2016 Trade Deadline

[Agony and Ivy]

I probably missed his name being mentioned at some point, but does Zach Duke interest anyone here? He doesn't have much in the way of splits (lefties have been way better against him this year, but it was flipped last year). Nothing fancy, but he's cheap.

 

I would take him and McGee in a heartbeat over breaking the bank for Chapman and/or Miller.

[Agony and Ivy]

O'Dowd's Miller trade:

 

Torres, Happ and Almora

 

It looks like O'Dowd is trying to say 'Andrew Miller is not getting traded'. That's fine if the Yankees want to go that way, but even take the Cubs out of it, what team is going to give up that equivalent?

 

Unless it's the Indians nobody. And I highly doubt the Indians FO is stupid enough to include Frazier and Zimmer and someone else in a deal for Miller.

[UMFan83]

To piggyback on that adding Soler to that group I think is too much. A pure addition and having a deal based around Soler, Almora, Torres, and Happ could probably land almost any player in baseball with the exception of maybe Harper, Trout, Machado, and Kershaw.

 

Go look back on past deals for elite elite players and most dont bring a haul near that in value.

 

Find me a deadline deal where anyone near that caliber was traded at the deadline. It doesn't happen often. The market this year is different than last year and next year will be different than this one but in order to get both of those guys from New York it's going to take a ton.

 

My feeling on this is that the Yankees would get a bigger return trading them individually than if they traded them in a single package. I'm not sure if there is any logic behind that, but maybe something to do with scarcity of elite reliever supply gets cut significantly when they deal the first piece, causing teams to up their offers for the second one.

[Agony and Ivy]

To piggyback on that adding Soler to that group I think is too much. A pure addition and having a deal based around Soler, Almora, Torres, and Happ could probably land almost any player in baseball with the exception of maybe Harper, Trout, Machado, and Kershaw.

 

Go look back on past deals for elite elite players and most dont bring a haul near that in value.

 

Find me a deadline deal where anyone near that caliber was traded at the deadline. It doesn't happen often. The market this year is different than last year and next year will be different than this one but in order to get both of those guys from New York it's going to take a ton.

 

My feeling on this is that the Yankees would get a bigger return trading them individually than if they traded them in a single package. I'm not sure if there is any logic behind that, but maybe something to do with scarcity of elite reliever supply gets cut significantly when they deal the first piece, causing teams to up their offers for the second one.

 

I think you're probably correct.

 

Funny enough, I've spent more time talking about hypothetical trades during this deadline than any other one in my life and I have a sneaky suspicion it's going to be relatively quiet.

[sneakypower]

O'Dowd's Miller trade:

 

Torres, Happ, Almora

replace the commas with slashes and i still don't do it

 

oh well, so sad

[MarkR]

The reason that Almora is so valuable to us is that he's going to fill a clear positional need at a time when we'll need pre-arbitration eligible players with big raises coming soon. He allows us to spend in free agency to upgrade the rotation. I'm not all that familiar with Happ, other than it sounds like he might be blocked in the coming years. Would he, as the center of a package for Miller or straight up for Chapman, be a worthwhile endeavor?

[davell]

Happ isn't blocked at all. First, he's not likely to see the majors before the second half of next season. Maybe not until early 2018. But he can play 2B and the OF, so he'll fit right in with all the versatility we have. Zobrist COULD fall off at some point relatively soon and we've got the option of moving Javy or Happ into the 2B spot at that point, with the other filling the role Javy has now.

 

To me, Torres is the easiest of our top 3 prospects to move. He may finally be the Middle Infielder we can't find a spot for, by the time he's ready.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Torres is definitely the best thing to trade right now, although doing so for a reliever would be a bit of a waste of selling high. Torres, Vogelbach, and something for Betances would be kinda fun though.

[David]

i wish there were one single elite rental starting pitcher available so we could trade that type of package for him.

[Cubswin11]

How much would you need the D'Backs to eat to be interested in a Greinke deal? Half? More?

[Ding Dong Johnson]

How much would you need the D'Backs to eat to be interested in a Greinke deal? Half? More?

I've wondered for a while if those dummies would be willing to eat some cash and also get an underwhelming return. seems like their way lately.

[davell]

How much would you need the D'Backs to eat to be interested in a Greinke deal? Half? More?

 

Just depends on what we can take on. I'd much prefer taking on the contract, in order to give up less talent. 30 mill a year though is a chunk. I doubt we've got THAT kind of flexibility and I doubt Stewart is going to give him up cheaply either.

[Post Count Padder]

I'd love to have Miller but I don't know that I offer up more than something like Vogelbach and Candelario. That's a good haul for the Yanks, with young guys who'd probably be on the roster next year. As big a fit Miller is, I don't like the idea of parting with a king's ransom for a reliever. I honestly like the idea of Doolittle or Will Smith more.

[MarkR]

I'd love to have Miller but I don't know that I offer up more than something like Vogelbach and Candelario. That's a good haul for the Yanks, with young guys who'd probably be on the roster next year. As big a fit Miller is, I don't like the idea of parting with a king's ransom for a reliever. I honestly like the idea of Doolittle or Will Smith more.

