Shohei Ohtani Signs with the Angels

[Bull]

 

You only have to get him 100-200 ABs once. If he can't hang, he's smart enough to know. Or maybe he's such a freak that he'll just make himself better.

 

Or maybe you get a 14 WAR player. It literally doesn't matter. Promise him whatever it takes to get him here. If he can't do it well enough, keep him out of the lineup. What's he gonna do, retire?

 

Exactly. Like I said, a bunch of AB's in the 100+ range makes sense; lie, lie, lie.

 

100+ isn't enough. A NL starting pitcher gets about 70-80 PAs in a season hitting 9th on the days they start.

 

Promise him whatever he wants and let him actually do it for the first season. If he sucks offensively then you transition him to a more traditional role in year 2. I'd suggest letting him start every 6th game as a pitcher, get about 40 starts in the OF/DH and then be available to pinch hit the other days. That would get him 27ish starts and 250-300 or so PAs. That's about the same number of PAs that he had each year in Japan.

 

But I wouldn't lie. Let him do whatever it takes to get him here and his performance will decide how to move forward after year 1.

Arrieta led the team with 61 ABs last year. A Lora had 299. Somewhere in between is probably about right. Let him take TLS’s 125.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

 

Exactly. Like I said, a bunch of AB's in the 100+ range makes sense; lie, lie, lie.

 

100+ isn't enough. A NL starting pitcher gets about 70-80 PAs in a season hitting 9th on the days they start.

 

Promise him whatever he wants and let him actually do it for the first season. If he sucks offensively then you transition him to a more traditional role in year 2. I'd suggest letting him start every 6th game as a pitcher, get about 40 starts in the OF/DH and then be available to pinch hit the other days. That would get him 27ish starts and 250-300 or so PAs. That's about the same number of PAs that he had each year in Japan.

 

But I wouldn't lie. Let him do whatever it takes to get him here and his performance will decide how to move forward after year 1.

Arrieta led the team with 61 ABs last year. A Lora had 299. Somewhere in between is probably about right. Let him take TLS’s 125.

uh, seal MAN put up some damn good numbers. he may need a few more ABs, not less

[CP_414]

 

Exactly. Like I said, a bunch of AB's in the 100+ range makes sense; lie, lie, lie.

 

100+ isn't enough. A NL starting pitcher gets about 70-80 PAs in a season hitting 9th on the days they start.

 

Promise him whatever he wants and let him actually do it for the first season. If he sucks offensively then you transition him to a more traditional role in year 2. I'd suggest letting him start every 6th game as a pitcher, get about 40 starts in the OF/DH and then be available to pinch hit the other days. That would get him 27ish starts and 250-300 or so PAs. That's about the same number of PAs that he had each year in Japan.

 

But I wouldn't lie. Let him do whatever it takes to get him here and his performance will decide how to move forward after year 1.

Arrieta led the team with 61 ABs last year. A Lora had 299. Somewhere in between is probably about right. Let him take TLS’s 125.

 

You are looking at ABs not PAs. Lester had 65 PAs and all the Cubs starters had injuries last year. Arrieta had 70 and 83 PAs the 2 previous years and Lester had 75 and 71 over those years. 70-80 is a fair estimate of PAs for a good starting pitcher hitting 9th (sometimes 8th). I imagine Ohtani would also be pinch hit for less than those guys.

 

If he wants 300 PAs, give him 300 PAs for a year. Don't lie. Don't say no. Just do it for a while and see how it goes. If he gets a chance and can't hit then make him a pitcher, but if he asks for an opportunity to do both then let him. That's the trade off. You get a #1 starter for 300k but you have to give him more PAs. I'm sure every team can deal with that trade off.

[champaignchris]

Other than the Yankees, what AL competitor actually has DH at bats to give?

 

The Mariners, for example, can’t exactly promise 600 plate appearances to Ohtani when they’ve got Nelson Cruz already in the DH slot.

 

Other than the Yankees and Houston, I don’t see an AL team (that doesn’t completely suck) that could truthfully offer Ohtani more at bats than an NL team.

[Bull]

 

100+ isn't enough. A NL starting pitcher gets about 70-80 PAs in a season hitting 9th on the days they start.

