Samardzija trade rumors

[Little Slide Rooter]

You can't argue with what the Cubs offered him, IMO. He'd be nearly 35 when that deal ended, correct? I also understand why he'd rather see what he's worth at arbitration and then free agency.

 

I CAN ARGUE ANYTHING YOU'RE NOT THE BOSS OF ME

 

If Nuts & Gum were to write an autobiography, this would be the title.

 

ETA: Sammy Sofa? What the? When did this happen?

[Cubs Fan Dan]

Interesting timing, was this leaked so it softens the blow to the fan base when he is traded?

[UMFan83]

It's possible Shark would sign for that much but not for a team a couple years away from competing if everything goes right.

[BeerHere]

Interesting timing, was this leaked so it softens the blow to the fan base when he is traded?

This was my thought as well. You'd have to think that they knew his price back in ST and had to expect that it would only increase this year based on his performance. It does sound like they increased it, by how much we don't know. I think part of what they are battling was Shark's stance on the overly team friend contracts signed by several young players. If Samardzija were to sign a deal for anything under the perceived market value he would be seen as a hypocrite. He's as good as gone and I have a feeling that he will have some unkind words for the front office when he does leave. He, like Garza, will take the small pot-shots at the organization.

[Guest]

Shark does not want to play for the Cubs. I can't blame him. They've not tried to win for most of his career. However if true, that was a very good deal he turned down. I can't see him getting a much better offer than that. We'll see.

[Guest]

Does anyone have a shred of evidence (other than facial expressions) behind the claims that Shark doesn't want to sign here because we have sucked?

[SouthSideRyan]

Common sense probably

[Guest]

Common sense probably

So you've got nothing?

 

;)

[jersey cubs fan]

Does anyone have a shred of evidence (other than facial expressions) behind the claims that Shark doesn't want to sign here because we have sucked?

 

That is a very weird question.

[Guest]

Does anyone have a shred of evidence (other than facial expressions) behind the claims that Shark doesn't want to sign here because we have sucked?

He's made multiple comments to the media about good players being traded for prospects and the team's priorities.

[Guest]

Does anyone have a shred of evidence (other than facial expressions) behind the claims that Shark doesn't want to sign here because we have sucked?

 

That is a very weird question.

Why?

[jersey cubs fan]

Does anyone have a shred of evidence (other than facial expressions) behind the claims that Shark doesn't want to sign here because we have sucked?

 

That is a very weird question.

Why?

 

The only "evidence" that could exist if it existed would be a quote from Samardzija saying he does not want to play here any longer because the Cubs suck and for a variety of reasons that sort of direct quotable evidence isn't going to exist.

 

 

There's been a hell of a lot of indications that he is frustrated with the Cubs and wants out. At the very least he is in no hurry to commit to a franchise that has shown zero interest in competing.

[Guest]

It's not an out of the blue sentiment, Shark has made a lot of comments about wanting to win, and pointed out that trading guys away can be at odds with that goal.

 

That's not proof that he simply will not sign with the Cubs because of it, there's a variety of factors and even those feelings can change based on the team's performance and the players around him on the roster. But it's not conjured out of nothing.

[Guest]

Does anyone have a shred of evidence (other than facial expressions) behind the claims that Shark doesn't want to sign here because we have sucked?

 

That is a very weird question.

Why?

 

The only "evidence" that could exist if it existed would be a quote from Samardzija saying he does not want to play here any longer because the Cubs suck and for a variety of reasons that sort of direct quotable evidence isn't going to exist.

 

 

There's been a hell of a lot of indications that he is frustrated with the Cubs and wants out. At the very least he is in no hurry to commit to a franchise that has shown zero interest in competing.

Okay, what are the clear cut indications, other than the fact that he hasn't yet signed an extension?

[Guest]

It's not an out of the blue sentiment, Shark has made a lot of comments about wanting to win, and pointed out that trading guys away can be at odds with that goal.

 

That's not proof that he simply will not sign with the Cubs because of it, there's a variety of factors and even those feelings can change based on the team's performance and the players around him on the roster. But it's not conjured out of nothing.

I get that and generally agree with your more reasoned statement. What I'm taking exception to are the flat statements made above that he absolutely will not resign with the team because we have not tried hard enough or something.

[SouthSideRyan]

It's not an out of the blue sentiment, Shark has made a lot of comments about wanting to win, and pointed out that trading guys away can be at odds with that goal.

 

That's not proof that he simply will not sign with the Cubs because of it, there's a variety of factors and even those feelings can change based on the team's performance and the players around him on the roster. But it's not conjured out of nothing.

I get that and generally agree with your more reasoned statement. What I'm taking exception to are the flat statements made above that he absolutely will not resign with the team because we have not tried hard enough or something.

 

Because that's a thing that's happened?

[jersey cubs fan]

Okay, what are the clear cut indications, other than the fact that he hasn't yet signed an extension?

 

Are you kidding me?

[Guest]

Yeah, Tim is out there on this one.

[jersey cubs fan]

It's not an out of the blue sentiment, Shark has made a lot of comments about wanting to win, and pointed out that trading guys away can be at odds with that goal.

 

That's not proof that he simply will not sign with the Cubs because of it, there's a variety of factors and even those feelings can change based on the team's performance and the players around him on the roster. But it's not conjured out of nothing.

I get that and generally agree with your more reasoned statement. What I'm taking exception to are the flat statements made above that he absolutely will not resign with the team because we have not tried hard enough or something.

 

You get that and agree with his reasoned statement yet you still question the existence of indications that he wants out?

 

 

It's not a matter of there being so circumstance in which he would return.

[imb]

I'd give him 5/100 without thinking twice

[Cubswin11]

Samardzija isn't going to get more than $13-15 next year, so he essentially turned down 4/70ish

[SouthSideRyan]

Samardzija isn't going to get more than $13-15 next year, so he essentially turned down 4/70ish

 

He'll almost certainly get more dollars total assuming he doesn't contract typhoid

[Guest]

Samardzija isn't going to get more than $13-15 next year, so he essentially turned down 4/70ish

 

He'll almost certainly get more dollars total assuming he doesn't contract typhoid

 

Depends on what his next contract is in AAV, compared to if he had been an FA a year later. Also some minor TVM stuff but that's too much complexity for a simple comparison to me.

 

 

On the rumor side of things, both Kaplan and Morosi have linked Samardzija to the Royals, Morosi specifically saying that it would take a member of the current rotation(likely Duffy), which the Royals may not be willing to do.

 

With Zimmer's shoulder troubles and Ventura being nigh untouchable(plus an injury scare of his own), what would you want from the Royals for Shark? I like Duffy a lot(with Bosio I think he could approach Bumgarner production) but he's already had one surgery and there's little else that really blows me away in their system. Manaea, Almonte, and Adam are intriguing but fall short of my arbitrary 2nd piece threshold. I still like Herrera but he's a reliever without killer upside, and Bonifacio flatlining in the Texas league is uninspiring. Anyone else you like?

[davell]

If you get Duffy, I think you'd still have to get Zimmer, and Almonte as well. I'm not a fan of Zimmer and missing all year doesn't help things there. But assuming Yordano is off the table, I think you have to get those 3. And I'd still prefer finding a package with less injury prone guys in it. Just not a fan of their system currently.

[sneakypower]

Christian Binford seems like a good power pitcher

 

(arrh arrh arrh more power)