Samardzija trade rumors

[SouthSideRyan]

Gray isn't getting traded, nevermind that he couldn't be traded with a comp pick since they have conflicting deadlines

he could be traded as PTBNL

 

Yes in the mythical scenario that never happens because teams don't want elite prospects, especially pitchers throwing under the guidance of another teams coaching staff

He would be a PTBNL for all of a day or two so this doesn't come into play at all.

 

Well it doesn't come into play at all because the Rockies aren't trading Jonathan Gray. Did not remember the Pomeranz trade btw

[CubsWin]

Gray isn't getting traded, nevermind that he couldn't be traded with a comp pick since they have conflicting deadlines

he could be traded as PTBNL

 

Yes in the mythical scenario that never happens because teams don't want elite prospects, especially pitchers throwing under the guidance of another teams coaching staff

He would be a PTBNL for all of a day or two so this doesn't come into play at all.

 

Well it doesn't come into play at all because the Rockies aren't trading Jonathan Gray. Did not remember the Pomeranz trade btw

No, it doesn't come into play at all because, even in a mythical scenario where Gray does get traded before the draft, he wouldn't be "throwing under the guidance of another teams coaching staff" for more than a day or a couple of hours.

[Clem Fandango]

Except in those scenarios they don't pitch at all, correct? Wasn't Pomeranz in limbo for like 3 1/2 weeks doing nothing as the PTBNL?

[davell]

Hoyer came out and denied any rumors of us looking at a comp pick as part of a Shark deal. No idea if Shark has made his mind up that he wants out or not, but I honestly believe we WANT to keep him. It's not going to shock me at all if he's not dealt at the deadline.

 

I can see the FO thinking that a nice addition or 2 in the offseason, with the pending arrival of Javy and KB, could help tempt Shark into signing an extension. If not, I think he'll get dealt in the offseason for sure.

[Guest]

Hoyer came out and denied any rumors of us looking at a comp pick as part of a Shark deal. No idea if Shark has made his mind up that he wants out or not, but I honestly believe we WANT to keep him. It's not going to shock me at all if he's not dealt at the deadline.

 

I can see the FO thinking that a nice addition or 2 in the offseason, with the pending arrival of Javy and KB, could help tempt Shark into signing an extension. If not, I think he'll get dealt in the offseason for sure.

It's a big gamble for the Cubs to keep him after the deadline unless they are willing to pay market value for him.

[A New Era]

Hoyer came out and denied any rumors of us looking at a comp pick as part of a Shark deal. No idea if Shark has made his mind up that he wants out or not, but I honestly believe we WANT to keep him. It's not going to shock me at all if he's not dealt at the deadline.

 

I can see the FO thinking that a nice addition or 2 in the offseason, with the pending arrival of Javy and KB, could help tempt Shark into signing an extension. If not, I think he'll get dealt in the offseason for sure.

It's a big gamble for the Cubs to keep him after the deadline unless they are willing to pay market value for him.

 

Maybe they should be. Otherwise you probably set back the clock to competitiveness at least another year, maybe 2. When you got 2 of your most exciting prospects coming up in 2015.

[SouthSideRyan]

Davell, this isn't the first time you've said it, what in their history with the cubs and with samardzija specifically makes you Think they want to keep him

[Guest]

Davell, this isn't the first time you've said it, what in their history with the cubs and with samardzija specifically makes you Think they want to keep him

 

i don't think it's as simple as want or don't want, it's about getting a haul for him or not getting a haul for him.

[davell]

Davell, this isn't the first time you've said it, what in their history with the cubs and with samardzija specifically makes you Think they want to keep him

 

i don't think it's as simple as want or don't want, it's about getting a haul for him or not getting a haul for him.

 

I think the FO knows how risky it is, trading for pitching prospects. No, it doesn't keep them from dealing for them, but I think it drives up the price. The first part of why I think he may stay is no one will meet our price.

 

Secondly, I truly do think the FO would like to keep him. And before giving him true "ace" money, I think they want to see him perform as one.

 

Which leads us to part 3, which is a problem currently. I doubt Shark wants to be here. But he did at one time and his mind can change again. KB and Javy could help change his mind. So could spending some money this offseason.

 

In the end, I just think things come together at some point in the offseason. No one meets our price at the deadline, we make a move or two, he gets happy again, we budge in contract talks, he re-signs.....

[Felix Leiter]

I disagree on so many levels. We don't need an overpaid 29 year old pitcher on a below .500 team. In 2-3 years when we're competitive, then maybe(if we haven't developed our own pitching), then we'll go out and pay for top level pitching. But to lock him up now is silly. He's a victim of thinking he's a #1, when he's a #3 on a good team.

[Andy]

I disagree on so many levels. We don't need an overpaid 29 year old pitcher on a below .500 team. In 2-3 years when we're competitive, then maybe(if we haven't developed our own pitching), then we'll go out and pay for top level pitching. But to lock him up now is silly. He's a victim of thinking he's a #1, when he's a #3 on a good team.