 

 

You're not paying for just a reliever for this season though. I understand the hesitation to give up a great package for a rental player, but Miller will be elite for this team for 2.5 years where our window is at its peak for being the alpha dog in the league. I highly doubt a package centered around Vogelbach would get it done for Miller.

[UMFan83]

http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/chicago-cubs-drew-pomeranz-javier-baez-kyle-schwarber-houston-astros-notes-071916

 

Summary: Cubs tried for Pomeranz, were planning on getting him and flipping him for another starter whose name hasn't been discussed. SD asked for Javy and Cubs said no

[Banedon]

http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/chicago-cubs-drew-pomeranz-javier-baez-kyle-schwarber-houston-astros-notes-071916

 

Summary: Cubs tried for Pomeranz, were planning on getting him and flipping him for another starter whose name hasn't been discussed. SD asked for Javy and Cubs said no

 

They asked for Javy, couldn't get him, and then traded him for an A ball pitcher? I mean, I know Espinoza is highly touted but seems like the Cubs are gonna be asked for more than other teams.

[David]

http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/chicago-cubs-drew-pomeranz-javier-baez-kyle-schwarber-houston-astros-notes-071916

 

Summary: Cubs tried for Pomeranz, were planning on getting him and flipping him for another starter whose name hasn't been discussed. SD asked for Javy and Cubs said no

 

They asked for Javy, couldn't get him, and then traded him for an A ball pitcher? I mean, I know Espinoza is highly touted but seems like the Cubs are gonna be asked for more than other teams.

 

I mean, he was BA's #19 prospect...not as highly rated by BP but that's pretty damn valuable. Not sure where Law had him midseason but he was pretty damn high on him too.

[Banedon]

http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/chicago-cubs-drew-pomeranz-javier-baez-kyle-schwarber-houston-astros-notes-071916

 

Summary: Cubs tried for Pomeranz, were planning on getting him and flipping him for another starter whose name hasn't been discussed. SD asked for Javy and Cubs said no

 

They asked for Javy, couldn't get him, and then traded him for an A ball pitcher? I mean, I know Espinoza is highly touted but seems like the Cubs are gonna be asked for more than other teams.

 

I mean, he was BA's #19 prospect...not as highly rated by BP but that's pretty damn valuable. Not sure where Law had him midseason but he was pretty damn high on him too.

 

Sure, but is that equivalent to a young major league multi-position infielder under team control for the next 5 years or whatever? I mean, I guess so since that's the way it went down.

[David]

 

They asked for Javy, couldn't get him, and then traded him for an A ball pitcher? I mean, I know Espinoza is highly touted but seems like the Cubs are gonna be asked for more than other teams.

 

I mean, he was BA's #19 prospect...not as highly rated by BP but that's pretty damn valuable. Not sure where Law had him midseason but he was pretty damn high on him too.

 

Sure, but is that equivalent to a young major league multi-position infielder under team control for the next 6 years or whatever? I mean, I guess so since that's the way it went down.

 

guess that depends on how good of a hitter you actually think javy is

[jersey cubs fan]

 

I mean, he was BA's #19 prospect...not as highly rated by BP but that's pretty damn valuable. Not sure where Law had him midseason but he was pretty damn high on him too.

 

Sure, but is that equivalent to a young major league multi-position infielder under team control for the next 6 years or whatever? I mean, I guess so since that's the way it went down.

 

guess that depends on how good of a hitter you actually think javy is

[Tedward]

Oh to be a fly on the wall in Theo/Jed discussions to know which pitcher they were looking to acquire with Pomeranz....

[Old Style]

seems like the Cubs are gonna be asked for more than other teams.

That's what I'm afraid of. I'm glad Theo & Jed are in charge but part of me worries that we won;t be able to make some very necessary deals because other teams think we will be desperate due to the history of the club and also because we have a ton of talent in the minors.

[Tedward]

Oh to be a fly on the wall in Theo/Jed discussions to know which pitcher they were looking to acquire with Pomeranz....

 

For fun, Cameron is speculating the Cubs target may have been Jose De Leon

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/lets-try-to-solve-a-mystery/

[Vinestal]

Oh to be a fly on the wall in Theo/Jed discussions to know which pitcher they were looking to acquire with Pomeranz....

 

For fun, Cameron is speculating the Cubs target may have been Jose De Leon

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/lets-try-to-solve-a-mystery/

I was just about to post about wondering if maybe they were targeting one of the Dodgers young pitching prospects. Seems like this might have made some sense.

[Bryants Disco Ball]

seems like the Cubs are gonna be asked for more than other teams.

That's what I'm afraid of. I'm glad Theo & Jed are in charge but part of me worries that we won;t be able to make some very necessary deals because other teams think we will be desperate due to the history of the club and also because we have a ton of talent in the minors.

 

The problem is that it seems teams are requesting players that are helping our MLB team rather than our guys in the minors, which isn't usually what a contending team is interested in doing.

 

I want to read about a rumor that involves Happ, Torres or even Eloy.