Manny Machado Traded to the Dodgers

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The only reason I haven't completely lost my mind is because I know Theo isn't as dumb as these people.

 

Theo is very smart, but he's also a risk-taker. I'm sure he's thinking about some way to fleece Baltimore again lol.

[Aaron_Kennelly]

The only reason I haven't completely lost my mind is because I know Theo isn't as dumb as these people.

 

Theo is very smart, but he's also a risk-taker. I'm sure he's thinking about some way to fleece Baltimore again lol.

 

Oh for sure. He's going to be in on Machado, as he should be. But I know he won't do anything as stupid as Baez or Russell + Monty for a rental.

[Regular Show]

The only reason I haven't completely lost my mind is because I know Theo isn't as dumb as these people.

 

Theo is very smart, but he's also a risk-taker. I'm sure he's thinking about some way to fleece Baltimore again lol.

 

Oh for sure. He's going to be in on Machado, as he should be. But I know he won't do anything as stupid as Baez or Russell + Monty for a rental.

 

Yeah, I'm okay with giving up Monty + Justin Wilson + Bote + pitching prospects or some combination of that right now, but definitely not Baez + Monty or Russell + Monty. I'd also definitely want Britton or Givens coming back.

 

I really like Mychal Givens and I'm surprised more people don't mention him here. He produced 2.3 bWAR last year and I think he's capable of being a high-leverage reliever/Closer.

[davell]

 

Theo is very smart, but he's also a risk-taker. I'm sure he's thinking about some way to fleece Baltimore again lol.

 

Oh for sure. He's going to be in on Machado, as he should be. But I know he won't do anything as stupid as Baez or Russell + Monty for a rental.

 

Yeah, I'm okay with giving up Monty + Justin Wilson + Bote + pitching prospects or some combination of that right now, but definitely not Baez + Monty or Russell + Monty. I'd also definitely want Britton or Givens coming back.

 

I really like Mychal Givens and I'm surprised more people don't mention him here. He produced 2.3 bWAR last year and I think he's capable of being a high-leverage reliever/Closer.

 

 

Wait, what? You want Machado for Monty, JUSTIN WILSON, Bote, and pitching prospects? AND you want Britton or Givens coming back too?

 

What non-existent pitching prospects do we have to conjure up for this? Because we don't have it. That's for sure.

 

I'm ok if people don't want to trade Addy. Personally, I'm ok if we do. Because we'd keep Manny, if we dealt for him. No doubt in my mind.

 

That said, Addy isn't what Baltimore needs. He doesn't have enough team control for a team to go thru a rebuild with.....

 

My guess is Happ is who we'd use as the main piece. With Monty. And probably their choice of Lange or Little. With Zagunis too. But, we get 3.750,000 of their IFA money.

 

Play Machado at 3B, move KB to RF full time. Let him play some SS, when Addy gets a day off. He'll be happy here and we can keep him.....

[Regular Show]

So Justin Wilson has no value to Baltimore -- I know that. It would have to be some three-team trade where Justin Wilson goes to Team C and they send a couple prospects to Baltimore. You're not getting a whole lot for Wilson right now.

 

I think we have the pitching prospects to get a deal done. Most of them have been disappointing, but that doesn't mean they don't have value.

 

I go back and forth on my willingness to trade Addison right now. He's very valuable and has a high upside. Do I think he'll reach his ceiling with the bat? No, but I never thought he'd be this valuable on defense when he was in the minors either. Machado is better at 3B long-term so I'm not sure about his fit on this team. Right now, the defensive metrics say Machado is pretty bad at SS. Do you want to trade defense for offense?

 

Maybe, but I'm also not sure if Machado can keep up this level of offense going forward. This might be his career best season.

[Cubswin11]

So Justin Wilson has no value to Baltimore -- I know that. It would have to be some three-team trade where Justin Wilson goes to Team C and they send a couple prospects to Baltimore. You're not getting a whole lot for Wilson right now.

 

I think we have the pitching prospects to get a deal done. Most of them have been disappointing, but that doesn't mean they don't have value.

 

I go back and forth on my willingness to trade Addison right now. He's very valuable and has a high upside. Do I think he'll reach his ceiling with the bat? No, but I never thought he'd be this valuable on defense when he was in the minors either. Machado is better at 3B long-term so I'm not sure about his fit on this team. Right now, the defensive metrics say Machado is pretty bad at SS. Do you want to trade defense for offense?

 

Maybe, but I'm also not sure if Machado can keep up this level of offense going forward. This might be his career best season.

Yeah Machado at SS scares me, defensively. He’s been awful there. It’s also more likely Russell does something on defense in the playoffs that Machado just can’t do that helps us win than it is Machado is “that” much better of a hitter vs Russell in the playoffs.

[Regular Show]

So Justin Wilson has no value to Baltimore -- I know that. It would have to be some three-team trade where Justin Wilson goes to Team C and they send a couple prospects to Baltimore. You're not getting a whole lot for Wilson right now.

 

I think we have the pitching prospects to get a deal done. Most of them have been disappointing, but that doesn't mean they don't have value.

