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[jersey cubs fan]

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[David]

don't know what you're talking about

[Brian]

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[UMFan83]

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we are soooo broke

[Brian]

Is there even any players that could have been realistically extended this offseason? (outside someone taking an insanely team friendly deal)

 

I think priority 1 should be Bryant, and I think it will happen, but you have to prove his shoulder isn't destroyed.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Is there even any players that could have been realistically extended this offseason? (outside someone taking an insanely team friendly deal)

 

I think priority 1 should be Bryant, and I think it will happen, but you have to prove his shoulder isn't destroyed.

 

Hendricks, probably Contreras

[squally1313]

Is there even any players that could have been realistically extended this offseason? (outside someone taking an insanely team friendly deal)

 

I think priority 1 should be Bryant, and I think it will happen, but you have to prove his shoulder isn't destroyed.

 

Yeah, going through the list I don't see a lot of options. I think you take a shot at Baez assuming his numbers come back down to earth. It's not really in Rizzo's best interest to extend a few more years...he either needs to sign a 'Cub for Life' deal at a relatively friendly price, or he should hit free agency before he gets too far into his 30s. Still have 4 more years of Contreras, which is about all you want. And then Schwarber/Happ/Almora still need to show more to justify going down that road.

 

Maybe Hendricks? Seems like he's going to stay pretty healthy as he gets older...give him a couple months into this season to show he can keep his performance up, and then give him a 5 year deal or so.

[Cubswin11]

Is there even any players that could have been realistically extended this offseason? (outside someone taking an insanely team friendly deal)

 

I think priority 1 should be Bryant, and I think it will happen, but you have to prove his shoulder isn't destroyed.

 

Yeah, going through the list I don't see a lot of options. I think you take a shot at Baez assuming his numbers come back down to earth. It's not really in Rizzo's best interest to extend a few more years...he either needs to sign a 'Cub for Life' deal at a relatively friendly price, or he should hit free agency before he gets too far into his 30s. Still have 4 more years of Contreras, which is about all you want. And then Schwarber/Happ/Almora still need to show more to justify going down that road.

Eh, starting next year he has 2 team options for $14.5 million. I could see a 5-6 year deal starting next year for ~$18 AAV (so only 3-4 new years) being in everyone's best interest with a few team/vesting/mutual options tacked on.

[Sammy Sofa]

It's a 100% lock that the Cubs are going to savagely and heartlessly kick tinyface to the curb unless he's willing to work literally for peanuts.

[squally1313]

Is there even any players that could have been realistically extended this offseason? (outside someone taking an insanely team friendly deal)

 

I think priority 1 should be Bryant, and I think it will happen, but you have to prove his shoulder isn't destroyed.

 

Yeah, going through the list I don't see a lot of options. I think you take a shot at Baez assuming his numbers come back down to earth. It's not really in Rizzo's best interest to extend a few more years...he either needs to sign a 'Cub for Life' deal at a relatively friendly price, or he should hit free agency before he gets too far into his 30s. Still have 4 more years of Contreras, which is about all you want. And then Schwarber/Happ/Almora still need to show more to justify going down that road.

Eh, starting next year he has 2 team options for $14.5 million. I could see a 5-6 year deal starting next year for ~$18 AAV (so only 3-4 new years) being in everyone's best interest with a few team/vesting/mutual options tacked on.

 

Yeah that sounds about right. He turns 30 in August...I assume he wants a contract that will get him into his late 30s. It's tough because he already took the 'discount' deal (albeit for very different reasons). This deal will give him $70m assuming we pick up his option. Throw another $60m-80m after that, and while he'll have been very underpaid for his career (has been worth $195m so far according to FG), certainly not a bad career.

[Andy]

Is there even any players that could have been realistically extended this offseason? (outside someone taking an insanely team friendly deal)

 

I think priority 1 should be Bryant, and I think it will happen, but you have to prove his shoulder isn't destroyed.

 

Hendricks, probably Contreras

If Contreras' agent had advised him to sign any extension with his value at its low point since arriving in MLB, I would hope he would be fired for malpractice.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Is there even any players that could have been realistically extended this offseason? (outside someone taking an insanely team friendly deal)

 

I think priority 1 should be Bryant, and I think it will happen, but you have to prove his shoulder isn't destroyed.

 

Hendricks, probably Contreras

If Contreras' agent had advised him to sign any extension with his value at its low point since arriving in MLB, I would hope he would be fired for malpractice.

 

That assumes that you're trying to extend Contreras as if he's last year's player forever. Sure you might discount some on his 2017 performance, but Willson hasn't made life changing money in MLB yet so there's some benefit to locking in on his end too.

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Hendricks, probably Contreras

If Contreras' agent had advised him to sign any extension with his value at its low point since arriving in MLB, I would hope he would be fired for malpractice.

 

That assumes that you're trying to extend Contreras as if he's last year's player forever. Sure you might discount some on his 2017 performance, but Willson hasn't made life changing money in MLB yet so there's some benefit to locking in on his end too.

