Minor League Discussion & Boxes 8-12-13

[Guest]

Rosscup would fall in the 20's for me at this point.

 

I've got nothing against him. I just can't put a reliever over some of the guys who still have a chance at starting on the pitching side. The system is getting really deep all of a sudden, even excluding guys currently in the minors but out of "eligibility" as prospects. I'd have:

 

Edwards

Johnson

Zastryzny

Pineyro

Black

Paniagua

Maples

Cabrera

Vizcaino

 

all ahead of Rosscup for certain. Then I'd have to balance the relative certainty that he'll at the very least make the majors against potential from guys like Leal, Torrez, Skulina, Masek, Arias, Conway, etc.

 

For the record, as one of Szczur's proponents on the board, I still think there's a non-zero chance he can modify the swing enough to generate sufficient power to be an asset. However, time is running out on him. He has to put up numbers in the PCL next year or he'll be done as a prospect. At this point, he's definitely out of my top 20.

[EhDubya]

 

For the record, as one of Szczur's proponents on the board, I still think there's a non-zero chance he can modify the swing enough to generate sufficient power to be an asset. However, time is running out on him. He has to put up numbers in the PCL next year or he'll be done as a prospect. At this point, he's definitely out of my top 20.

 

I think he could be an asset as a cheap 5th OF/pinch runner/late defense sub for a couple of years even without power, but I guess its all in how you define the word "asset".

[abuck1220]

yeah, i'm certainly fine with him being in the 20s somewhere. not claiming he should be in the top 10 or anything.

 

i just specifically see him as much more valuable than the glut of 4th OF/5th OF types that some people had ranked in the 20s. like i said earlier, if we traded him for somebody else's szczur, wouldn't we all be disappointed? i know i would.

[rawaction]

Rosscup is very solid. But I don't even think he is a better relief prospect than Cabrera. Probably not even Black either, once that move becomes permanent. I was working on a list with him in the 23-27 range, but I still have Szczur slightly higher. Still think there is some projection with Szczur, while Rosscup is a 7th/8th inning reliever at best. Not a bad thing, but not a SP or potential everyday player, which Szczur still has a very slight chance to be.

 

 

 

Think I may have them at 22-23 right now actually in my rankings.

[Guest]

Rosscup is very solid. But I don't even think he is a better relief prospect than Cabrera. Probably not even Black either, once that move becomes permanent. I was working on a list with him in the 23-27 range, but I still have Szczur slightly higher. Still think there is some projection with Szczur, while Rosscup is a 7th/8th inning reliever at best. Not a bad thing, but not a SP or potential everyday player, which Szczur still has a very slight chance to be.

 

 

 

Think I may have them at 22-23 right now actually in my rankings.

 

Szczur's likelihood of being anything more than a reserve is too low for me to rate him above Rosscup. I'll take an upper level minor league 7th or 8th inning arm over the upper level minor league 4th/5th OF.

[Tangled Up in Plaid]

Can someone sell me on why Szczur should be any higher than Ha or Andreoli? Because I just don't see it.

[Guest]

Can someone sell me on why Szczur should be any higher than Ha or Andreoli? Because I just don't see it.

 

I think there's a decided gap between Ha and Szczur, in favor of Ha. I think the organization agrees since Ha got promoted to Iowa while Szczur is still in Tennessee.

[craig]

Rosscup is very solid. But I don't even think he is a better relief prospect than Cabrera. Probably not even Black either, once that move becomes permanent. I was working on a list with him in the 23-27 range, but I still have Szczur slightly higher. Still think there is some projection with Szczur, while Rosscup is a 7th/8th inning reliever at best. Not a bad thing, but not a SP or potential everyday player, which Szczur still has a very slight chance to be. Think I may have them at 22-23 right now actually in my rankings.

 

Q: What's the scouting on Rosscup? Standard 88-92 velo, kinda wild, but good curveball?

 

I don't really know. The limited usage and modest promotion rate suggests that management may not be real high on him.

His numbers are sure interesting, though. I think a good 7th/8th inning reliever is very valuable, and every team is going to carry and use lefty reliever(s), whether very good or not. If Rosscup can be a good lefty, I'd value that a lot.

 

Beliveau is having a good season. 2.36 ERA, 71K/1HR/42IP. Not sure why the Cubs wasted him so quickly.

 

I'd rate Rosscup > Cabrera. Cabrera is sometimes fast, but he's never been that good, and he's been a HR guy. Low HR's for Rosscup helps him, and I think guys who give up lots of HR's in minors, often give up lots more in majors.

 

In the limited CF group, which includes Szczur, Ha, and Andreoli, I wonder whether Zeke DeVoss might merit some consideration in that group as well. He's a year younger than Szczur, and his .405 OBP is higher than Szczur has ever scored. DeVoss's .779 OPS is a little shy of the .804 that Szczur had at Daytona last year at the same age; when Szczur was up to .804 last year, I was pretty interested, much more than I am now. I'm not a DeVoss guy, but it may be that Szczur will fall below DeVoss.

[Tangled Up in Plaid]

I don't think DeVoss' hit tool is going to hold up in AA.

[Guest]

Can someone sell me on why Szczur should be any higher than Ha or Andreoli? Because I just don't see it.

In theory, Szczur had more projectable power than Ha. This part is questionable as to whether it will ever matter since the power doesn't seem like it will materialize.

 

However, these things should all still apply: Szczur's a better athlete with better speed. He's been the much more patient hitter in the past. I've heard fewer mixed reports on his defense than Ha's. He is supposed to have the good old "off the charts makeup" thing working for him. The age differential is explained/balanced by the later start for Szczur due to the two sport background. The earlier promotion for Ha can be explained by an entire extra season at the AA level.

[Guest]

I don't think DeVoss' hit tool is going to hold up in AA.

This plus it will take longer for DeVoss to reach the majors (assuming he makes it eventually) than it will likely take Almora. Heck, Hannemann could pass up DeVoss.

 

It's too bad Rubi Silva feels like taking a walk is a failure on his part. With his increase in power this year he'd be somewhat interesting if he didn't have a walk rate under 3%.

[Guest]

Eric Jokisch starts the resumption of yesterday's suspended Tennessee game.

[Guest]

Josh Vitters activated off the Iowa DL.

[Guest]

Eric Jokisch was named SL Pitcher of the Week and Kris Bryant was named NWL Player of the Week.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Javy struck out looking on a 3-2 pitch earlier, so this PA he just said screw it and homered.

[gscool89]

Javier Baez HR. #12 in AA, #29 overall:

https://vine.co/v/hMWdMUQrtr5

[jersey cubs fan]

What did he use, 5 wood?

 

That swing is ridiculous.

[imb]

What did he use, 5 wood?

 

That swing is ridiculous.

 

holy [expletive] you aren't kidding

[davell]

On a 3-0 pitch.

[rawaction]

Bryant to Daytona is official.

[ctcf]

Dat swing

[Cubs Fan Dan]

I am sensing multiple Javy bombs tonight!

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I haven't done the math, but I think as of right now Baez's Southern League OPS is No. 2 in the league for players with at least 100 PAs, behind Yasiel Puig.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Baez Ks looking again, didn't seem to like the call.

[Gilby]

Javier Baez HR. #12 in AA, #29 overall:

https://vine.co/v/hMWdMUQrtr5

 

Oh my god. That is hilarious.