Trade Deadline rumors, musings, and such

[Guest]

Why on earth do the national guys like Jeff Passan think this is such a great haul for Boston?

 

because dumb

[Banedon]

And STL gets $1.75M from Boston too.

[sneakypower]

Mozeliak has an amazing ability to make other GMs forget the previous 6 months, or year, ever happened

[CubsInNC]

Why on earth do the national guys like Jeff Passan think this is such a great haul for Boston?

 

Something that I heard today was that Lackey wouldn't play under the $500k option. He'd retire/sit out, rather than play.

[Guest]

Why on earth do the national guys like Jeff Passan think this is such a great haul for Boston?

 

Something that I heard today was that Lackey wouldn't play under the $500k option. He'd retire/sit out, rather than play.

 

Seems like a good decision for a 36 year old if he wants to make any money after next year.

[CubInOK]

And STL gets $1.75M from Boston too.

Plus a so-far-unnamed minor leaguer.

 

Cherington, what the [expletive] is this?

[CubsInNC]

Why on earth do the national guys like Jeff Passan think this is such a great haul for Boston?

 

Something that I heard today was that Lackey wouldn't play under the $500k option. He'd retire/sit out, rather than play.

 

Seems like a good decision for a 36 year old if he wants to make any money after next year.

 

I don't disagree with your assessment. But I can see where he's coming from. Although he and his agent were the ones who agreed to the $14.75million paycut.

[bleedcubbieblue]

Why on earth do the national guys like Jeff Passan think this is such a great haul for Boston?

 

Something that I heard today was that Lackey wouldn't play under the $500k option. He'd retire/sit out, rather than play.

 

Seems like a good decision for a 36 year old if he wants to make any money after next year.

 

I don't disagree with your assessment. But I can see where he's coming from. Although he and his agent were the ones who agreed to the $14.75million paycut.

 

Guessing Lackey just figured he would suck by the end of the contract?

[Guest]

kinda ughing at sharma right now

[CubsInNC]

Why on earth do the national guys like Jeff Passan think this is such a great haul for Boston?

 

Something that I heard today was that Lackey wouldn't play under the $500k option. He'd retire/sit out, rather than play.

 

Seems like a good decision for a 36 year old if he wants to make any money after next year.

 

I don't disagree with your assessment. But I can see where he's coming from. Although he and his agent were the ones who agreed to the $14.75million paycut.

 

Guessing Lackey just figured he would suck by the end of the contract?

 

He bet on his elbow. And lost. Only vested because of TJS.

[TruffleShuffle]

Why on earth do the national guys like Jeff Passan think this is such a great haul for Boston?

 

Something that I heard today was that Lackey wouldn't play under the $500k option. He'd retire/sit out, rather than play.

 

Seems like a good decision for a 36 year old if he wants to make any money after next year.

 

well, he'd better know that he's playing on at least two years beyond next year, and earning a pretty good salary (like league-average pitcher or better) in those extra years. it doesn't make sense for him to come back next year if he's not that interested in playing until he's about 40. or if his heart isn't in it next year, he sucks and then won't get paid when he hits free agency again.

[jersey cubs fan]

Why on earth do the national guys like Jeff Passan think this is such a great haul for Boston?

 

Something that I heard today was that Lackey wouldn't play under the $500k option. He'd retire/sit out, rather than play.

 

Seems like a good decision for a 36 year old if he wants to make any money after next year.

 

This seems sarcastic but is in fact a realistic rationalization.

 

There is very little incentive for him to go out and pitch for $500k next year.

[Bryants Disco Ball]

Cardinals in a way look bad in this trade. They might have been able to get King Felix straight up for Craig about two years ago. Felix > Lackey

[Soul]

Holy crap the Cards are the best franchise in history at getting whatever good will come from a player and then dumping them as soon as he won't do it anymore.

[Guest]

Why on earth do the national guys like Jeff Passan think this is such a great haul for Boston?

 

Something that I heard today was that Lackey wouldn't play under the $500k option. He'd retire/sit out, rather than play.

 

Seems like a good decision for a 36 year old if he wants to make any money after next year.

 

This seems sarcastic but is in fact a realistic rationalization.

 

There is very little incentive for him to go out and pitch for $500k next year.

