Samardzija trade rumors

[Backtobanks]

 

I totally get why they'll spend this offseason, but keeping Shark seems like a no-brainer at this stage to me. And he's smart enough to see we're getting close. If he wants 6/120 or so, bend on it. If he needs a NTC, give him a partial or something. But he needs to stay, we can contend if we add 45 mill on a SP and 2 OF.

 

I agree that keep Shark seems like a no-brainer. Spending the money on him sure seems like a better idea than trying to replace him. It doesn't sound like anyone is willing to meet our demands in trading him, most of the FA pitchers are as old or older than he is, and most or all of them have more "miles" on their arms than he does.

[RynoRules]

ESPN Chicago reporting that the Jays, Mariners and Braves have already contacted Cubs re Shark.

 

We've discussed the Jays many times here. We have a good history with the Braves, but unless I am missing something, they don't have much left in their minor league system; most is at the ML level in terms of young talent. Mariners have several interesting high-ceiling guys, but looks like little depth.

[davell]

I just want them to follow the same model as last year:Sell off the lesser piece early, sell the main piece late and extract as much as possible from it.

 

That said, if you're dead set on dealing Shark, the June decline is a bit worrisome, as is the overall decline of last year, post-May. Dealing him early may be smart, if you're definitely dealing him.

[Guest]

Here is the second part of my look at the past couple years worth of deadline trades, btw. This one looks at the six deals that were made in 2012.

[Gilby]

The Braves' top prospects have been pretty bad this year. Sims has an ERA of 5 for example, which is higher than his K/9. Don't think they have much of a shot to get him. The Mariners could put something together for Hammel, but I don't like them for Samardzija either. Rumors are we asked the Jays for Hutchison and one of Stroman/Sanchez. I kind of doubt they'd give up both Stroman and Hutchison, but maybe inserting Sanchez for Stroman would work now since they are in contention and Hutchison isn't likely to last the full season. I'd be fine with that if we have to trade him and hopefully Bosio could help with Sanchez, although he's already a big time ground ball pitcher.

[Tryptamine]

I am really starting to like Sanchez less and less as the big piece in a trade. At some point he needs to actually translate his elite stuff into results. He hasn't shown any improvement and the walk rate has actually gotten worse this year. This all might be tolerable if you're putting up a Crick like K/9, but he's not even striking out 8 per 9 innings.

[Guest]

Yeah, I've never been huge on Sanchez, and this year he's been very bleh. Not really interested, especially since the Jays will value him as the prize of a deal he's included in.

[muntjack]

I am really starting to like Sanchez less and less as the big piece in a trade. At some point he needs to actually translate his elite stuff into results. He hasn't shown any improvement and the walk rate has actually gotten worse this year. This all might be tolerable if you're putting up a Crick like K/9, but he's not even striking out 8 per 9 innings.

 

+1.

 

He has been aggressively promoted despite his control issues but he's only been out of high A for a few months. He makes his first AAA start today. Maybe Theo said he wanted guys closer to the majors.

[Post Count Padder]

The Giants are showing strong interest in Cubs ace Jeff Samardzija, according to Bob Nightengale of USA Today (on Twitter). Other clubs in the picture include the Yankees, Orioles, Angels, Red Sox, and Blue Jays.

[Backtobanks]

The Giants are showing strong interest in Cubs ace Jeff Samardzija, according to Bob Nightengale of USA Today (on Twitter). Other clubs in the picture include the Yankees, Orioles, Angels, Red Sox, and Blue Jays.

 

The FO ought to be able to get the package they want with that much competition for him.

[Cubswin11]

In regards to Orioles, Bundy is making his first start since TJS today. Plan is for him to make two starts at Aberdeen of the Penn League then go to AA after that. He's going to go 5 innings or 75 pitches in both starts, whichever comes first.

 

http://www.tulsaworld.com/blogs/sports/probaseball/pro-baseball-dylan-bundy-set-for-debut-on-sunday/article_934a1620-7baa-533c-b519-d66d3f411c3c.html

[Clem Fandango]

It was mentioned a while back, but how realistic would Bundy and Gausman for Shark be now?

[Clem Fandango]

Also this bit of news...

 

FOX Sports' Ken Rosenthal reports that scouts from the Orioles, Blue Jays and Red Sox were in attendance at Jeff Samardzija's last start.

