General Baseball Chit-Chat Thread

[imb]

in the list of fixes, just making it so you're not out because your foot popped off the bag for 1/20th of a second seems much more doable than reinventing the entire notion of bases

[Cubswin11]

in the list of fixes, just making it so you're not out because your foot popped off the bag for 1/20th of a second seems much more doable than reinventing the entire notion of bases

Yeah I’d be fine with a rule along the lines where if you touch the bag first before a tag (duh) if you pop off and a part of your body is still over the base you’re safe (like the play last night). Obviously you should still be called out if you slide past/through a base or roll off to a side or whatever and are tagged.

[Clem Fandango]

I want you to close your eyes, and imagine something for me. I want you to close your eyes and imagine that Kris Bryant is at the plate. I want you to imagine that he's hit a weak grounder down the third base line and he's busting it out of the batter's box. I want you to imagine he's running as fast as he can down that first base line, doing what his manager has told him to do and Respect 90. He's cruising, trying to beat out the throw. The third baseman scoops it up barehanded and rifles it over to first. Kris Bryant is putting all his energy into getting to first base before that throw. He knows he's going to be called out unless he stretches hard at the very end to reach first base. As Kris is reaching speeds approaching 20 mph the throw approaches first base and Kris stretches as far as he can to reach that base before the ball reaches the glove. And Kris? Kris beats that throw...

 

 

 

 

Now imagine that base is flat.

 

[Derwood]

Why would the flat base need to made of cooking-oil coated teflon?

[Cubswin11]

Why would the flat base need to made of cooking-oil coated teflon?

“When I played baseball” I can remember a decent number of times when home plate was slick due to some rain/humidity and slipping or seeing guys slip and sometimes fall when running through it in games or practices. Whatever the material is it can get pretty slippery when it gets wet.

[Derwood]

Why would the flat base need to made of cooking-oil coated teflon?

“When I played baseball” I can remember a decent number of times when home plate was slick due to some rain/humidity and slipping or seeing guys slip and sometimes fall when running through it in games or practices. Whatever the material is it can get pretty slippery when it gets wet.

 

But.....you can make it out of something else......in this scenario that will never happen

[Tim]

Counterpoint: Does Corey Patterson's knee stay whole if the base was flat?

[bukie]

Counterpoint: Does Corey Patterson's knee stay whole if the base was flat?

Baker would have found another way to ruin him.

[The_Achiever]

I must be the only person who doesn't mind people being called out for coming off the bag if only for a split second during a slide. Find a way to stay in contact and you're always taught to keep the tag applied.

[CyHawk_Cub]

I must be the only person who doesn't mind people being called out for coming off the bag if only for a split second during a slide. Find a way to stay in contact and you're always taught to keep the tag applied.

 

Nope, I feel the same. If an ump calls a runner out for coming off the bag, without the benefit of replay, I see no one complaining about nitpicky out/safe rules. Wanna not be called out? Stay on the bag.

[SouthSideRyan]

in the list of fixes, just making it so you're not out because your foot popped off the bag for 1/20th of a second seems much more doable than reinventing the entire notion of bases

 

Then replay has to analyze how many hundreths of seconds a foot is off the bag.

[minnesotacubsfan]

I would imagine an uptick in runs scored due solely to wild throws. Think of how many times rizzo is full extended to pick a ball out of the dirt, and hes using the side of the bag to force the out. And home plate gets slick too, especially when wet. Cleats slide on it all the time especially when its wet. Sure, make the base from a different material, but it just seems like such a rabbit hole to fall into. Either end the play the second the runner gets to the bag or is out (eliminating the over run out) or just leave it and let the players adjust their play.

 

Flat bases would blow

[Bote McBoteface]

Oop

[squally1313]

It would be near impossible to write/update the rule to allow runners to pop off the base briefly during the slide. Dave Cameron tried (https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/dear-mlb-please-fix-the-slide-replay/), and the best he could do was some sort of 'if you're still over the base, you're still safe' rule, which seems like even harder to enforce, barring MLB installing cameras directly over every base.

 

Flat bases I think fall apart when, as mentioned above, you think of how often first basemen are pushing off the edge of the bag to receive the ball. It would fundamentally alter the stretch they do to make the play, and I would guess greatly increase the amount of feet/ankles stepped on by the runner.

 

Ultimately, I think runners are just going to have to adjust the way that they slide. We've already seen it on head first slides, with an increased emphasis on holding the bag or bringing a leg up to maintain contact. In the play against Washington, maybe it's just a matter of, if he wasn't so far off the bag, he wouldn't have had to slide back with the velocity he did, and wouldn't have popped off for those few hundredths of a second.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

It would be near impossible to write/update the rule to allow runners to pop off the base briefly during the slide. Dave Cameron tried (https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/dear-mlb-please-fix-the-slide-replay/), and the best he could do was some sort of 'if you're still over the base, you're still safe' rule, which seems like even harder to enforce, barring MLB installing cameras directly over every base.

