Garza to Texas for CJ Edwards, Olt, Grimm & Neil Ramirez

[davell]

@Evan_P_Grant: Cubs had to accept Grimm instead of Odor after Rangers raised issues about Garza's elbow.

 

[expletive] me.

Again, very happy with the return, but damn.....That would have been a HOLY [expletive] type of return.

[Guest]

Am I the only one who says Mike Olt's name the way Steve Holt says his?

[dfnowak]

I don't know why I went to the Cubs facebook page on the comments from the announcement. It's hilarious just how dumb and clueless these people are, but it boggles my mind and makes me pissed off at the same time on how dumb these people can be all upset that they " got rid of and dumped him for nothing." All the same awesome, smart people who went insane when Theriot and Campana were gone comparing them to Lou Brock.

Same heathens who don't want the Wrigley Field renovations.

[Guest]

Am I the only one who says Mike Olt's name the way Steve Holt says his?

 

I hope Olt doesn't age like 30 years in the next 5-10.

[Guest]

Odor wasn't in the deal that media from both sides said got nixed last week, and Grimm and Odor are pieces that serve vastly different purposes even aside from their talent level/value. Having a hard time believing that one.

[Exile on Waveland]

Oh, screw it.

 

I'm really excited to get Mike Olt even if it is stupid to feel that way.

 

yes, me too

 

Me too. Talent is talent.

[Clem Fandango]

Am I the only one who says Mike Olt's name the way Steve Holt says his?

 

No sir, you are not.

[Illini Iceman]

So, at AAA we have Arrieta, Grimm, and Cabrera, and I have to think Hendricks will be moving up before too much longer as well. That's not too shabby. Also Loux, whom I forgot about. They can wrangle a starter or two and some bullpen help out of that bunch.

 

The bad news is if all those guys are in AAA it means we most likely will need to suffer through a Rusin start every 5 days for the big league team.

[toonsterwu]

So, I'm late to the party. I'm not ready to get excited about the deal just yet, although to be clear, I think the value is fair-to-good for less than half a season of Garza. Now, depending on who the PTBNL is, I could get excited about the deal. It's just, I've never been a Grimm fan. Even healthy, his ceiling was never huge, and I wanted ceiling in this deal. I do like CJ Edwards a fair amount, as noted, and I like Olt. Is Olt risky? Sure, but there's enough to dream on/hope for. A lot of it is similar to Brett Jackson dreaming, but the difficulty in finding third basemen might give Olt a chance if he can just hit enough (damn, that sure sounds like Brett Jackson dreaming).

 

The way it sounds, it's as if we can stock up on two further away arms or someone closer (may be reading too much into it). Makes it sound like they want to see how Neil Ramirez does in his next few so, otherwise they would go with Plan B of taking two guys. If the result is Ramirez/Grimm/Olt/Edwards, that's a heck of a deal, 3 arms with a variety of ceiling/readiness mixed in, plus a lottery ticket gamble in Olt.

 

To be quite honest, I'm still mildly surprised no other team tried to top that package in a seller's market. It's a good package (even if we don't get Ramirez and get value that Theo and Jed consider equal to Ramirez), but there's warts for every guy. Of course, that's colored by my perception, and maybe Theo and Jed rate these guys far higher than I do (particularly Ramirez/Olt/Grimm).

[toonsterwu]

Is this a better return than what the Brewers got for Greinke last year?

 

On paper, IMO, yes (assuming the PTBNL is Ramirez, or value approximate of it). Of course, Segura took off, so if we're looking at it from the perspective of what Segura has done now, then no. As a prospect, Segura wasn't this lights out offensive monster he's been this year.

 

None of that really matters, though. What matters is that the Cubs get potentially 3-4 arms in the deal, adding a much needed infusion of talent at the key area of need, along with a lottery ticket in Olt. If it's Ramirez, I think Ramirez/Edwards both slot in our top 15, and maybe there's a case for top 10, and Olt probably is in that mix (but haven't pondered it yet). The trade meets our needs with upside and quantity, and for that reason alone, it's a good trade.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Am I the only one who says Mike Olt's name the way Steve Holt says his?

