2013/14 MLB offseason transactions

[Guest]

I'm all for going nuts to get Tanaka, but I'm shocked so many people are disappointed on losing out on Ellsbury for that money. Or at least that's the way it sounds. No way in hell I'm giving him $21 million per season. Not even close. And that's even if we have a bunch of money to spend.

 

7 years at 22 per is near the upper bound of what I would've been willing to give Ellsbury, but I don't think it's an unreasonable deal at all.

[ctcf]

I wanted Ellsbury and I'm disappointed we didn't get him, but there's no way I'd have given him seven years.

 

He'll be 36 in the last year of this contract.

 

It's not the age, it's the inability to stay on the field. I know his injuries have been "freaky", but it's hard to ignore.

 

And you have to believe the reason he signed already is that he and his camp knew that was easily the best offer they were going to get.

 

This.

[Guest]

I wanted Ellsbury and I'm disappointed we didn't get him, but there's no way I'd have given him seven years.

 

He'll be 36 in the last year of this contract.

 

It's not the age, it's the inability to stay on the field. I know his injuries have been "freaky", but it's hard to ignore.

 

And you have to believe the reason he signed already is that he and his camp knew that was easily the best offer they were going to get.

 

This.

It seems to me that if i believed that he cannot stay healthy i would have no interest in him at all. The years thing doesn't seem to matter. At some point the sticker shock needs to wear off.

[jersey cubs fan]

I'm all for going nuts to get Tanaka, but I'm shocked so many people are disappointed on losing out on Ellsbury for that money. Or at least that's the way it sounds. No way in hell I'm giving him $21 million per season. Not even close. And that's even if we have a bunch of money to spend.

Well at least we know the front office's pr campaign is working.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I'm not mad we didn't give Ellsbury that contract. I'm mad the team isn't better and we still aren't drawing 3.2m fans so that it would make sense to give him that contract.

[Post Count Padder]

Yankees set to sign Kelly Johnson. Doesn't mean they're out on Cano, but with this and Ellsbury, it sure looks like a "you're move" type of deal. They're clearly not waiting around on a decision. They also have an offer out to Infante.

[ConstableRabbit]

I'm all for going nuts to get Tanaka, but I'm shocked so many people are disappointed on losing out on Ellsbury for that money. Or at least that's the way it sounds. No way in hell I'm giving him $21 million per season. Not even close. And that's even if we have a bunch of money to spend.

 

7 years at 22 per is near the upper bound of what I would've been willing to give Ellsbury, but I don't think it's an unreasonable deal at all.

I was okay with the years/dollars, but the NTC put it over the top for me.

[EhDubya]

So hypothetically, if ARod wins his appeal, Cano gets re-signed and everyone comes back healthy enough, could the Yanks have a lineup something like:

 

CF Ellsbury

SS Jeter

2B Cano

1B Teixera

3B Rodriguez

C McCann

DH Soriano/Wells

LF Gardner

RF Ichiro

 

Is that a close projection of a Yankee fan's 'best case scenario' lineup?

[Cubswin11]

So hypothetically, if ARod wins his appeal, Cano gets re-signed and everyone comes back healthy enough, could the Yanks have a lineup something like:

 

CF Ellsbury

SS Jeter

2B Cano

1B Teixera

3B Rodriguez

C McCann

DH Soriano/Wells

LF Gardner

RF Ichiro

 

Is that a close projection of a Yankee fan's 'best case scenario' lineup?

Probably, yeah

[jersey cubs fan]

Three years ago, yes.

[Guest]

You can mess with the order a bit, and it sure seems like they're spending like they don't plan on paying A-Rod next year, but that's pretty much it, yeah.

[jersey cubs fan]

Actually, I doubt there are many Yankees fans who have ARod in their current "best case scenario" lineup.

[EhDubya]

Thats all true, just the inner video game player in me can't help himself, even if 70% of those players are senior citizens.

[Bryants Disco Ball]

I'm all for going nuts to get Tanaka, but I'm shocked so many people are disappointed on losing out on Ellsbury for that money. Or at least that's the way it sounds. No way in hell I'm giving him $21 million per season. Not even close. And that's even if we have a bunch of money to spend.

Well at least we know the front office's pr campaign is working.

 

Yeah, no.

[jersey cubs fan]

I'm all for going nuts to get Tanaka, but I'm shocked so many people are disappointed on losing out on Ellsbury for that money. Or at least that's the way it sounds. No way in hell I'm giving him $21 million per season. Not even close. And that's even if we have a bunch of money to spend.

Well at least we know the front office's pr campaign is working.

 

Yeah, no.

 

How else do you explain not being welling to pay "even close" to $21m to a player of that ability?

[Bryants Disco Ball]

I'm all for going nuts to get Tanaka, but I'm shocked so many people are disappointed on losing out on Ellsbury for that money. Or at least that's the way it sounds. No way in hell I'm giving him $21 million per season. Not even close. And that's even if we have a bunch of money to spend.

 

7 years at 22 per is near the upper bound of what I would've been willing to give Ellsbury, but I don't think it's an unreasonable deal at all.

 

I can respect the opinion, but I'm shocked people would think it's a reasonable deal. He's a fine but injury prone baseball player. That's pretty much it.

