#NotAllPitchers

[jersey cubs fan]

[Cubswin11]

Or, you know, maybe they’re being pushed towards it because the science behind it has improved greatly over the years and the recovery/success rate is extremely high to get back to full strength and pitching again within 8-16 months. It’s the safer bet than trying any of the other rehab paths that guys have tried that usually fail and they end up needing TJ anyways and losing more time/money.

 

But yeah it’s more likely it is somehow a collusion tactic to hold guys back for reasons.

[UMFan83]

 

Yikes

[Cubswin11]

Giving him that extension made no horsefeathering sense

[Cubswin11]

So Sale had a PRP injection last August after a start he felt something. Now it seems like TJ is coming. That just doesn’t seem to work in healing a guy once he gets to a certain point, maybe it has use in rehab after surgery or even as a preventative thing taking one when healthy every year/few months/during offseason or whatever the regimen would be. But it seems like complete junk when it comes to repairing an already broken ligament or once it reaches a certain point of being too damaged.

[Cubswin11]

 

Also they extended a perrenial AS and CY candidate for ages 30-34, there's so many way way worse ideas out there...If he's done as a 200 inning guy that sucks yah, but even a diminished Sale was throwing up a 3.39 FIP in 2019 so he's still a beast so long as pitching

Extending him still seemed extremely forced and unnecessary. Considering he was starting to get hurt in 2018 and by the WS couldn’t even start games. They had him controlled for 2019 anyways, it seemed unnecessary especially since they didn’t get him at a discount or anything. I know he was mostly good last year but now he might be dead. Extending him also likely cost them the ability to keep Mookie, so yeah.

[Cubswin11]

Extending him still seemed extremely forced and unnecessary. Considering he was starting to get hurt in 2018 and by the WS couldn’t even start games. They had him controlled for 2019 anyways, it seemed unnecessary especially since they didn’t get him at a discount or anything. I know he was mostly good last year but now he might be dead. Extending him also likely cost them the ability to keep Mookie, so yeah.

 

A 5 year deal for someone at Sale's age, relative health, pedigree and crazy performance track record was a discount

5/145 starting in his age 31 year I don’t think is much of a discount when they knew his health was in question. The track record only matters so much when he hasn’t been able to stay healthy in the most recent years.

[Cubswin11]

/145 starting in his age 31 year I don’t think is much of a discount when they knew his health was in question. The track record only matters so much when he hasn’t been able to stay healthy in the most recent years.

 

How many guys with almost 40 WAR and 1400 innings in a 6-7 year span are signing just 5 years at 30? He was coming off a 7 rWAR season and a WS win. It was a discount

But he was showing signs of injury (he missed time during 2018) and only threw 5 innings in the WS and couldn’t make a start in the final few games when needed. He got what his questionable health situation dictated, imo, probably why he also accepted a “discount.” It was also dumb to give him such a deal knowing he was hurt when they had him controlled for last year.

[Cubswin11]

But he was showing signs of injury (he missed time during 2018) and only threw 5 innings in the WS and couldn’t make a start in the final few games when needed. He got what his questionable health situation dictated, imo, probably why he also accepted a “discount.” It was also dumb to give him such a deal knowing he was hurt when they had him controlled for last year.

 

The guy threw up almost 7 WAR in 2018, his 6-7th monster season in a row before 30. All pitchers have their non-surgery arm nonsense or much worse, extremely few produce like a Sale. That deal to that level of talent couldn't be less of an issue to a team like Boston, even at 160 innings rather than 200 a season

And he didn’t make a start after August 13th in 2018 and wasn’t nearly his normal self in the playoffs and couldn’t even start some games BECAUSE HE WAS HURT. His final 10 starts of 2018 he had an ERA over 5 and FIP over 4. The most recent info they had on him before the extension was he was slipping and hurt. What he did 2+ years priors should’ve had little influence on the extension, especially when they had him for another year before he hit FA. Then he got hurt again last year and now might be done for 1+ years.

 

I’m not arguing Sale isn’t a remarkably talented pitcher and he likely can be effective to some degree even as he ages/stuff diminishes. I just don’t get the logic in giving him 5/145 off of 2018 with the question marks when you had him already for 2019. If you’re willing able to do 5/145 with all the red flags, you should be able to go 5-6/180-200+ if he got through 2019 as his normal self once he hit FA. Also it’s just horrible planning with them pulling back on spending because it played a major role in them moving Mookie.

[Cubswin11]

And he didn’t make a start after August 13th in 2018 and wasn’t nearly his normal self in the playoffs and couldn’t even start some games BECAUSE HE WAS HURT. His final 10 starts of 2018 he had an ERA over 5 and FIP over 4. The most recent info they had on him before the extension was he was slipping and hurt.

 

Why do have this weird belief that this is the only relevant info? He came back in 2019 and dropped a 3.39 FIP and had a whole crazy body of work. We're not talking some pop up guy this is a pitcher who was legit in the convo for best in baseball most of the decade. It's not like they were ignoring his injury, hence 5 years, but you don't lose Chris Sale on ten random starts and one non-catastrophic probably fairly generic pitcher injury

It’s not the only relevant info but should have carried significant weight and because that’s when they extended him. Even though he was good in 2019, he still got hurt again and perhaps hurt himself to a point where he’s going to miss 1+ years now (by all accounts this elbow injury happened last year). Just seems like it wasn’t worth the risk to extend him when they did for minimal savings with controlling him in 2019 still.

[Cubswin11]

RIP

 

[Cubswin11]

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We could see the first pitcher to have TJS and still make his next scheduled start if this whole season is canned

[We Got The Whole 9]

I actually give Sale props for going a decade before needing the operation

[jersey cubs fan]

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[Clem Fandango]

#NotAllPitchers can get TJS at the moment

 

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/28976339/dr-andrews-temporarily-suspends-tommy-john-surgeries-amid-pandemic

 

Famed orthopedist Dr. James Andrews has made the decision to temporarily suspend performing Tommy John surgeries at his medical facility in Gulf Breeze, Florida, a spokesperson said.

 

"We are not performing any non-urgent or non-emergent procedures, including Tommy John surgery, in compliance with the governor's executive order," the spokesperson for the Andrews Institute for Orthopaedics and Sports Medicine told the Boston Globe. "We are adhering to these restrictions and all such cases are suspended at this time."

 

It would be so Mets if Syndergaard can't get TJS until this is over, pushing his return date back even further

[Transmogrified Tiger]

It would be so Mets if Syndergaard can't get TJS until this is over, pushing his return date back even further

 

Looks like Passan is saying he had it last week.

[Clem Fandango]

It would be so Mets if Syndergaard can't get TJS until this is over, pushing his return date back even further

 

Looks like Passan is saying he had it last week.

 

Good for Syndergaard, bad for cosmic Mets irony.

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[Bertz]

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This is pretty much why he was able to be had for an (admittedly fun) reliever. Sucks for the guy though. I feel like his game 1 of the World Series was some of the most impressive stuff I've ever seen.

[Clem Fandango]

Sucks. Kluber is fun to watch.

[Cubswin11]

[Cubswin11]

[Bertz]

That puts a lot of pressure on Carlos Martinez in the rotation. Something he hasn't done in nearly two years to the day, and something he hasn't been particularlu good at since 2017