 

Promise him whatever he wants and let him actually do it for the first season. If he sucks offensively then you transition him to a more traditional role in year 2. I'd suggest letting him start every 6th game as a pitcher, get about 40 starts in the OF/DH and then be available to pinch hit the other days. That would get him 27ish starts and 250-300 or so PAs. That's about the same number of PAs that he had each year in Japan.

 

But I wouldn't lie. Let him do whatever it takes to get him here and his performance will decide how to move forward after year 1.

Arrieta led the team with 61 ABs last year. A Lora had 299. Somewhere in between is probably about right. Let him take TLS’s 125.

 

You are looking at ABs not PAs. Lester had 65 PAs and all the Cubs starters had injuries last year. Arrieta had 70 and 83 PAs the 2 previous years and Lester had 75 and 71 over those years. 70-80 is a fair estimate of PAs for a good starting pitcher hitting 9th (sometimes 8th). I imagine Ohtani would also be pinch hit for less than those guys.

 

If he wants 300 PAs, give him 300 PAs for a year. Don't lie. Don't say no. Just do it for a while and see how it goes. If he gets a chance and can't hit then make him a pitcher, but if he asks for an opportunity to do both then let him. That's the trade off. You get a #1 starter for 300k but you have to give him more PAs. I'm sure every team can deal with that trade off.

meh, the original post by Sammy said ABs and I didn’t feel that I needed to provide any more info to make my point. None of the numbers you threw out were 100+.

 

And “don’t lie. Don’t say no” is ridiculous. The man sent questionnaires out asking how teams were going to integrate him both pitching and hitting. You really think the way you “didn’t lie” to your parents in high school works here?

[CP_414]

Arrieta led the team with 61 ABs last year. A Lora had 299. Somewhere in between is probably about right. Let him take TLS’s 125.

 

You are looking at ABs not PAs. Lester had 65 PAs and all the Cubs starters had injuries last year. Arrieta had 70 and 83 PAs the 2 previous years and Lester had 75 and 71 over those years. 70-80 is a fair estimate of PAs for a good starting pitcher hitting 9th (sometimes 8th). I imagine Ohtani would also be pinch hit for less than those guys.

 

If he wants 300 PAs, give him 300 PAs for a year. Don't lie. Don't say no. Just do it for a while and see how it goes. If he gets a chance and can't hit then make him a pitcher, but if he asks for an opportunity to do both then let him. That's the trade off. You get a #1 starter for 300k but you have to give him more PAs. I'm sure every team can deal with that trade off.

meh, the original post by Sammy said ABs and I didn’t feel that I needed to provide any more info to make my point. None of the numbers you threw out were 100+.

 

And “don’t lie. Don’t say no” is ridiculous. The man sent questionnaires out asking how teams were going to integrate him both pitching and hitting. You really think the way you “didn’t lie” to your parents in high school works here?

 

What? I said PAs and you tried to correct me using a wrong number.

 

I don't understand your 2nd point at all. He asked how teams will use him so we should lie like a 16 year old trying to get drunk and laid? He wants to know how teams will integrate him to pitching and hitting...I don't know, maybe tell him how you plan to do that. If the dude wants to get 300 PAs and start 25-30 games as a SP like he did in NPB, then let him do that.

 

There are going to be other free agents. If you promise him the chance to hit and immediately go back on that everyone will know you don't negotiate in good faith. For a team that has had guys come here for less, stuff like that matters. His agent has other clients. Other GMs need to have some level of trust in you to make trades. You can't just be a scumbag and keep operating like it didn't happen.

Edited December 1, 2017 by CP_414

[CP_414]

Other than the Yankees, what AL competitor actually has DH at bats to give?

 

The Mariners, for example, can’t exactly promise 600 plate appearances to Ohtani when they’ve got Nelson Cruz already in the DH slot.

 

Other than the Yankees and Houston, I don’t see an AL team (that doesn’t completely suck) that could truthfully offer Ohtani more at bats than an NL team.

 

Everyone can give him at bats. He's not going to get 600 and start 30 games, but he can get 300. The Mariners will gladly put Cruz in the OF for 50 games to get Ohtani. They've already said this publicly.

 

Everyone is going to let him try to hit if he wants to.

