Feldman to Orioles for Stropp, Arietta, bonus slots

[Tracer Bullet]

I wish Shark just would have said, "good riddance. This team sucks so we should trade everyone and punt the rest of this season."

[TruffleShuffle]

well yeah of course the team doesn't improve this year by trading feldman, but the guy is on a one year contract and the team is more than 10 games out of a playoff spot. samardzija should understand that (a) the cubs aren't going anywhere with feldman, so in their long-term interests it makes far more sense to trade him for players who might be part of an improved team in future years than to keep him around to win an extra game or two.

 

he should also realize that clevenger is a mediocre backup catcher who can't stay healthy, and his inadequate production negates any positive benefit from him being a guy who plays the game the right way and is a good competitor when playing video games in the club house.

 

I'm not so sure he doesn't understand all this. I just think it's not on him to give a crap about the long-term interests of the ballclub. He's on the Chicago Cubs in 2013 and they suck and just traded away a good player. He saw this last year and he's been a part of a team that has been bad for a long time. At 30,000 feet you can see the promise on the horizon, but the guys who have to play on this crap team right now don't have the advantage of tuning out and waiting for the future.

 

i guess i just don't really see the difference. this team was already bad with feldman. there was no realistic scenario in which the cubs became good in the second half and made the playoffs. they can win like 68 games with feldman and clevenger and other assorted great guys who play the game hard and play the right way, or they can win 62 games with other great guys who sometimes play the game the wrong way.

 

and i'm sure it sucks being on a lousy ballclub, but when you sign with a team that hasn't won it all since the teddy roosevelt administration, you should have an idea of what you're getting into.

[SouthSideRyan]

how could feldman be one of his boys? the guy was around for like 6 months.

 

Because he was in the rotation with him and they probably spent a [expletive] ton of time together over the past 6 months?

 

and the same with Clevenger. A great dude to have around, a great teammate who played the game hard and played the right way.

 

 

oh brother. this guy has a future in broadcasting for sure.

 

Oh, a pro athlete is tossing out platitudes about guys they're close with, the horror!

[Guest]

well yeah of course the team doesn't improve this year by trading feldman, but the guy is on a one year contract and the team is more than 10 games out of a playoff spot. samardzija should understand that (a) the cubs aren't going anywhere with feldman, so in their long-term interests it makes far more sense to trade him for players who might be part of an improved team in future years than to keep him around to win an extra game or two.

 

he should also realize that clevenger is a mediocre backup catcher who can't stay healthy, and his inadequate production negates any positive benefit from him being a guy who plays the game the right way and is a good competitor when playing video games in the club house.

 

I'm not so sure he doesn't understand all this. I just think it's not on him to give a crap about the long-term interests of the ballclub. He's on the Chicago Cubs in 2013 and they suck and just traded away a good player. He saw this last year and he's been a part of a team that has been bad for a long time. At 30,000 feet you can see the promise on the horizon, but the guys who have to play on this crap team right now don't have the advantage of tuning out and waiting for the future.

 

i guess i just don't really see the difference. this team was already bad with feldman. there was no realistic scenario in which the cubs became good in the second half and made the playoffs. they can win like 68 games with feldman and clevenger and other assorted great guys who play the game hard and play the right way, or they can win 62 games with other great guys who sometimes play the game the wrong way.

 

and i'm sure it sucks being on a lousy ballclub, but when you sign with a team that hasn't won it all since the teddy roosevelt administration, you should have an idea of what you're getting into.

 

well that's dumb

[Andy]

and i'm sure it sucks being on a lousy ballclub, but when you sign with a team that hasn't won it all since the teddy roosevelt administration, you should have an idea of what you're getting into.

The Cubs made the playoffs the first two seasons after Samardzija signed. Players don't look at this stuff the way fans do.

[jersey cubs fan]

well yeah of course the team doesn't improve this year by trading feldman, but the guy is on a one year contract and the team is more than 10 games out of a playoff spot. samardzija should understand that (a) the cubs aren't going anywhere with feldman, so in their long-term interests it makes far more sense to trade him for players who might be part of an improved team in future years than to keep him around to win an extra game or two.