 

Yep. Contreras is going to hit FA as a 30 year old catcher with 800 games under his belt. He won't be done, but he's not getting a long term deal. Meanwhile, if he comes out and repeats the second half of 2018, he might be out of baseball with what...$1.5m made in his career? You don't think he'd consider something like $50m or $60m for 6 years (using Bregman's deal as a starting point)?

[d_money]

If Contreras' agent had advised him to sign any extension with his value at its low point since arriving in MLB, I would hope he would be fired for malpractice.

 

That assumes that you're trying to extend Contreras as if he's last year's player forever. Sure you might discount some on his 2017 performance, but Willson hasn't made life changing money in MLB yet so there's some benefit to locking in on his end too.

 

Yep. Contreras is going to hit FA as a 30 year old catcher with 800 games under his belt. He won't be done, but he's not getting a long term deal. Meanwhile, if he comes out and repeats the second half of 2018, he might be out of baseball with what...$1.5m made in his career? You don't think he'd consider something like $50m or $60m for 6 years (using Bregman's deal as a starting point)?

For all we know, Contreras could be Geovany Soto part deaux. God I hope not.

[Bertz]

 

That assumes that you're trying to extend Contreras as if he's last year's player forever. Sure you might discount some on his 2017 performance, but Willson hasn't made life changing money in MLB yet so there's some benefit to locking in on his end too.

 

Yep. Contreras is going to hit FA as a 30 year old catcher with 800 games under his belt. He won't be done, but he's not getting a long term deal. Meanwhile, if he comes out and repeats the second half of 2018, he might be out of baseball with what...$1.5m made in his career? You don't think he'd consider something like $50m or $60m for 6 years (using Bregman's deal as a starting point)?

For all we know, Contreras could be Geovany Soto part deaux. God I hope not.

 

Catchers are a crap shoot. They're not as bad as pitchers, but they're like 70% of the way there.

[We Got The Whole 9]

Speaking of Contreras, fangraphs is now incorporating framing into catcher defense and Contreras' first 2 seasons now stand as 2.5 WAR years, and last year was 0.9.

 

Additionally Posey's 2012 season is now at 10.4.

[Omar]

Speaking of Contreras, fangraphs is now incorporating framing into catcher defense and Contreras' first 2 seasons now stand as 2.5 WAR years, and last year was 0.9.

 

Additionally Posey's 2012 season is now at 10.4.

 

what about Montero?

[Cubswin11]

Speaking of Contreras, fangraphs is now incorporating framing into catcher defense and Contreras' first 2 seasons now stand as 2.5 WAR years, and last year was 0.9.

 

Additionally Posey's 2012 season is now at 10.4.

 

what about Montero?

Overall he got a 13+ WAR career boost. He went from 15.something to nearly 30.

[Regular Show]

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On ESPN.com in the stats section they have Roederer with this insane line: 1.000/1.000/6.000! :-o

 

So that's umm, a cool otherworldly 7.000 OPS.

[We Got The Whole 9]

Speaking of Contreras, fangraphs is now incorporating framing into catcher defense and Contreras' first 2 seasons now stand as 2.5 WAR years, and last year was 0.9.

 

Additionally Posey's 2012 season is now at 10.4.

 

what about Montero?

Overall he got a 13+ WAR career boost. He went from 15.something to nearly 30.

Yep, among the biggest increases

[Andy]

 

what about Montero?

Overall he got a 13+ WAR career boost. He went from 15.something to nearly 30.

Yep, among the biggest increases

I'm not here to trash framing stats, but it is really hard for me to believe it's so important that it makes Miguel Montero almost literally twice as good a baseball player as he was considered before it was included.

 

I also saw that Ryan Doumit's single-season WAR total in 2008 plunged from nearly 3 to -2.5 with framing included. That seems like quite a leap.

[biittner77]

If Contreras' agent had advised him to sign any extension with his value at its low point since arriving in MLB, I would hope he would be fired for malpractice.

 

That assumes that you're trying to extend Contreras as if he's last year's player forever. Sure you might discount some on his 2017 performance, but Willson hasn't made life changing money in MLB yet so there's some benefit to locking in on his end too.

 

Yep. Contreras is going to hit FA as a 30 year old catcher with 800 games under his belt. He won't be done, but he's not getting a long term deal. Meanwhile, if he comes out and repeats the second half of 2018, he might be out of baseball with what...$1.5m made in his career? You don't think he'd consider something like $50m or $60m for 6 years (using Bregman's deal as a starting point)?

 

There's a decent chance his bat might be good enough to play a corner OF or 1st.

[Bertz]

[Derwood]

New nachos for 2019:

 

 

 

[Backtobanks]

From MLBTR - Giants have released catcher Rene Rivera from his minor league contract, as reported by several members of the Giants beat (including NBC Sports Bay Area’s Alex Pavlovic). Do you think PTR can afford him on a minor league deal?