A 2.54 ERA and 3.03 FIP with an over 3/1 K/BB ratio is not a #3 on any team unless you are absolutely hoarding aces.

[Guest]

I disagree on so many levels. We don't need an overpaid 29 year old pitcher on a below .500 team. In 2-3 years when we're competitive, then maybe(if we haven't developed our own pitching), then we'll go out and pay for top level pitching. But to lock him up now is silly. He's a victim of thinking he's a #1, when he's a #3 on a good team.

A 2.54 ERA and 3.03 FIP with an over 3/1 K/BB ratio is not a #3 on any team unless you are absolutely hoarding aces.

Dude - he's 2-5.

[sneakypower]

well, to be fair, he does actually have the 3rd best FIP amongst our SP

[Guest]

Since we were talking about him before he was promoted, Eddie Butler was just placed on the DL with rotator cuff inflammation.

[cbbryan]

I disagree on so many levels. We don't need an overpaid 29 year old pitcher on a below .500 team. In 2-3 years when we're competitive, then maybe(if we haven't developed our own pitching), then we'll go out and pay for top level pitching. But to lock him up now is silly. He's a victim of thinking he's a #1, when he's a #3 on a good team.

A 2.54 ERA and 3.03 FIP with an over 3/1 K/BB ratio is not a #3 on any team unless you are absolutely hoarding aces.

Dude - he's 2-5.

 

Lmao!!!

[weis21]

From today's FG chat:

 

Comment From Guest

Which team do you believe is going to make the first trade that attempts to add a impact player/pitcher?

 

Dave Cameron: I could see the A’s making an early move. They know they are going to be buyers, so there’s no need to gather more information about their chances. I could see Billy Beane saying that this is their best chance to go for it and go big for Samardzija or Shields.

 

Do the A's match up well with the Cubs? Any particularly interesting names?

[Guest]

The A's aren't a very good match for Samardzija, their farm system, especially the upper levels, doesn't compare to many/most of his suitors.

[Guest]

From today's FG chat:

 

Comment From Guest

Which team do you believe is going to make the first trade that attempts to add a impact player/pitcher?

 

Dave Cameron: I could see the A’s making an early move. They know they are going to be buyers, so there’s no need to gather more information about their chances. I could see Billy Beane saying that this is their best chance to go for it and go big for Samardzija or Shields.

 

Do the A's match up well with the Cubs? Any particularly interesting names?

 

Not for me...other than Addison Russell I like Daniel Robertson....and that's about it.

[weis21]

Thanks, guys. It seems Brett over at BN posted similar thoughts about the same time I made my post.

 

Maybe Hamel would be a better fit for the A's?

[muntjack]

Their first rounder last year, McKinney, seems like a nice piece.

[Guest]

Their first rounder last year, McKinney, seems like a nice piece.

 

I'd take him for Hammel.

[Guest]

From today's FG chat:

 

Comment From Guest

Which team do you believe is going to make the first trade that attempts to add a impact player/pitcher?

 

Dave Cameron: I could see the A’s making an early move. They know they are going to be buyers, so there’s no need to gather more information about their chances. I could see Billy Beane saying that this is their best chance to go for it and go big for Samardzija or Shields.

 

Do the A's match up well with the Cubs? Any particularly interesting names?

 

We'll take back Josh Donaldson and call it a day.

[davell]

We're going to have 60 mill committed to next year with this in place.....

 

P Shark, Wood, Jackson, Arrieta, Hendricks

 

Pen-Rondon, Ramirez, Grimm, Wright, Russell, Parker, Rosscup, Vizcaino, Rivero

 

C Castillo

1B Rizzo

2B Valbuena

SS Castro

3B Javy

LF Lake

CF Alcantara Sweeney Ruggiano

RF KB

 

We've got 92 mill on the books currently and had the ability to pay 20 mill a year to Tanaka. We did spend on Hammel and Bonifacio, so subtract that and it leaves us with the ability to carry 105 mill in payroll.

 

Which leaves us able to spend 45 mill to add to what I listed as our lineup and staff. Why trade Shark now? We can add a TOR type to him and have a formidable rotation. And still have 20-25 mill to add a couple of OF as well thru FA or trade.

 

I totally get why they'll spend this offseason, but keeping Shark seems like a no-brainer at this stage to me. And he's smart enough to see we're getting close. If he wants 6/120 or so, bend on it. If he needs a NTC, give him a partial or something. But he needs to stay, we can contend if we add 45 mill on a SP and 2 OF.

[treebird]

i could see coghlan getting dealt a pair of queens while riding a bus from des moines to round rock

[Hairyducked Idiot]

i could see coghlan getting dealt a pair of queens while riding a bus from des moines to round rock

 

He'd probably split like an [expletive] and bust twice.