 

he should also realize that clevenger is a mediocre backup catcher who can't stay healthy, and his inadequate production negates any positive benefit from him being a guy who plays the game the right way and is a good competitor when playing video games in the club house.

 

I'm not so sure he doesn't understand all this. I just think it's not on him to give a crap about the long-term interests of the ballclub. He's on the Chicago Cubs in 2013 and they suck and just traded away a good player. He saw this last year and he's been a part of a team that has been bad for a long time. At 30,000 feet you can see the promise on the horizon, but the guys who have to play on this crap team right now don't have the advantage of tuning out and waiting for the future.

 

i guess i just don't really see the difference. this team was already bad with feldman. there was no realistic scenario in which the cubs became good in the second half and made the playoffs. they can win like 68 games with feldman and clevenger and other assorted great guys who play the game hard and play the right way, or they can win 62 games with other great guys who sometimes play the game the wrong way.

 

and i'm sure it sucks being on a lousy ballclub, but when you sign with a team that hasn't won it all since the teddy roosevelt administration, you should have an idea of what you're getting into.

 

Well, there isn't a difference. And most everybody should recognize that, but the players are exempt from thinking about that sort of stuff in my opinion. They are on the team and allowed to lament a teammate leaving and another season being thrown away.

 

He signed in 2006, a couple years after the team showed some signs of sustained success, but before that really fell apart. They got good again shortly thereafter. I think he signed on with the expectation of a team that wouldn't win it all every year, but would be competitive in most years. Now he's in his fourth consecutive season of crap. And a draftee doesn't have a huge choice about which team he signs on with anyway.

[SouthSideRyan]

well yeah of course the team doesn't improve this year by trading feldman, but the guy is on a one year contract and the team is more than 10 games out of a playoff spot. samardzija should understand that (a) the cubs aren't going anywhere with feldman, so in their long-term interests it makes far more sense to trade him for players who might be part of an improved team in future years than to keep him around to win an extra game or two.

 

he should also realize that clevenger is a mediocre backup catcher who can't stay healthy, and his inadequate production negates any positive benefit from him being a guy who plays the game the right way and is a good competitor when playing video games in the club house.

 

I'm not so sure he doesn't understand all this. I just think it's not on him to give a crap about the long-term interests of the ballclub. He's on the Chicago Cubs in 2013 and they suck and just traded away a good player. He saw this last year and he's been a part of a team that has been bad for a long time. At 30,000 feet you can see the promise on the horizon, but the guys who have to play on this crap team right now don't have the advantage of tuning out and waiting for the future.

 

i guess i just don't really see the difference. this team was already bad with feldman. there was no realistic scenario in which the cubs became good in the second half and made the playoffs. they can win like 68 games with feldman and clevenger and other assorted great guys who play the game hard and play the right way, or they can win 62 games with other great guys who sometimes play the game the wrong way.

 

and i'm sure it sucks being on a lousy ballclub, but when you sign with a team that hasn't won it all since the teddy roosevelt administration, you should have an idea of what you're getting into.

 

So your argument is that Samardzija was stupid to sign a huge contract when he was drafted because the Cubs were going to slash payroll and not try 6 years down the road? It's not out of the realm of possibility that he is NOT signing with the team (long-term) because they haven't won it all since the Roosevelt administration, and with every sell off and punt of a season, it doesn't look like it'll change. (from his perspective)

 

How you could have been a college athlete and not see the difference from a player's perspective on winning 62 games vs 68 games (with guys they like) is astounding. Jeff Samardzija doesn't (and shouldn't) give a [expletive] about what's going on in A ball and how everything is going to be saved by 2016.

[muntjack]

At the game Sunday in Seattle, Shark and Feldman were acting like BFFs. When I heard this news, that was the first thing I thought about.

[TruffleShuffle]

well that's dumb

 

i was mostly just being flippant. just annoys me sometimes when players get butthurt because their buddy was traded, but hopefully it's just him blowing off steam because he and feldman got along well, and because the team sucks. if not, then i guess we get to trade him for something next year or whatever.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

It's not like Samardzija busted his way into a press conference with something to say. The reporters sought him out and asked him how he felt about his friend being traded, I'd imagine.