 

Sure there is, if he pitches anywhere near as well as he has the last two years (which should be a bit easier to do in the NL), he can still make tens of millions of dollars more.

 

I get that his time might be worth more to him than $500k next year, but there's a very good chance he'd cost himself a hell of a lot more by not bothering at all.

[Soul]

Cardinals in a way look bad in this trade. They might have been able to get King Felix straight up for Craig about two years ago. Felix > Lackey

 

They waited just long enough to be sure he had fallen off the cliff. And still got Lackey.

[Guest]

Cardinals in a way look bad in this trade. They might have been able to get King Felix straight up for Craig about two years ago. Felix > Lackey

 

Two years is a long time. And they got production from Craig in the meanwhile.

 

Not to say anything about whether that would have been a bad decision at the time, but the fact that he fell off a cliff and they got Lackey for him now in no way makes them look bad.

[Rob]

Why on earth do the national guys like Jeff Passan think this is such a great haul for Boston?

 

Something that I heard today was that Lackey wouldn't play under the $500k option. He'd retire/sit out, rather than play.

 

Seems like a good decision for a 36 year old if he wants to make any money after next year.

 

This seems sarcastic but is in fact a realistic rationalization.

 

There is very little incentive for him to go out and pitch for $500k next year.

 

Yeah, Lackey has made over $100,000,000 in his career to date. He doesn't need to work if he's not getting paid reasonably.

 

I wouldn't be surprised to see a renegotiated 2-3 year agreement that looks team-friendly.

[profisme]

Holy crap the Cards are the best franchise in history at getting whatever good will come from a player and then dumping them as soon as he won't do it anymore.

 

Best example I can think of was the Kent Bottenfield for Jim Edmonds swap. Makes me want to vomit every time I think of it.

[jersey cubs fan]

Sure there is, if he pitches anywhere near as well as he has the last two years (which should be a bit easier to do in the NL), he can still make tens of millions of dollars more.

 

I get that his time might be worth more to him than $500k next year, but there's a very good chance he'd cost himself a hell of a lot more by not bothering at all.

 

 

I don't think it's a matter of his time being worth more to him. The fact is your "solution" is a risky bet he should not bother making on himself. Even if he does make it through his age 36 season relatively unscathed, what team is going to bet big on him to do it again at age 37-39? He's much better off pressuring a team to offer him a mid-tier contract for 36/37, or at least threaten a holdout for at least a bump in his age 36 season. Refusing to pitch for $500k at age 36 is perfectly rational.

[Guest]

Sure there is, if he pitches anywhere near as well as he has the last two years (which should be a bit easier to do in the NL), he can still make tens of millions of dollars more.

 

I get that his time might be worth more to him than $500k next year, but there's a very good chance he'd cost himself a hell of a lot more by not bothering at all.

 

 

I don't think it's a matter of his time being worth more to him. The fact is your "solution" is a risky bet he should not bother making on himself. Even if he does make it through his age 36 season relatively unscathed, what team is going to bet big on him to do it again at age 37-39? He's much better off pressuring a team to offer him a mid-tier contract for 36/37, or at least threaten a holdout for at least a bump in his age 36 season. Refusing to pitch for $500k at age 36 is perfectly rational.

 

Threatening to would be a good ploy and there's no reason it wouldn't be a really convincing threat...I just don't think actually going through with it is a good decision (if it came down to it).

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Phil Rogers ‏@philgrogers 4m

Cubs seem certain to deal Emilio Bonifacio & either James Russell or Wesley Wright. Pitt, SF, Balt, Sea & maybe KC involved on Bonifacio.

[TruffleShuffle]

Phil Rogers ‏@philgrogers 4m

Cubs seem certain to deal Emilio Bonifacio & either James Russell or Wesley Wright. Pitt, SF, Balt, Sea & maybe KC involved on Bonifacio.

 

i want back2banks to craft a 6 team deal involving the cubs, pittsburgh, san fran, baltimore, seattle and kansas city. trade must include emilio bonifacio and either james russell or wesley wright.

[SouthSideRyan]

Cardinals in a way look bad in this trade. They might have been able to get King Felix straight up for Craig about two years ago. Felix > Lackey

 

Pretty sure Felix for Craig was only in the minds of GRB

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Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 48s

Source: #Athletics getting “flooded” with calls on Hammel. Weren’t planning to trade him, but . . .