[Bull]

 

You are looking at ABs not PAs. Lester had 65 PAs and all the Cubs starters had injuries last year. Arrieta had 70 and 83 PAs the 2 previous years and Lester had 75 and 71 over those years. 70-80 is a fair estimate of PAs for a good starting pitcher hitting 9th (sometimes 8th). I imagine Ohtani would also be pinch hit for less than those guys.

 

If he wants 300 PAs, give him 300 PAs for a year. Don't lie. Don't say no. Just do it for a while and see how it goes. If he gets a chance and can't hit then make him a pitcher, but if he asks for an opportunity to do both then let him. That's the trade off. You get a #1 starter for 300k but you have to give him more PAs. I'm sure every team can deal with that trade off.

meh, the original post by Sammy said ABs and I didn’t feel that I needed to provide any more info to make my point. None of the numbers you threw out were 100+.

 

And “don’t lie. Don’t say no” is ridiculous. The man sent questionnaires out asking how teams were going to integrate him both pitching and hitting. You really think the way you “didn’t lie” to your parents in high school works here?

 

What? I said PAs and you tried to correct me using a wrong number.

 

I don't understand your 2nd point at all. He asked how teams will use him so we should lie like a 16 year old trying to get drunk and laid? He wants to know how teams will integrate him to pitching and hitting...I don't know, maybe tell him how you plan to do that. If the dude wants to get 300 PAs and start 25-30 games as a SP like he did in NPB, then let him do that.

 

There are going to be other free agents. If you promise him the chance to hit and immediately go back on that everyone will know you don't negotiate in good faith. For a team that has had guys come here for less, stuff like that matters. His agent has other clients. Other GMs need to have some level of trust in you to make trades. You can't just be a scumbag and keep operating like it didn't happen.

 

I took your "Don't lie. Don't say no." to mean "Don't lie, just don't tell the truth." Which is why I was accusing YOU of suggesting we lie like a 16 year old. I'm glad to realize you think thats as stupid as I think it is.

[UMFan83]

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Theo was last seen telling Yu Darvish to horsefeathers off

 

[Bobson Dugnutt]

That Maeda’s some kind of something.

 

Boy this Maeda is all anyone’s ever talking about.

 

I’m so sick and tired of hearing about what a star that Maeda is.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

That Maeda’s some kind of something.

 

Boy this Maeda is all anyone’s ever talking about.

 

I’m so sick and tired of hearing about what a star that Maeda is.

 

Missed opportunity for a Maeda! Maeda! Maeda! reference, but I'll allow it.

 

Also, please please please be true.

[David]

with all the weird/unexpected preferences he seems to have, watch him end up on the reds or something

[imb]

[minnesotacubsfan]

 

I totally agree with him tbh

[Bobson Dugnutt]

That Maeda’s some kind of something.

 

Boy this Maeda is all anyone’s ever talking about.

 

I’m so sick and tired of hearing about what a star that Maeda is.

 

Missed opportunity for a Maeda! Maeda! Maeda! reference, but I'll allow it.

 

Also, please please please be true.

 

yeah, i'm kind of just waiting for this to be shot down.

[UMFan83]

 

DAMN! His troll game is on point

[Derwood]

 

"Multiple MLB Execs are making horsefeathers up to inflate their hopes of signing Ohtani"

[David]

Apparently, morosi was on MLB Network and basically said to keep an eye on the Cubs/don't rule them out on ohtani

 

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[minnesotacubsfan]

Show him the bling Theo

[Cubfanintheknow]

How hard would it be to cover “Jon Lester” with “Shohei Ohtani” in the recruitment video?

[David]

How hard would it be to cover “Jon Lester” with “Shohei Ohtani” in the recruitment video?

 

And then pretend we never won the world series

[minnesotacubsfan]

How hard would it be to cover “Jon Lester” with “Shohei Ohtani” in the recruitment video?

 

And then pretend we never won the world series

 

 

Lie lie lie until he signs

[UMFan83]

How hard would it be to cover “Jon Lester” with “Shohei Ohtani” in the recruitment video?

 

And then pretend we never won the world series

 

"You saw Ben Zobrist do what in the video? No...no that is a fake video you saw, it never happened. Have you seen Zobrist hit lately?"

[Transmogrified Tiger]

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