[Exile on Waveland]

"It was love at first sight. The first time Samardzija saw the pitcher he fell madly in love with him."

[USSoccer]

It's pretty rich to expect the guys actually on the team to subscribe to the already stupid enough notion of the waves and waves of prospects coming to save the team in 6 years, and therefore it's okay they blow now.

[Soul]

If what Banedon posted is all that Shark said, then I don't see a problem.

[Guest]

@jcrasnick I talked to a couple of scouts and a front office man last night who really liked the #cubs end of the Feldman deal.

 

@jcrasnick Everyone thinks Arrieta has the talent and stuff to be a "guy.'' It's just a question of getting his head on straight. #cubs

 

@jcrasnick Arrieta might ultimately wind up in the bullpen. But #cubs have the luxury of giving him an extended shot as a starter.

 

@jcrasnick Consensus is that Theo & Jed might have also helped increase Garza's value by moving Feldman so early. #cubs

[SouthSideRyan]

@jcrasnick I talked to a couple of scouts and a front office man last night who really liked the #cubs end of the Feldman deal.

 

@jcrasnick Everyone thinks Arrieta has the talent and stuff to be a "guy.'' It's just a question of getting his head on straight. #cubs

 

@jcrasnick Arrieta might ultimately wind up in the bullpen. But #cubs have the luxury of giving him an extended shot as a starter.

 

@jcrasnick Consensus is that Theo & Jed might have also helped increase Garza's value by moving Feldman so early. #cubs

 

On numbers, the last time Arrieta looked like he was worth a damn was 3 years ago. Since then he's alternated sucking in the majors and sucking in the minors as an old guy

[Guest]

@jcrasnick I talked to a couple of scouts and a front office man last night who really liked the #cubs end of the Feldman deal.

 

@jcrasnick Everyone thinks Arrieta has the talent and stuff to be a "guy.'' It's just a question of getting his head on straight. #cubs

 

@jcrasnick Arrieta might ultimately wind up in the bullpen. But #cubs have the luxury of giving him an extended shot as a starter.

 

@jcrasnick Consensus is that Theo & Jed might have also helped increase Garza's value by moving Feldman so early. #cubs

 

On numbers, the last time Arrieta looked like he was worth a damn was 3 years ago. Since then he's alternated sucking in the majors and sucking in the minors as an old guy

 

Or just last year?

[XZero771679666304]

@jcrasnick I talked to a couple of scouts and a front office man last night who really liked the #cubs end of the Feldman deal.

 

@jcrasnick Everyone thinks Arrieta has the talent and stuff to be a "guy.'' It's just a question of getting his head on straight. #cubs

 

@jcrasnick Arrieta might ultimately wind up in the bullpen. But #cubs have the luxury of giving him an extended shot as a starter.

 

@jcrasnick Consensus is that Theo & Jed might have also helped increase Garza's value by moving Feldman so early. #cubs

 

On numbers, the last time Arrieta looked like he was worth a damn was 3 years ago. Since then he's alternated sucking in the majors and sucking in the minors as an old guy

 

Or just last year?

 

Yeah, his FIP and xFIP were quite respectable in 2012.

[SouthSideRyan]

@jcrasnick I talked to a couple of scouts and a front office man last night who really liked the #cubs end of the Feldman deal.

 

@jcrasnick Everyone thinks Arrieta has the talent and stuff to be a "guy.'' It's just a question of getting his head on straight. #cubs

 

@jcrasnick Arrieta might ultimately wind up in the bullpen. But #cubs have the luxury of giving him an extended shot as a starter.

 

@jcrasnick Consensus is that Theo & Jed might have also helped increase Garza's value by moving Feldman so early. #cubs

 

On numbers, the last time Arrieta looked like he was worth a damn was 3 years ago. Since then he's alternated sucking in the majors and sucking in the minors as an old guy

 

Or just last year?

