2015 trading deadline

[Little Slide Rooter]

The Tulo deal reminds me a lot of the Nomar deal for the Cubs in 2004.

 

I can't think of anything else like the Nomar deal. 4 teams, 3 of which were contenders to some degree.

 

July 31, 2004: (Nomar) Traded as part of a 4-team trade by the Boston Red Sox with Matt Murton to the Chicago Cubs. The Minnesota Twins sent Doug Mientkiewicz to the Boston Red Sox. The Montreal Expos sent Orlando Cabrera to the Boston Red Sox. The Chicago Cubs sent Francis Beltran, Alex Gonzalez and Brendan Harris to the Montreal Expos. The Chicago Cubs sent Justin Jones (minors) to the Minnesota Twins

 

Selig (or whomever was in charge of sorting these things) out must have had one hell of a headache sorting through all that. Hell, B2B himself couldn't have drempt that up after an Adderall smoothie. It would be like:

 

July 31, 2015: Adam Jones Traded as part of a 4-team trade by the Baltimore Orioles with to the Chicago Cubs. The Minnesota Twins sent Trevor Plouffe to the Baltimore Orioles. The Milwaukee Brewers sent Gerardo Parra to the Baltimore Orioles. The Chicago Cubs sent Brian Schlitter, Chris Coghlan, and Stephen Bruno to the Milwaukee Brewers. The Chicago Cubs sent Billy McKinney (minors) to the Minnesota Twins

 

I mean in terms of what the Cubs got vs. what they gave up, yeah. But I just took a moment to look back on that trade, and damn. Has there ever been anything like it?

[toonsterwu]

The Tulo deal reminds me a lot of the Nomar deal for the Cubs in 2004.

 

Out of curiosity, why? Or is it just an aging shortstop moving to another team? The talent the Cubs gave up for Nomar (Francis Beltran, Brendan Harris, Justin Jones, Alex Gonzalez) isn't really comparable to this trade. Justin Jones was probably the key to the deal in some respects, as it got the veterans that Boston wanted to shore things up, but really, if you wanted to say Justin Jones then is comparable to Jesus Tinoco now ... that would be fair. Jeff Hoffman is a better talent than any piece in that deal, even including when Brendan Harris got a bit over-hyped. Miguel Castro has more starting potential than Francis Beltran did at his best.

[toonsterwu]

The Tulo deal reminds me a lot of the Nomar deal for the Cubs in 2004.

 

Out of curiosity, why? Or is it just an aging shortstop moving to another team? The talent the Cubs gave up for Nomar (Francis Beltran, Brendan Harris, Justin Jones, Alex Gonzalez) isn't really comparable to this trade. Justin Jones was probably the key to the deal in some respects, as it got the veterans that Boston wanted to shore things up, but really, if you wanted to say Justin Jones then is comparable to Jesus Tinoco now ... that would be fair. Jeff Hoffman is a better talent than any piece in that deal, even including when Brendan Harris got a bit over-hyped. Miguel Castro has more starting potential than Francis Beltran did at his best.

 

Or is it more an aging team (Cubs/Blue Jays) making a last gasp move comparison?

[ctcf]

I honestly do not understand this deal at all.

 

Like I said, I guess they just said screw pitching, we're just gonna slug the competition into oblivion.

 

I meant for the Rox. That trade was great for the Jays.

[jersey cubs fan]

The Tulo deal reminds me a lot of the Nomar deal for the Cubs in 2004.

 

Out of curiosity, why? Or is it just an aging shortstop moving to another team? The talent the Cubs gave up for Nomar (Francis Beltran, Brendan Harris, Justin Jones, Alex Gonzalez) isn't really comparable to this trade. Justin Jones was probably the key to the deal in some respects, as it got the veterans that Boston wanted to shore things up, but really, if you wanted to say Justin Jones then is comparable to Jesus Tinoco now ... that would be fair. Jeff Hoffman is a better talent than any piece in that deal, even including when Brendan Harris got a bit over-hyped. Miguel Castro has more starting potential than Francis Beltran did at his best.

Yeah, I don't really see the comparison outside of the superficial, franchise shortstop got traded side of it.

[toonsterwu]

I honestly do not understand this deal at all.

 

Like I said, I guess they just said screw pitching, we're just gonna slug the competition into oblivion.

 

I meant for the Rox. That trade was great for the Jays.

 

I really like this deal for the Rockies. I get it for the Jays. They have the pitching depth, they are in full win-now mode, and Hoffman might never reach his ceiling due to the aggressive mechanics needed to reach said ceiling. This was a major upgrade, and they still keep enough key assets to make a move for pitching.

 

Rockies

 

a) Clear out Tulo's contract and turn the page

b) Get three big time arms. If you want to criticize them for not getting positional talent, fine, but they got talent. If everything pans out (and that rarely happens ..., but if), you potentially have 3 strong rotation pieces. Heck, even if one pans out, that's a solid deal.

c) Give Trevor Story a look at some point in the near future (Reyes being there beyond a short time would be surprising). I think Story's more a decent 2nd-tier starter, but who knows. He's young and intriguing enough at short.

d) Save money to potentially extend Arenado early.

