fire Pace, you're just leaving the guy who created that situation in charge.

 

My doom boner is absolutely majestic right now. The best part is, I don't think the idea was even wrong. Obviously the execution was. But trying to get your franchise QB at no. 2 overall and then betting everything to build an elite defense for the two-year window where he is on his rookie contract? It was a great idea. High-risk, high-reward.

Eh, I think good GM candidates being scared away is an overrated concern. Guys only stay when they know they have the reigns immenently waiting for them like the Ravens guy.

 

Plus GMs are rarely "hot" candidates. It's not like Head Coaches where you just follow the top coordinators get promotions.

[BigbadB]

I’m watching Fitzmagic dissect the decent Steelers defense. What kind of draft pick would it take for him. They are probably only playing him now to showcase him for trade. He seems like someone who could just step right in. He’s a veteran with a solid arm.

[WrigleyField 22]

I’m watching Fitzmagic dissect the decent Steelers defense. What kind of draft pick would it take for him. They are probably only playing him now to showcase him for trade. He seems like someone who could just step right in. He’s a veteran with a solid arm.

You trying to salvage this year? It's an uphill climb with a top 10 QB at this point, let alone a journeyman.

[BigbadB]

I’m watching Fitzmagic dissect the decent Steelers defense. What kind of draft pick would it take for him. They are probably only playing him now to showcase him for trade. He seems like someone who could just step right in. He’s a veteran with a solid arm.

You trying to salvage this year? It's an uphill climb with a top 10 QB at this point, let alone a journeyman.

 

I am. But I don’t think they need a top 10 QB. Just a competent one like Fitzpatrick. Wishful thinking.

[minnesotacubsfan]

I’m watching Fitzmagic dissect the decent Steelers defense. What kind of draft pick would it take for him. They are probably only playing him now to showcase him for trade. He seems like someone who could just step right in. He’s a veteran with a solid arm.

 

 

Fitzmagic who fell apart against Shitsburgh? No thanks

[jersey cubs fan]

Ever the optimist

 

[BigbadB]

I’m watching Fitzmagic dissect the decent Steelers defense. What kind of draft pick would it take for him. They are probably only playing him now to showcase him for trade. He seems like someone who could just step right in. He’s a veteran with a solid arm.

 

 

Fitzmagic who fell apart against horsefeathers? No thanks

 

He's playing on the worst team in the league and against a top 5 defense in the league. But let's keep throwing Trubisky out there because it's working so well.

[BigbadB]

The latest story is Pineiro wanted the ball in the center of the field for that kick, and had it been in the middle of the field, he would have made it. Instead, it was hiked from the left hash mark and the ball went wide left. Herein lies the problem. Mr. Pineiro has basically just thrown Nagy under the bus by explaining this detail to the media. So on top of bad play calling, it appears that Nagy may be losing his team. But, let's go back to the 43 second mark where the clock was stopped on a Charger time out where Coach, QB and anyone else involved with decision making processes were huddled on the sideline discussing what to do. We already know that running or passing was not an option because Nagy declared that to be so. Let's just take a knee and kick. Absolutely no thought of asking the kicker where he would like the ball placed? Even if they didn't think about it at that time, maybe while the clock was slowly winding down someone could have said, hey, where do we want the ball? There were still two plays to get the ball where the kicker preferred it. Nagy should have already known where Pineiro prefers to kick from.

 

Yes, I'm very bitter about this loss.

[minnesotacubsfan]

The latest story is Pineiro wanted the ball in the center of the field for that kick, and had it been in the middle of the field, he would have made it. Instead, it was hiked from the left hash mark and the ball went wide left. Herein lies the problem. Mr. Pineiro has basically just thrown Nagy under the bus by explaining this detail to the media. So on top of bad play calling, it appears that Nagy may be losing his team. But, let's go back to the 43 second mark where the clock was stopped on a Charger time out where Coach, QB and anyone else involved with decision making processes were huddled on the sideline discussing what to do. We already know that running or passing was not an option because Nagy declared that to be so. Let's just take a knee and kick. Absolutely no thought of asking the kicker where he would like the ball placed? Even if they didn't think about it at that time, maybe while the clock was slowly winding down someone could have said, hey, where do we want the ball? There were still two plays to get the ball where the kicker preferred it. Nagy should have already known where Pineiro prefers to kick from.

