Rizzo

[Tangled Up in Plaid]

foul balls was really the thing I was curious about, thanks.

[imb]

Yeah, but who is or was legitimately arguing that Abreu is better overall? The question basically was "why is the local sports press going nuts over him and essentially ignoring Rizzo?" That should have been painfully obvious even before it was brought up.

 

probably the same reason you drooled over him in the offseason

[Sammy Sofa]

Yeah, but who is or was legitimately arguing that Abreu is better overall? The question basically was "why is the local sports press going nuts over him and essentially ignoring Rizzo?" That should have been painfully obvious even before it was brought up.

 

probably the same reason you drooled over him in the offseason

 

From the beginning (or whenever the hell I actually read that he was an orc defensively) I said I knew the Cubs weren't going to get him because of Rizzo, but yeah, I was SO off in lamenting that they couldn't sign a home run monster because the stupid NL doesn't have the DH.

[Z38Cubs]

Wasn't sure where to post this, but here's one of the worst/most misguided articles you'll ever read. By our good friend Wittenmyer.

http://

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/27259590-573/white-sox-slugger-jose-abreu-exposes-cubs-fallacy.html#.U2kPiGcU-M9

[Guest]

Wasn't sure where to post this, but here's one of the worst/most misguided articles you'll ever read. By our good friend Wittenmyer.

http://

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/27259590-573/white-sox-slugger-jose-abreu-exposes-cubs-fallacy.html#.U2kPiGcU-M9

 

 

I don't see how it's misguided at all, and I think Wittenmyer is a hack who is only slightly less troll-like than Sullivan.

[SouthSideRyan]

But when the new front office met with its new field staff before the 2012 season, sources inside that room say the words “unlimited resources” were used to describe the power the Cubs would bring to the process. Within months, the sources said, they were told those resources didn’t exist and to brace for a lengthy process.

 

So what changed?

 

Also pretty surprised at Ricketts's candor with the students to say Theo keeps asking for more money and he tells him not until some time in the distance for which I'm not quite sure when it is.

[ConstableRabbit]

Wasn't sure where to post this, but here's one of the worst/most misguided articles you'll ever read. By our good friend Wittenmyer.

http://

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/27259590-573/white-sox-slugger-jose-abreu-exposes-cubs-fallacy.html#.U2kPiGcU-M9

 

 

I don't see how it's misguided at all, and I think Wittenmyer is a hack who is only slightly less troll-like than Sullivan.

There are 2 points he's making.

1. The way the Cubs are choosing to rebuild is not "the only way" to do so.

2. Jose Abreu is proof of the above.

 

I think we can all agree that #1 is correct; I disagree with #2.

[Guest]

Wasn't sure where to post this, but here's one of the worst/most misguided articles you'll ever read. By our good friend Wittenmyer.

http://

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/27259590-573/white-sox-slugger-jose-abreu-exposes-cubs-fallacy.html#.U2kPiGcU-M9

 

 

I don't see how it's misguided at all, and I think Wittenmyer is a hack who is only slightly less troll-like than Sullivan.

There are 2 points he's making.

1. The way the Cubs are choosing to rebuild is not "the only way" to do so.

2. Jose Abreu is proof of the above.

 

I think we can all agree that #1 is correct; I disagree with #2.

 

I think Jose Abreu absolutely is evidence. He wouldn't have fit with the Cubs, but it's the type of player we should be going after aggressively and acquiring when available.

[Guest]

But when the new front office met with its new field staff before the 2012 season, sources inside that room say the words “unlimited resources” were used to describe the power the Cubs would bring to the process. Within months, the sources said, they were told those resources didn’t exist and to brace for a lengthy process.

 

So what changed?

 

Also pretty surprised at Ricketts's candor with the students to say Theo keeps asking for more money and he tells him not until some time in the distance for which I'm not quite sure when it is.

 

Paying for their own renovations? Were they delusional enough to be convinced that they were going to get the public money someway/somehow? Straight up lying?

 

 

When did the Joe Ricketts/Obama [expletive] happen?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Boston Theo would not have given two poops about "fit."

 

I'd rather have Rizzo in our OF than the turds we're throwing out there this year.

[Guest]

Boston Theo would not have given two poops about "fit."

 

I'd rather have Rizzo in our OF than the turds we're throwing out there this year.

 

 

I'd rather just have Nelson Cruz or one of the other random OF's we couldv'e gotten and not [expletive] with Rizzo.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Boston Theo would not have given two poops about "fit."

 

I'd rather have Rizzo in our OF than the turds we're throwing out there this year.

 

 

I'd rather just have Nelson Cruz or one of the other random OF's we couldv'e gotten and not [expletive] with Rizzo.

 

Sure, that'd be preferable.

 

But what did you actually get? Nothing. I would have rather had Abreu than nothing.

[ConstableRabbit]

Wasn't sure where to post this, but here's one of the worst/most misguided articles you'll ever read. By our good friend Wittenmyer.

http://

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/27259590-573/white-sox-slugger-jose-abreu-exposes-cubs-fallacy.html#.U2kPiGcU-M9

 

 

I don't see how it's misguided at all, and I think Wittenmyer is a hack who is only slightly less troll-like than Sullivan.