 

Judging from right now ... I think it's a pretty good deal for Bridich.

[BigSlick]

The Blue Jays are now my 2nd team for being so ballsy and saying "[expletive] it, we can't pitch but we can score, so lets just score as much as possible" in a league where YOU CAN'T SCORE! its amazing, they're purposefully flying in the face of history, they have to be supported like Icarus' doomed flight

[toonsterwu]

Stunning trade.

 

Reyes won't be in CO for long. LAA perhaps? NYY? Baltimore?

 

I may get killed for saying this, but I hope the Cubs at least check in on CarGo. I have no idea what it would take to get him, but Castro would be a place to start.

 

I'd be fairly surprised on Baltimore (Hardy signed long term, Machado can slide over at any point). I'd be a bit surprised on the Yankees as well (they seem to like the saved money, they like Gregorius' defense, and they don't really need Reyes' offense.

[SouthSideRyan]

The Tulo deal reminds me a lot of the Nomar deal for the Cubs in 2004.

 

Out of curiosity, why? Or is it just an aging shortstop moving to another team? The talent the Cubs gave up for Nomar (Francis Beltran, Brendan Harris, Justin Jones, Alex Gonzalez) isn't really comparable to this trade. Justin Jones was probably the key to the deal in some respects, as it got the veterans that Boston wanted to shore things up, but really, if you wanted to say Justin Jones then is comparable to Jesus Tinoco now ... that would be fair. Jeff Hoffman is a better talent than any piece in that deal, even including when Brendan Harris got a bit over-hyped. Miguel Castro has more starting potential than Francis Beltran did at his best.

Yeah, I don't really see the comparison outside of the superficial, franchise shortstop got traded side of it.

 

The Rockies got back a guy roughly the equivalent of Cabrera.

[jersey cubs fan]

From deadspin article on trade:

If there’s one thing you can say about this era of Rockies baseball, one that has included five straight seasons with 73 or more losses,

 

What?

[sneakypower]

it's like the Nomar trade because his lasting legacy in TOR will assuredly be writhing on the ground clutching at his leg

[OleMissCub]

it's like the Nomar trade because his lasting legacy in TOR will assuredly be writhing on the ground clutching at his leg

 

lol, ya pretty much. Tulo is already made of glass. Can't imagine that turf is going to help any.

[Smack]

From deadspin article on trade:

If there’s one thing you can say about this era of Rockies baseball, one that has included five straight seasons with 73 or more losses,

 

What?

 

haha, yeah, can't have any of those terrible 89 win seasons

[SRQCub]

Toronto still has plenty left to make a move for pitching. I don't think they're done.

[hawkeyecub]

From deadspin article on trade:

If there’s one thing you can say about this era of Rockies baseball, one that has included five straight seasons with 73 or more losses,

 

What?

 

That writer is a putz.

[Guest]

From deadspin article on trade:

If there’s one thing you can say about this era of Rockies baseball, one that has included five straight seasons with 73 or more losses,

 

What?

 

That writer is a putz.

 

When I saw this, I knew you were talking about Tom Ley.

[jersey cubs fan]

From deadspin article on trade:

If there’s one thing you can say about this era of Rockies baseball, one that has included five straight seasons with 73 or more losses,

 

What?

 

That writer is a putz.

 

When I saw this, I knew you were talking about Tom Ley.

FWIW, it is five straight years with 79 or more losses. But I am not sure why you wouldn't just say four straight years of 88 or more losses.

[apete6]

Am I the only one who doesn't really give a [expletive] that Tulo was "blindsided" by the trade or "disappointed" in the way it was handled? Yeah, he's had a solid career, but also got a HUGE contract and has spent significant time on the DL 5 of the past 7 years. It's not like he's a slam dunk HOFer that is in his 15th year with the club or something and they just shipped him out and pissed on his ashes all over the press. They found a deal they liked, it happened to be during a game he was playing, and in the era of Twitter, he found out about it in an odd circumstance. Boo freaking hoo. If he was that concerned about picking his destination, then negotiate a no trade clause.

[SRQCub]

I'm pretty stunned that Toronto got to hold onto Norris. Even when Tulo inevitably misses time, that is a trade they should make every time. Just feel like that's a pretty light return for someone of Tulowitzki's caliber - durability issues included.

 

It's not really all that surprising, given Tulo's injury history and his enormous contract. Hoffman is not a terrible return, given the financials.

[jersey cubs fan]

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[Andy]

Gotta like the Royals sensing their opportunity and going all in. Hope it works out better than Oakland did. And also, obligatory 'good thing he's going to the AL' comment.

[BigSlick]

Zobrist was like the only bat I was marginally excited for the Cubs to get and now they'll miss out on him

 

Ah well

[Little Slide Rooter]

Why are people acting as though Jose Reyes is chopped liver? He's only 32, and while he may not be the best defensive SS, he's still a very valuable player, whether they chose to flip him or hang onto him.

[Tryptamine]

Well, time to get used to scoring 3 runs a game the rest of the year.

[apete6]

Wow. Manaea (sp?) going to A's in that deal along with Aaron Brooks.