 

Yes, I'm very bitter about this loss.

 

 

a 41 yard fg kick should be placed left, center or right in the NFL and be pretty close to a gimme, so Pineiro can kiss my ass. That doesn't excuse Nagy, he's an idiot for not trying for more with that much time left, but it sounds like Pineiro is just saying horsefeathers to provide cover for himself.

[minnesotacubsfan]

I’m watching Fitzmagic dissect the decent Steelers defense. What kind of draft pick would it take for him. They are probably only playing him now to showcase him for trade. He seems like someone who could just step right in. He’s a veteran with a solid arm.

 

 

Fitzmagic who fell apart against horsefeathers? No thanks

 

He's playing on the worst team in the league and against a top 5 defense in the league. But let's keep throwing Trubisky out there because it's working so well.

 

making a trade for Fitzpatrick would be trading for the definition of a slightly below average nfl quarterback, for the sake of ditching a slightly below average nfl quarterback. whats the horsefeathering point?

[jersey cubs fan]

The latest story is Pineiro wanted the ball in the center of the field for that kick, and had it been in the middle of the field, he would have made it. Instead, it was hiked from the left hash mark and the ball went wide left. Herein lies the problem. Mr. Pineiro has basically just thrown Nagy under the bus by explaining this detail to the media. So on top of bad play calling, it appears that Nagy may be losing his team. But, let's go back to the 43 second mark where the clock was stopped on a Charger time out where Coach, QB and anyone else involved with decision making processes were huddled on the sideline discussing what to do. We already know that running or passing was not an option because Nagy declared that to be so. Let's just take a knee and kick. Absolutely no thought of asking the kicker where he would like the ball placed? Even if they didn't think about it at that time, maybe while the clock was slowly winding down someone could have said, hey, where do we want the ball? There were still two plays to get the ball where the kicker preferred it. Nagy should have already known where Pineiro prefers to kick from.

 

Yes, I'm very bitter about this loss.

 

 

a 41 yard fg kick should be placed left, center or right in the NFL and be pretty close to a gimme, so Pineiro can kiss my ass. That doesn't excuse Nagy, he's an idiot for not trying for more with that much time left, but it sounds like Pineiro is just saying horsefeathers to provide cover for himself.

A 41 yard FG is in no way shape or form a gimme.

[WrigleyField 22]

The latest story is Pineiro wanted the ball in the center of the field for that kick, and had it been in the middle of the field, he would have made it. Instead, it was hiked from the left hash mark and the ball went wide left. Herein lies the problem. Mr. Pineiro has basically just thrown Nagy under the bus by explaining this detail to the media. So on top of bad play calling, it appears that Nagy may be losing his team. But, let's go back to the 43 second mark where the clock was stopped on a Charger time out where Coach, QB and anyone else involved with decision making processes were huddled on the sideline discussing what to do. We already know that running or passing was not an option because Nagy declared that to be so. Let's just take a knee and kick. Absolutely no thought of asking the kicker where he would like the ball placed? Even if they didn't think about it at that time, maybe while the clock was slowly winding down someone could have said, hey, where do we want the ball? There were still two plays to get the ball where the kicker preferred it. Nagy should have already known where Pineiro prefers to kick from.

 

Yes, I'm very bitter about this loss.

 

 

a 41 yard fg kick should be placed left, center or right in the NFL and be pretty close to a gimme, so Pineiro can kiss my ass. That doesn't excuse Nagy, he's an idiot for not trying for more with that much time left, but it sounds like Pineiro is just saying horsefeathers to provide cover for himself.

A 41 yard FG is in no way shape or form a gimme.

And hey, if they had 15 seconds and no timeouts, he gets what he gets, but that Nagy wasted all that time and didn't consult his kicker... Yeesh