As Rosenthal notes, the clubs could have been scouting a variety of players. However, there's no denying that Samardzija will be one of the biggest fish at the trade deadline, and the O's and Jays have been connected to him in the past. Rosenthal points out that Samardzija could make sense for the Red Sox because he's under control for 2015 and the team's rotation is "wide open" after this season. The righty holds a 2.77 ERA, 1.18 WHIP and 82/26 K/BB ratio in 2014.

 

Boston's pitchers have impressive numbers, but seem to have control issues at the same time. I like Owens but it looks like he sure does walk a lot of guys, and given that their pitching is "wide open" not sure how much they'll value their pitching prospects.

 

Regardless, if you deal Samardzija to Boston, you have to ask for Betts. He's exactly what the Cubs need. Cecchini intrigues me, too. Don't like his lack of power, but his plate patience would be nice atop the order.

[Cubswin11]

It was mentioned a while back, but how realistic would Bundy and Gausman for Shark be now?

Probably depends how Bundy looks over the next monthish up to the deadline now that he's back.

 

Also, looking over the Orioles roster, they have a combined -0.4 fWAR fro 2B this year. I wonder fit they'd have interest in Valbuena? Definitely should be able to get both Gausman and Budny plus another good prospect or 2 if you package Samardizja and Valbuena.

[Guest]

After looking at the trades the past couple years, I have dialed back my expectations a bit. There is just no precedent under this CBA of getting two elite prospects in a trade for a starting pitcher.

[Guest]

Shields.

 

Not so coincidentally, one of the few examples where the pitcher had an additional year of team control.

[Guest]

Shields.

 

Not so coincidentally, one of the few examples where the pitcher had an additional year of team control.

That was Shields + Davis and was not a deadline deal, fwiw

[Guest]

Shields.

 

Not so coincidentally, one of the few examples where the pitcher had an additional year of team control.

That was Shields + Davis and was not a deadline deal, fwiw

 

KC sent more than Myers(worth two elite pitching prospects himself) + Odorizzi too, and the fact that it wasn't a deadline deal isn't really relevant. There hasn't been a deadline deal for a player of Shark's caliber and team control in the new CBA.

[imb]

I don't think you can look at the literal only example of this type of trade ever happening, in a situation where everyone chided the royals for giving up too much, and go "well this is bar that's been set."

[Guest]

I don't think you can look at the literal only example of this type of trade ever happening, in a situation where everyone chided the royals for giving up too much, and go "well this is bar that's been set."

 

It's not saying 'this is the bar', no one expects a player of Myers' caliber, never mind that plus more. It's refuting the idea that getting that type of total value from a pair of players is unprecedented.

[muntjack]

In that first AAA start, Aaron Sanchez allowed 10 baserunners in 4 innings. Don't care how many ground balls the guy gets he just isn't effective.

[dew1679666265]

After looking at the trades the past couple years, I have dialed back my expectations a bit. There is just no precedent under this CBA of getting two elite prospects in a trade for a starting pitcher.

 

Given the position we're in and the control left on Shark, I'd rather keep him and hope he becomes more amenable to an extension than drop my expectations. I wouldn't settle for a "good enough" trade for him.

[davell]

Shark sees Rizzo and Castro progressing. He's well aware of KB, Javy, and the rest. He sees our bullpen arms progressing. Add a decent piece or two in FA and I really think he'll be wanting to stick it out here.

 

My only concern is how big of a factor a NTC is in all of this.

[Andy]

After looking at the trades the past couple years, I have dialed back my expectations a bit. There is just no precedent under this CBA of getting two elite prospects in a trade for a starting pitcher.

 

Given the position we're in and the control left on Shark, I'd rather keep him and hope he becomes more amenable to an extension than drop my expectations. I wouldn't settle for a "good enough" trade for him.

Me too. IMB mentioned how the Royals were raked over the coals for how much they gave up. If we can't get a team to give up more than most pundits assume he's worth, I'd just as soon keep Samardzija.

[RynoRules]

Beyond Bundy who is coming off of TJS, I don't see anyone in Baltimore's top 10 that I like.

 

The Red Sox on the other hand make a lot of sense. I'd ask for Owens as the centerpiece. If you could get them to include Swihart as well it would be a great deal for us, and given that Shark is under control next year I don't think that it is too steep.