 

If they are going to give out a 22 million per season long-term contract, I want somebody much better.

[Bryants Disco Ball]

I'm all for going nuts to get Tanaka, but I'm shocked so many people are disappointed on losing out on Ellsbury for that money. Or at least that's the way it sounds. No way in hell I'm giving him $21 million per season. Not even close. And that's even if we have a bunch of money to spend.

Well at least we know the front office's pr campaign is working.

 

Yeah, no.

 

How else do you explain not being welling to pay "even close" to $21m to a player of that ability?

 

Easy. I don't share your love of his ability.

[Bryants Disco Ball]

I'm all for going nuts to get Tanaka, but I'm shocked so many people are disappointed on losing out on Ellsbury for that money. Or at least that's the way it sounds. No way in hell I'm giving him $21 million per season. Not even close. And that's even if we have a bunch of money to spend.

Well at least we know the front office's pr campaign is working.

 

Yeah, no.

 

How else do you explain not being welling to pay "even close" to $21m to a player of that ability?

 

Furthermore, if their campaign is working, then why did I say I'm all for them going nuts for Tanaka?

[Guest]

I'm all for going nuts to get Tanaka, but I'm shocked so many people are disappointed on losing out on Ellsbury for that money. Or at least that's the way it sounds. No way in hell I'm giving him $21 million per season. Not even close. And that's even if we have a bunch of money to spend.

 

7 years at 22 per is near the upper bound of what I would've been willing to give Ellsbury, but I don't think it's an unreasonable deal at all.

 

I can respect the opinion, but I'm shocked people would think it's a reasonable deal. He's a fine but injury prone baseball player. That's pretty much it.

 

If they are going to give out a 22 million per season long-term contract, I want somebody much better.

 

There have been less than 10 hitters more valuable than Ellsbury the last 3 years: http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=8&season=2013&month=0&season1=2011&ind=0&team=&rost=&age=&filter=&players=

 

And that's a cumulative number that penalizes Ellsbury for missing half of 2012. If you want someone "much better", then you're limiting yourself to Trout, Cabrera, Cano, and McCutchen.

[jersey cubs fan]

Easy. I don't share your love of his ability.

 

You don't love productive players?

[jersey cubs fan]

Furthermore, if their campaign is working, then why did I say I'm all for them going nuts for Tanaka?

 

Because their PR campaign is "we'll try on a few guys but not really hit on anything because we can't afford it."

 

Ellsbury is a very good player and you wouldn't come close to $21m for him. That is absurd. You aren't going to get very good players if you aren't willing to pay very high dollars.

[Bryants Disco Ball]

I'm all for going nuts to get Tanaka, but I'm shocked so many people are disappointed on losing out on Ellsbury for that money. Or at least that's the way it sounds. No way in hell I'm giving him $21 million per season. Not even close. And that's even if we have a bunch of money to spend.

 

7 years at 22 per is near the upper bound of what I would've been willing to give Ellsbury, but I don't think it's an unreasonable deal at all.

 

I can respect the opinion, but I'm shocked people would think it's a reasonable deal. He's a fine but injury prone baseball player. That's pretty much it.

 

If they are going to give out a 22 million per season long-term contract, I want somebody much better.

 

There have been less than 10 hitters more valuable than Ellsbury the last 3 years: http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=8&season=2013&month=0&season1=2011&ind=0&team=&rost=&age=&filter=&players=

 

And that's a cumulative number that penalizes Ellsbury for missing half of 2012. If you want someone "much better", then you're limiting yourself to Trout, Cabrera, Cano, and McCutchen.

 

I have no confidence Ellsbury will remain close to as productive during the majority of this contract, and I'm very confident he will break down.

 

This list is awesome and nobody can dispute the facts, but the list probably showed Albert Pujols was worth his contract, too.

[Bryants Disco Ball]

Furthermore, if their campaign is working, then why did I say I'm all for them going nuts for Tanaka?

 

Because their PR campaign is "we'll try on a few guys but not really hit on anything because we can't afford it."

 

Ellsbury is a very good player and you wouldn't come close to $21m for him. That is absurd. You aren't going to get very good players if you aren't willing to pay very high dollars.

 

Well, hopefully it will make you feel better when I express disappointment after we don't get Tanaka.

 

Besides, if we had hit on the guys this board wanted in the past two seasons, then we couldn't afford* Ellsbury any way since Albert Pujols and B.J. Upton are already being paid a crap ton by us.

 

*unless we are run by the Dodgers

[Guest]

Albert Pujols missed about 7 games a year for 11 years before signing his big deal.

 

There's going to be reasons not to sign every long term deal. Ellsbury does have injury risk, but as a speed guy he's also more likely to age better than the Pujolses or Matt Hollidays of the world. It's not some huge steal for the Yankees, but it's a perfectly fine contract to pay him. In fact, if you start him at 5.5 WAR for next year and have him decline at the normal rate starting immediately, then his expected output is 153 million over 7 years.

[USSoccer]

That was a completely reasonable contract that Ellsbury got; if you want to get impact players in FA there's always a cost to it, but the guy is very productive, and in case one hadn't noticed, we don't exactly have a lot of productive offensive players.

 

Missing out on him sucks, because there's not a hell of a lot of impact players left out there, and I have zero confidence that the FO is going to swing a trade for one.