Samardzija trade rumors

[A New Era]

I'm in agreement with the recent few posts. Bundy, Harvey with a good third piece or similar deal (probably not many teams that have the talent to match that type of deal) or I'm just not feeling it.

 

Having said this, when he's traded for a less than Bundy Harvey package I will smile and pretend I love it. I'm in the camp of wanting him around though.

[Cubswin11]

@IronBirdsPR 12 pitch 1st inning for Dylan Bundy. Three groundouts: 4-3, 6-3, 6-3. #Orioles #IronBirds @Orioles

 

@IronBirdsPR Bundy throws 14 pitches in 2nd (26 total); 3 K's; allows a 2 out single. #Orioles #IronBirds

 

@IronBirdsP13 pitches for Bundy in the 3rd (39 total). He allows a single, ground rule double, and an RBI groundout; HV leads 1-0.

 

Also had another k in the 3rd and apparently is hitting 93 MPH

[muntjack]

Beyond Bundy who is coming off of TJS, I don't see anyone in Baltimore's top 10 that I like.

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You don't like Hunter Harvey?

 

And for me its pretty much Betts or bust with the Red Sox.

[Tangled Up in Plaid]

i'd gamble on bundy only because it's a giant steal if he comes back and is even 90%. i'm surprised he's even on the table given how highly regarded he was before surgery. plus, bosio would let him throw cutters.

[Guest]

Beyond Bundy who is coming off of TJS, I don't see anyone in Baltimore's top 10 that I like.

 

The Red Sox on the other hand make a lot of sense. I'd ask for Owens as the centerpiece. If you could get them to include Swihart as well it would be a great deal for us, and given that Shark is under control next year I don't think that it is too steep.

 

Hunter Harvey.

[Cubswin11]

Bundy finished with 5IP 5H 1ER 0BB 6K

[imb]

If he's at 93 already, I gotta think that's a good sign

[A New Era]

Beyond Bundy who is coming off of TJS, I don't see anyone in Baltimore's top 10 that I like.

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You don't like Hunter Harvey?

 

And for me its pretty much Betts or bust with the Red Sox.

 

Pretty much. Orioles, Rockies, and Red Sox are the only 3 with prospects I really like, in a Shark trade. (Of teams rumored or at least possible partners).

[RynoRules]

Beyond Bundy who is coming off of TJS, I don't see anyone in Baltimore's top 10 that I like.

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You don't like Hunter Harvey?

 

And for me its pretty much Betts or bust with the Red Sox.

 

I guess I am hoping for a centerpiece that is more ML ready.

[muntjack]

Understandable. That's what I like about the Bundy/Harvey combo. Lots of ceiling and we still get a guy who can contribute right away.

[Gilby]

I am really starting to like Sanchez less and less as the big piece in a trade. At some point he needs to actually translate his elite stuff into results. He hasn't shown any improvement and the walk rate has actually gotten worse this year. This all might be tolerable if you're putting up a Crick like K/9, but he's not even striking out 8 per 9 innings.

 

Oh I am far from in love with Sanchez, but I'd be more interested in him if he comes with a Hutchison or Norris. In that scenario, Sanchez isn't the big piece.

 

I also don't think it's realistic to expect Bundy/Gausman and Harvey. I'm starting to doubt either Bundy or Gausman could be had, let alone with Harvey. Without Bundy or Gausman, I agree with Ryno that I don't want the main piece being someone who pitches in the sally league, no matter how good his stuff is.

[Deeg]

The Giants have plenty enough to make a very strong offer too, if they so choose.

[CubsWin]

The Giants have plenty enough to make a very strong offer too, if they so choose.

Outside of Kyle Crick, who do you find interesting?

 

I think Susac can be a decent major league catcher, but after that Escobar and Mejia are really struggling. Even Crick's walk rate is way up. Blackburn is currently on the DL. Who do you like?

[TheDude]

I don't think you can look at the literal only example of this type of trade ever happening, in a situation where everyone chided the royals for giving up too much, and go "well this is bar that's been set."

 

Actually I think you can say that. Every year 'everyone' (the analysts and fans I presume) chides the GMs for terrible contracts and yet those terrible contracts do change the bar anyway. All that matters is the GMs. It's different with trades because no agents are involved to reinforce the market value precedent, but I could still see GMs pivoting on established trade comps in recent years as a hard negotiating point.

[toonsterwu]

Well that sucks. Actually took the time to type a post and lost it. Oops.