Nope

[toonsterwu]

Is there any question that this is an equal or better return than what we traded for 2 1/2 years of Garza?

 

That's a bit more debatable. I was never a Hak-ju Lee fan, but you could argue that Lee's value/hoped for potential was higher than Olt (people loved Lee ... I never did), and Archer is a better raw arm talent than anyone in this deal. As laughable as the idea of Chirinos being important now is, keep in mind he was suppposedly the guy that the Rays wanted/picked. Guyer was always an acceptable depth OF/AAA depth starter.

 

Now, if you are thinking about it as 2.5 years of Garza, plus this package of talent vs. the talent we gave up, then sure, it's an awesome trade. If it's just a talent comparison, I think the Cubs package then was pretty dang good.

[Guest]

Am I the only one who says Mike Olt's name the way Steve Holt says his?

 

No sir, you are not.

 

I could see Len potentially doing this

[toonsterwu]

So does CJ Edwards become our top pitching prospect?

 

He's up there, and he's an exciting arm talent, but Pierce Johnson is still tops, and Rob Zastryzny is up there as well. If the other piece is a Ramirez, he probably goes ahead. But CJ should be in our top 5 arms.

[Guest]

Dan Szymborski ‏@DSzymborski 1h

Essentially, the Cubs get 6 years of Olt, 5 years of Grimm, 6 years of Edwards, an PTBNL for 1 win.

 

that's a fun way to look at it.

[toonsterwu]

Oh, screw it.

 

I'm really excited to get Mike Olt even if it is stupid to feel that way.

 

There's no reason to feel stupid about it. It's hard to find third basemen these days, and Olt can pick it and has pop. If he can simply hit enough ... he has a shot. Sure, a lot of Brett Jackson dreaming, but it's a very good gamble in a trade like this, particularly since we got enough arm talent to fill needs up and down the system.

[Guest]

Dan Szymborski ‏@DSzymborski 1h

Essentially, the Cubs get 6 years of Olt, 5 years of Grimm, 6 years of Edwards, an PTBNL for 1 win.

 

that's a fun way to look at it.

 

Boner all over again

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Dan Szymborski ‏@DSzymborski 1h

Essentially, the Cubs get 6 years of Olt, 5 years of Grimm, 6 years of Edwards, an PTBNL for 1 win.

 

that's a fun way to look at it.

Indeed

[Guest]

@GDubCub Cubs PTNBL deal w/Tex works like this:If they choose Ramirez, deals done.If they don't take him,they get to select 2 from a pool

[Tangled Up in Plaid]

Am I the only one who says Mike Olt's name the way Steve Holt says his?

 

Well, I do now.

[Irrelevant Dude]

@GDubCub Cubs PTNBL deal w/Tex works like this:If they choose Ramirez, deals done.If they don't take him,they get to select 2 from a pool

I'll take the pool for 100 Alex.

[Guancous]

@GDubCub Cubs PTNBL deal w/Tex works like this:If they choose Ramirez, deals done.If they don't take him,they get to select 2 from a pool

 

This is a great trade even if you don't include Grimm.

[XZero771679666304]

@GDubCub Cubs PTNBL deal w/Tex works like this:If they choose Ramirez, deals done.If they don't take him,they get to select 2 from a pool

 

 

So there are no "if" clauses (WS/Garza extentsion)?

 

I feel pretty good about the deal as is, but if you add Ramirez it goes from being good to great, imo.

[Tangled Up in Plaid]

So it doesn't sound like there's any conditions at all as far as the Rangers' or Garza's performance. Cubs just haven't decided who they want yet.

[toonsterwu]

@GDubCub Cubs PTNBL deal w/Tex works like this:If they choose Ramirez, deals done.If they don't take him,they get to select 2 from a pool

I'll take the pool for 100 Alex.

 

Really depends on who the pool is. Ramirez seems like the ceiling on the arms we could likely get, so we're looking at several guys below that. There's some raw upside guys in the system (as there is in all systems), but if Ramirez is sort of a ceiling on the talent of the arms we can get, then there's a case to be made for gambling on Ramirez's upside because we don't need filler/solid, as we have that.