 

Off the top of my head, "once you touch the base, you're safe until you start towards the next base or your body ends up completely past the base" seems like it covers pretty much everything to me.

[imb]

It would be near impossible to write/update the rule to allow runners to pop off the base briefly during the slide. Dave Cameron tried (https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/dear-mlb-please-fix-the-slide-replay/), and the best he could do was some sort of 'if you're still over the base, you're still safe' rule, which seems like even harder to enforce, barring MLB installing cameras directly over every base.

 

Off the top of my head, "once you touch the base, you're safe until you start towards the next base or your body ends up completely past the base" seems like it covers pretty much everything to me.

 

that's insanely too much leeway

[jersey cubs fan]

It would be near impossible to write/update the rule to allow runners to pop off the base briefly during the slide. Dave Cameron tried (https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/dear-mlb-please-fix-the-slide-replay/), and the best he could do was some sort of 'if you're still over the base, you're still safe' rule, which seems like even harder to enforce, barring MLB installing cameras directly over every base.

 

Off the top of my head, "once you touch the base, you're safe until you start towards the next base or your body ends up completely past the base" seems like it covers pretty much everything to me.

would like to see the term "football move" used in there somewhere

[Transmogrified Tiger]

It would be near impossible to write/update the rule to allow runners to pop off the base briefly during the slide. Dave Cameron tried (https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/dear-mlb-please-fix-the-slide-replay/), and the best he could do was some sort of 'if you're still over the base, you're still safe' rule, which seems like even harder to enforce, barring MLB installing cameras directly over every base.

 

Off the top of my head, "once you touch the base, you're safe until you start towards the next base or your body ends up completely past the base" seems like it covers pretty much everything to me.

 

that's insanely too much leeway

 

It's one sentence and less than 25 words so I wouldn't be surprised, but what side effects would you see happening? The one that came to mind would be people sliding head first to 2nd base with their bodies mostly to the side, and touching it with their left hand. I'm not sure that would be the end of the world or worse than the current outcome, especially since with that rule you could aggressively slide feet first with much more confidence, but again I haven't put in hours of thought on the topic.

[jersey cubs fan]

It would be near impossible to write/update the rule to allow runners to pop off the base briefly during the slide. Dave Cameron tried (https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/dear-mlb-please-fix-the-slide-replay/), and the best he could do was some sort of 'if you're still over the base, you're still safe' rule, which seems like even harder to enforce, barring MLB installing cameras directly over every base.

 

Off the top of my head, "once you touch the base, you're safe until you start towards the next base or your body ends up completely past the base" seems like it covers pretty much everything to me.

 

that's insanely too much leeway

 

Leeway for what though? If you literally slide past the bag, you are going to be out. If you somehow pop up and detach for a millisecond, you won't be. The point is to reach base before the defender tags you.

[imb]

slides inherently are meant to be an in control way of reaching a bag. Take out the need to even be on the bag and you're going to have people doing nothing but out of control wild slides where the goal is simply to touch the bag with one part of your body for a split second before sliding past it.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

It would be near impossible to write/update the rule to allow runners to pop off the base briefly during the slide. Dave Cameron tried (https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/dear-mlb-please-fix-the-slide-replay/), and the best he could do was some sort of 'if you're still over the base, you're still safe' rule, which seems like even harder to enforce, barring MLB installing cameras directly over every base.

 

Off the top of my head, "once you touch the base, you're saFe until yOu start tOwards The next BAse or your body ends up compLeteLy past the base" seeMs like it cOVErs pretty much everything to me.

would like to see the term "football move" used in there somewhere

 

you got it

[jersey cubs fan]

slides inherently are meant to be an in control way of reaching a bag. Take out the need to even be on the bag and you're going to have people doing nothing but out of control wild slides where the goal is simply to touch the bag with one part of your body for a split second before sliding past it.

it says right in this rough draft "until... your body ends up completely past the base".

 

Crazy out of control slides will result in outs.

[imb]

slides inherently are meant to be an in control way of reaching a bag. Take out the need to even be on the bag and you're going to have people doing nothing but out of control wild slides where the goal is simply to touch the bag with one part of your body for a split second before sliding past it.

it says right in this rough draft "until... your body ends up completely past the base".

 

Crazy out of control slides will result in outs.

 

there will be just as many times where a guy slides to the bag, taps it with his finger, but keeps a foot in line or spins around so his hand is even with the bag as there are times where a foot pops up for a split second while a tag is on. It's not a fix.

[jersey cubs fan]

slides inherently are meant to be an in control way of reaching a bag. Take out the need to even be on the bag and you're going to have people doing nothing but out of control wild slides where the goal is simply to touch the bag with one part of your body for a split second before sliding past it.

it says right in this rough draft "until... your body ends up completely past the base".

 

Crazy out of control slides will result in outs.

 

there will be just as many times where a guy slides to the bag, taps it with his finger, but keeps a foot in line or spins around so his hand is even with the bag as there are times where a foot pops up for a split second while a tag is on. It's not a fix.

If dudes starting making crazy spin around slides, that would be cool.

[Guancous]