 

Let's see ... I think I am not expecting anything as good as say, Bundy/Harvey. A Shark deal needs to be for ceiling, and preferably arm ceiling (as you can use a Hammel deal to get solid guys), but few teams fork over elite arms that readily. Specifically, on the Orioles, I think I still would be fine with Gausman as a center piece, and I still like Rodriguez, albeit not as a centerpiece by himself. My expectations on the centerpiece to a Shark deal is more either 1 high ceiling, upper level arm, or 1 elite arm talent (like Bundy), or two high upside arms in the A ball ranks (wanted to clarify a bit). We don't need the Grimms or even the Ramirez's of the world as key parts of a trade.

 

Randomly ruminating on some teams - I just don't love the Red Sox current system pieces as much as most, in general, and I don't love the fit for a trade. A lot of good arms, not great arms. I guess if they parted with Betts, okay, but I don't see that happening. I guess if they really dumped quantity of solid quality on us, okay, but it's not like I think they will offer say, Owens/Ranaudo/AND Webster. Braves and Giants feel like quantity trades, if they go after Shark. Don't love that. Rockies would be great if you could get a big fish. Three teams I randomly wonder about - Tigers (if Verlander can't get it goiing ... but the problem is, Thompson is more an excellent dream for a Hammel deal, and more of a #2 piece in a Shark deal, IMO), Reds (Stephenson and another arm or two might be a decent consideration depending on how the FO views Stephenson), and Marlins (but don't expect them to move Heaney).

Edited June 17, 2014 by toonsterwu

[Clem Fandango]

Baltimore just lost Wieters to UCL surgery for the rest of the season. Maybe tossing in Castillo with Shark would up the ante in a Baltimore trade?

[bukie]

Because we have so many catchers at the ready we're starting one that throws out runners at 4% and hits .100.

[Guest]

In part 3 of my trade article, I look at the precedents and how they fit for Shark and Hammel.

[Clem Fandango]

Because we have so many catchers at the ready we're starting one that throws out runners at 4% and hits .100.

 

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[Deeg]

The Giants have plenty enough to make a very strong offer too, if they so choose.

Outside of Kyle Crick, who do you find interesting?

 

I think Susac can be a decent major league catcher, but after that Escobar and Mejia are really struggling. Even Crick's walk rate is way up. Blackburn is currently on the DL. Who do you like?

 

It would certainly have to start with Susac and Crick. I think Susac has a chance to be better than decent, and I'm not down on Crick because he's had some control issues - he's a legit Top-30-40 guy with TORP stuff that's not far from the majors. After that buy low on someone like Mac Williamson (I'll take my chances on a TJS outfielder, and he's a legit big-time bat) and one more pitching prospect (they have a lot of guys who aren't necessarily high-ceiling, but have a good chance to be productive).

 

Yeah, I'd rather have Gausman/Bundy and Harvey - but I'm not counting on that level of return. The Garza trade has overinflated expectations IMHO.

[davell]

Wittenmeyer says Cubs have upped their offer to Shark.

[Guest]

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/28123847-419/cubs-talking-again-to-jeff-samardzija-about-multiyear-extension.html

 

But even as the Cubs continue early trade talks with some teams about Jason Hammel and Jeff Samardzija, they also have quietly reached out to Samardzija with a new offer on a contract that would keep him in Chicago as long as Starlin Castro and Anthony Rizzo, according to multiple sources.

 

The sides have been miles apart for more nearly two years since having initial conversations about a multiyear extension, with differences on issues ranging from dollars to the club’s competitive timeline to management style and stability.

But the longer Samardzija has pitched into what is fast becoming his best season, the more he’s looking like the frontline pitcher many expected him to be, and the more outcry that has risen from an already grumbling fan base waiting for this rebuilding process to take traction.

 

Cubs officials wouldn’t comment on the subject Monday.

 

But the offer is believed to be for the same five years previously discussed by the parties, but at a higher number than the $60-million to $65-million range last on the table.

 

It was not immediately clear how high the Cubs have gone, or what their walkaway figure is. One source suggested it would take something close to the $17.5 million annual value of Cincinnati pitcher Homer Bailey’s six-year contract signed during the spring to persuade Samardzija to commit to an extension, especially without a no-trade clause.

[UMFan83]

I've flipped. I wanted to keep Shark but I'm now on the side of trading him at the deadline.

[mul21]

I've flipped. I wanted to keep Shark but I'm now on the side of trading him at the deadline.

 

Any particular reason?

[jersey cubs fan]

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/28123847-419/cubs-talking-again-to-jeff-samardzija-about-multiyear-extension.html

 

But even as the Cubs continue early trade talks with some teams about Jason Hammel and Jeff Samardzija, they also have quietly reached out to Samardzija with a new offer on a contract

 

They were so quiet about it that they only leaked the info to one beat writer.