 

I go back and forth on my willingness to trade Addison right now. He's very valuable and has a high upside. Do I think he'll reach his ceiling with the bat? No, but I never thought he'd be this valuable on defense when he was in the minors either. Machado is better at 3B long-term so I'm not sure about his fit on this team. Right now, the defensive metrics say Machado is pretty bad at SS. Do you want to trade defense for offense?

 

Maybe, but I'm also not sure if Machado can keep up this level of offense going forward. This might be his career best season.

Yeah Machado at SS scares me, defensively. He’s been awful there. It’s also more likely Russell does something on defense in the playoffs that Machado just can’t do that helps us win than it is Machado is “that” much better of a hitter vs Russell in the playoffs.

 

To be fair, it is possible that Machado is indeed that much better of a hitter over Russell to swing a short series (which could mean the difference between moving on or going home in the playoffs).

[davell]

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Lol

[Rex Buckingham]

Was on the fence before, but now I really want him.

[javy knows my name]

 

Lol

 

This is like christmas come early. Javy doesn't know names and Manny doesn't know teams

[jersey cubs fan]

 

Lol

 

This is like christmas come early. Javy doesn't know names and Manny doesn't know teams

Yeah well Harper doesn't know memes

[UMFan83]

So Justin Wilson has no value to Baltimore -- I know that. It would have to be some three-team trade where Justin Wilson goes to Team C and they send a couple prospects to Baltimore. You're not getting a whole lot for Wilson right now.

 

i dont think Justin Wilson has any value to anyone right now. Maybe I'm playing up his struggles too much but he's 1-2 bad outings from a DFA in my opinion.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

So Justin Wilson has no value to Baltimore -- I know that. It would have to be some three-team trade where Justin Wilson goes to Team C and they send a couple prospects to Baltimore. You're not getting a whole lot for Wilson right now.

 

i dont think Justin Wilson has any value to anyone right now. Maybe I'm playing up his struggles too much but he's 1-2 bad outings from a DFA in my opinion.

 

He’s probably got minimal trade value because of the bad control and bad stretch with the Cubs but Wilson has a 3.44 ERA on the season and a 1.04 ERA in May. He’s not going to be DFA’d after 1-2 bad outings.

[Sammy Sofa]

He’s probably got minimal trade value because of the bad control and bad stretch with the Cubs but Wilson has a 3.44 ERA on the season and a 1.04 ERA in May.

 

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[Transmogrified Tiger]

Getting real close to just not wanting Machado as a rule.

[squally1313]

It's so annoying that the dumbest horsefeathering people in Chicago media basically created this story out of nowhere.

[Thrilho]

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Word is George Ofman doesn’t have any sources. He does know the names of a few Cubs pitching prospects though, which helps when you want to throw horsefeathers at the wall and see if anyone pretends it has a chance of sticking.

[imb]

Word is the orioles want Russell, obviously, and *furiously searching baseball reference* umm Mike Bielecki????

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Do they want those players or do they want the privilege to fail them on their physicals when the deal gets close?

[toonsterwu]

I have no doubt the Orioles are interested in those guys, but these seems like lazy speculation. Orioles have made it known they want pitching prospects (and supposedly 2), and those 5 guys tended to be the top 5 pitching prospects named entering the season for the Cubs. While I'm not averse to some sort of Russell/Machado deal if the situation/deal is right, I'm not so sure I would go so all-in on a Machado deal to offer up say ... Russell/Alzolay/? unless the deal was expanded.

 

If the Cubs makes this move, with their emphasis on defense, then the guess would have to be that their internal metrics suggest Machado can be better than he's shown so far at short, which is possible. At the end of the day, I really think other teams will step to the forefront and offer more, or stuff that's more enticing, but ... it's plausible that someone like Alzolay could be one of the better pitching prospects offered. Too many teams could conceivably go after Machado, with so many teams in the race. Still think the Diamondbacks make a ton of sense, provided the price isn't too steep (and while their system has improved, it's still thin at the top, and Duplantier is probably not being moved). A package of Widener/Chisholm might be fairly enticing. Rockies seem like a team that could potentially look into it, with their pitching focus on internal guys. Phillies have been oft-mentioned. I don't particularly buy the Mets, Giants (don't think they have the depth to swing the deal), or Dodgers, but I guess they can't be ruled out. There's obviously the Cards/Brewers, and then there's some AL Central and West teams, assuming Angelos doesn't deal in the division.

 

Of course, the Orioles front office is arguably either the worst in baseball, or so hampered by ownership that they appear to be the worst, and with Brady in the wings, who knows what happens. Duquette made a comment the other week, a dumb comment, about Machado and keeping him if he's in the Triple Crown race (although there's some thought that the sentiment was just talk aimed at trying to somewhat build leverage ... still, it was just stupid and unnecessary). Keeping him last year was fine - they backed into a playoff spot 2 years ago and had an aging core. Keeping him this winter was stupid, and one wonders if they'll just bungle it again.

[Bear Cub]

When did Ofman get in the inner circle of trade rumors?

[ScrubMD]

The fact that he's going out on such a limb makes me think there might be something to this. To add the specific detail that the Orioles could want the players that mlb.com lists as our top pitching prospects (including "Alberto's") is what makes this rumor pass the smell test to me.

[Andy]

I won't believe a word of this until NoCode tells us it's a done deal.