Cole Hamels Traded to Rangers

[Guest]

Turner, Vogelbach, and throw in Ednel

 

When it comes to hating Baez you're like an atheist Crossfitter.

 

That's an oxymoron. I never met a crossfitter that didn't believe in the one true lord, themselves.

i thought their lord was terrible form on all exercises

 

that didn't work well at all but i stuck in a square peg because i couldn't help but say that about crossfit

[Some Guy]

Hamels right now for a mere $96/4 guarantee is so incredibly far preferable to waiting til next year to guarantee Sherzer $$ to one of the FAs into his late 30s.

 

If those were our only 2 options, I would trade as much as Russell for Hamels (but not Bryant, Soler or Castro). However there is the possibility of trades for other guys - or maybe our own young pitchers emerge in a huge way - so I wouldn't necessarily pull the trigger on that trade today. I'm okay with a wait and see til July.

 

However if it could be done right now for Baez+, I wouldn't hesitate for a second.

[ctcf]

I would definitely trade Baez+ for Hamels. I'm just really not a believer in his panning out beyond being a useful regular who K's a hilarious amount of the time.

[Guest]

I would definitely trade Baez+ for Hamels. I'm just really not a believer in his panning out beyond being a useful regular who K's a hilarious amount of the time.

Just pray for a Mike Schmidt path and believe.

[Guest]

If Philly is serious about moving Hamels, I think the Cubs should definitely be looking at what it would take to get him. The guys that become available next year will most certainly cost the Cubs their first pick in the draft, AND will be very costly to beat out all of the other teams making offers.

 

If the Cubs were serious about Shields, then there is no reason they shouldn't be serious about Hamels, provided the price is right. I'm wondering if Hamels would slot into the 3rd starter spot, or do you throw back to back dominant lefties?

[Guest]

If Philly is serious about moving Hamels, I think the Cubs should definitely be looking at what it would take to get him. The guys that become available next year will most certainly cost the Cubs their first pick in the draft, AND will be very costly to beat out all of the other teams making offers.

 

If the Cubs were serious about Shields, then there is no reason they shouldn't be serious about Hamels, provided the price is right. I'm wondering if Hamels would slot into the 3rd starter spot, or do you throw back to back dominant lefties?

I don't think the Price is right. Amaro is looking for a lopsided steal. I think he'll hold on to Hamels until the ASB and some GM goes mildly insane and grossly overpays.

[davell]

I think we get Darvish at the deadline.

 

I think Amaro will be fired before Hamels is dealt from that franchise.

[Guest]

Amaro really needs to pray that Hamels has a great first half. Prices are higher at the deadline, but if what we've heard is any indication, teams are not going to all of a sudden start doubling the value in their offers. Amaro's in a crummy position(of his own making) and having gone through the Shark rumors I can empathize a bit with the 'we aren't bothered by his salary and don't have to trade him' position. But the Phillies are 2012 Cubs bad, maybe worse. If Hamels is going to be on the next good Phillies team, it's going to be 2018 or 2019 Cole Hamels. I'm not sure that Cole Hamels (at 25 million a year!) is much of a hope to hold out for, which means you pretty much need to take the best offer you can get.

[shnsajax]

If Philly is serious about moving Hamels, I think the Cubs should definitely be looking at what it would take to get him. The guys that become available next year will most certainly cost the Cubs their first pick in the draft, AND will be very costly to beat out all of the other teams making offers.

 

If the Cubs were serious about Shields, then there is no reason they shouldn't be serious about Hamels, provided the price is right. I'm wondering if Hamels would slot into the 3rd starter spot, or do you throw back to back dominant lefties?

 

They were serious for about $30 million less with Shields and it would cost zero players. I don't think the two would be related.

[ConstableRabbit]

I think we get Darvish at the deadline.

 

I think Amaro will be fired before Hamels is dealt from that franchise.

I would lose my [expletive] if we landed Yu.

[JennieGarthAlgar]

What would the reaction be if

 

Hamels+15mil

 

=

 

Alcantara, Baez, McKinney, Johnson, Wood

[sneakypower]

What would the reaction be if

 

Hamels+15mil

 

=

 

Alcantara, Baez, McKinney, Johnson, Wood

i'd completely hate it

[XZero771679666304]

I think we get Darvish at the deadline.

 

I think Amaro will be fired before Hamels is dealt from that franchise.