 

Is this the K/BB is all that matters no matter how much batting practice he serves conversation?

[Guest]

@jcrasnick I talked to a couple of scouts and a front office man last night who really liked the #cubs end of the Feldman deal.

 

@jcrasnick Everyone thinks Arrieta has the talent and stuff to be a "guy.'' It's just a question of getting his head on straight. #cubs

 

@jcrasnick Arrieta might ultimately wind up in the bullpen. But #cubs have the luxury of giving him an extended shot as a starter.

 

@jcrasnick Consensus is that Theo & Jed might have also helped increase Garza's value by moving Feldman so early. #cubs

 

On numbers, the last time Arrieta looked like he was worth a damn was 3 years ago. Since then he's alternated sucking in the majors and sucking in the minors as an old guy

 

Or just last year?

 

Is this the K/BB is all that matters no matter how much batting practice he serves conversation?

 

It's not all that matters, but it's enough to suggest there's something there that's worth a damn.

[mul21]

 

Is this the K/BB is all that matters no matter how much batting practice he serves conversation?

 

He's got a great arm and I wouldn't be surprised to see him sent to Iowa to learn how to throw the cutter we've all been hearing so much about that has apparently helped out Travis wood so much. That and having him throw less different types of pitches. Right now he has a 4 seam, a sinker, a slider, a curve, and a change. I wouldn't be surprised to see that cut down to 3 of those plus a cutter. As smart as the FO is, I have to believe they see something fixable in this guy to bring him in in a trade like this.

[SouthSideRyan]

 

Is this the K/BB is all that matters no matter how much batting practice he serves conversation?

 

He's got a great arm and I wouldn't be surprised to see him sent to Iowa to learn how to throw the cutter we've all been hearing so much about that has apparently helped out Travis wood so much. That and having him throw less different types of pitches. Right now he has a 4 seam, a sinker, a slider, a curve, and a change. I wouldn't be surprised to see that cut down to 3 of those plus a cutter. As smart as the FO is, I have to believe they see something fixable in this guy to bring him in in a trade like this.

 

And that's fine, the issue still is that the headliner of the package is a guy who by next ST will be out of options, 28, and entering a do-or-die season until he's non-tendered. If they plan on fixing him they better start yesterday.

[toonsterwu]

"I don't think this team improves by trading Scott Feldman," Samardzija said. "He was one of our better pitchers. He's thrown a lot of innings, a solid dude, a solid guy in the clubhouse.

 

"It's a shame to see him go, and the same with Clevenger. A great dude to have around, a great teammate who played the game hard and played the right way. It's unfortunate. Just hope the guys they get in return are comparable and bring the same attitude to the field every day that those guys brought."

 

Will that affect Samardzija's future? He's considered part of the core, but he turned down a five-year deal over the winter.

 

"Well, I definitely don't want to see all my boys traded, that's for sure," he replied. "That wouldn't be the coolest thing in the world, especially when we feel we're not too far away from being a pretty darn good team. We'll see how this all turns out by July 31 and then go from there."

 

I'm wondering why people have a problem with this? I really don't know what else he's supposed to say. It's not like Samardzija has promised to resign with the Cubs already. He's clearly taking it year-to-year. I mean, he did say he hopes the guys coming back are comparable and bring the same attitude. He also said he doesn't feel like they are that far away either.

 

I really don't see how any of this is a problem.

[Guest]

It's only one guy that really seemed to take issue with it.

[jersey cubs fan]

@jcrasnick Everyone thinks Arrieta has the talent and stuff to be a "guy.'' It's just a question of getting his head on straight. #cubs

 

Is that supposed to say something else? Like, "the guy"? "A guy" sounds like a rather mundane description, especially for a description for what somebody might become if he gets his head on straight.

[Guest]

@jcrasnick Everyone thinks Arrieta has the talent and stuff to be a "guy.'' It's just a question of getting his head on straight. #cubs

 

Is that supposed to say something else? Like, "the guy"? "A guy" sounds like a rather mundane description, especially for a description for what somebody might become if he gets his head on straight.

That is to say, he needs to be full of want.