 

You think? If they were going to cut him loose, they'd have done it earlier and let the new GM conduct the rebuild, imo. I think ownership is going to let him do it. How the Hamels trade goes down may be the final nail in his coffin, though. If he botches it, that sets things back significantly.

 

Darvish would be spectacular, but I don't see it happening. Texas is going to be a contender this year, imo.

[NonProfitCow]

What would the reaction be if

 

Hamels+15mil

 

=

 

Alcantara, Baez, McKinney, Johnson, Wood

Is 2005-2009 Chase Utley coming with Hamels? Because if not, that's terrible.

[BrockLanders]

What would the reaction be if

 

Hamels+15mil

 

=

 

Alcantara, Baez, McKinney, Johnson, Wood

 

http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20131215041923/creepypasta/images/0/07/Post-25055-NOPE-not-doing-that-gif-S3vn.gif

[Deeg]

I wouldn't even remotely consider Hamels. Amaro is a lunatic that isn't worth dealing with, and it just doesn't make sense to give way big controlled talent for a pitcher in his 30s owed almost $100 million.

 

Rather than another Lester-type contract next offseason, I think Rosenthal may have it right - the next big pitcher move is going to be trading for a young starter with a big arm.

[weis21]

What would the reaction be if

 

Hamels+15mil

 

=

 

Alcantara, Baez, McKinney, Johnson, Wood

 

http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20131215041923/creepypasta/images/0/07/Post-25055-NOPE-not-doing-that-gif-S3vn.gif

 

What about Hamels + 15 MM (or you can tilt the number a tad - just what was used before)

 

for

 

Baez, Almora, Cease, Black, Vogelbach

[davell]

Javy is too boom or bust right now to be a centerpiece. Almora needs a bounceback to regain value. It's extremely rare for a team to trade for a package led by guys losing value.

[Deeg]

What would the reaction be if

 

Hamels+15mil

 

=

 

Alcantara, Baez, McKinney, Johnson, Wood

 

http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20131215041923/creepypasta/images/0/07/Post-25055-NOPE-not-doing-that-gif-S3vn.gif

 

What about Hamels + 15 MM (or you can tilt the number a tad - just what was used before)

 

for

 

Baez, Almora, Cease, Black, Vogelbach

 

Before or after the projectile vomiting?

[weis21]

Javy is too boom or bust right now to be a centerpiece. Almora needs a bounceback to regain value. It's extremely rare for a team to trade for a package led by guys losing value.

 

Maybe my opinion's skewed by the drunk Mets fan I talked to in a Dallas Hotel bar during a conference last week. Said he'd trade any Mets prospect for Baez because "guy's gonna be an absolute stud, bro". After that he said that the Cubs starting pitching would be strong next year with Samardzija and I pretty much tuned him out after that.

 

But seriously, I guess it's probable Baez has faded that far in a short few months by how helpless he looked versus MLB pitching (and I guess PR league if you want to base anything off that). I agree that Almora should need a bounceback to regain value, but I think his "pedigree" as a top prospect with great instincts, defense, etc. could still hold weight to some GM's. And he's still only 20 years old (for a couple months). I just think that there is a lot of upside in those two, and to some degree the others in the deal.

 

What about:

 

Baez, Almora, Sands, Johnson, Vogelbach

[Guest]

These offers are way too much for your basic contract dump. No other team is going to offer anything near that, thus there is no reason for the Cubs to offer that much.

[jersey cubs fan]

These offers are way too much for your basic contract dump. No other team is going to offer anything near that, thus there is no reason for the Cubs to offer that much.

How is Cole Hamels a basic contract dump?

[Guest]

These offers are way too much for your basic contract dump. No other team is going to offer anything near that, thus there is no reason for the Cubs to offer that much.

 

what goony said. he's not a "basic contract dump."

[Guest]

It's clearly a team that should be shedding payroll and rebuilding. And there appears to be little market for Hamels, and basically none for any of the other high dollar contracts on that team. It would be silly to offer up even 1 top 100 prospect talent (let alone 2) while also taking on 100m in payroll over the next 4 years. If that's what they are asking, then look at other avenues.

[SouthSideRyan]

It's clearly a team that should be shedding payroll and rebuilding. And there appears to be little market for Hamels, and basically none for any of the other high dollar contracts on that team. It would be silly to offer up even 1 top 100 prospect talent (let alone 2) while also taking on 100m in payroll over the next 4 years. If that's what they are asking, then look at other avenues.

 

Yeah, you'll get Dan Vogelbach and like it.