There are 2 points he's making.

1. The way the Cubs are choosing to rebuild is not "the only way" to do so.

2. Jose Abreu is proof of the above.

 

I think we can all agree that #1 is correct; I disagree with #2.

 

I think Jose Abreu absolutely is evidence. He wouldn't have fit with the Cubs, but it's the type of player we should be going after aggressively and acquiring when available.

I mean, the Cubs have tried to go after guys who they thought would have fit with the Cubs. Now, some thing that those efforts were for show, but if you take the team at its word, we did make the effort.

 

I don't think Abreu is a good example because:

1. He's a flawed hitter (which was widely discussed on this board in the offseason) and is currently outperforming his peripherals

2. (Related to 1) He's not a bad-to-the-bone difference-maker

[jersey cubs fan]

How does that make him a bad example? Because he isn't perfect?

[Guest]

Wasn't sure where to post this, but here's one of the worst/most misguided articles you'll ever read. By our good friend Wittenmyer.

http://

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/27259590-573/white-sox-slugger-jose-abreu-exposes-cubs-fallacy.html#.U2kPiGcU-M9

 

 

I don't see how it's misguided at all, and I think Wittenmyer is a hack who is only slightly less troll-like than Sullivan.

There are 2 points he's making.

1. The way the Cubs are choosing to rebuild is not "the only way" to do so.

2. Jose Abreu is proof of the above.

 

I think we can all agree that #1 is correct; I disagree with #2.

 

I think Jose Abreu absolutely is evidence. He wouldn't have fit with the Cubs, but it's the type of player we should be going after aggressively and acquiring when available.

I mean, the Cubs have tried to go after guys who they thought would have fit with the Cubs. Now, some thing that those efforts were for show, but if you take the team at its word, we did make the effort.

 

I don't think Abreu is a good example because:

1. He's a flawed hitter (which was widely discussed on this board in the offseason) and is currently outperforming his peripherals

2. (Related to 1) He's not a bad-to-the-bone difference-maker

 

Making the effort isn't good enough. If the FO had the resources that they should (or "unlimited" as they were allegedly told) at their disposal, we might actually win some of these.

[jersey cubs fan]

Paying for their own renovations? Were they delusional enough to be convinced that they were going to get the public money someway/somehow? Straight up lying?

 

 

When did the Joe Ricketts/Obama [expletive] happen?

 

2012 campaign season.

[SouthSideRyan]

Boston Theo would not have given two poops about "fit."

 

I'd rather have Rizzo in our OF than the turds we're throwing out there this year.

 

 

I'd rather just have Nelson Cruz or one of the other random OF's we couldv'e gotten and not [expletive] with Rizzo.

 

Ellsbury

[Guest]

Paying for their own renovations? Were they delusional enough to be convinced that they were going to get the public money someway/somehow? Straight up lying?

 

 

When did the Joe Ricketts/Obama [expletive] happen?

 

2012 campaign season.

 

It would really suck if there was some deal that was near being worked out with Emmanuel for getting the money publicly somehow and that fell through because of that stupidity.

 

Can that even be a thing?

Edited May 6, 2014 by David

[ConstableRabbit]

How does that make him a bad example? Because he isn't perfect?

Of course not.

 

Look, the Cubs have some sort of budget constraints. The Cubs have also tried to get free agents that would have been productive for the major league club. The Cubs missed on those free agents because of budget constraints. Jose Abreu was a free agent who wasn't as good as the ones the Cubs targeted. He was had at a reasonable price due to his lesser abilities and older age. There was no place for him on the Cubs. Had the Cubs needed a first baseman, they may have made a run at him.

 

And the end of the day, I don't think that is Abreu the case study for how to build at the major league level via free agency. It smells of media meatballery and gushing over a pleasant surprise at the beginning of the season. Would this article would have been written if Abreu weren't outperforming his peripherals?

[SouthSideRyan]

Paying for their own renovations? Were they delusional enough to be convinced that they were going to get the public money someway/somehow? Straight up lying?

 

 

When did the Joe Ricketts/Obama [expletive] happen?

 

2012 campaign season.

 

It would really suck if there was some deal that was near being worked out with Emmanuel for getting the money publicly somehow and that fell through because of that stupidity.

 

Can that even be a thing?

 

If our FO lost their ability to have "unlimited resources" because the Rickettses are now funding the stadium renovations themselves, then any talk of debt/terms of sale limitations holding down payroll are a steaming load of [expletive].

[jersey cubs fan]

How does that make him a bad example? Because he isn't perfect?

Of course not.

 

Look, the Cubs have some sort of budget constraints. The Cubs have also tried to get free agents that would have been productive for the major league club. The Cubs missed on those free agents because of budget constraints. Jose Abreu was a free agent who wasn't as good as the ones the Cubs targeted. He was had at a reasonable price due to his lesser abilities and older age. There was no place for him on the Cubs. Had the Cubs needed a first baseman, they may have made a run at him.

 

And the end of the day, I don't think that is Abreu the case study for how to build at the major league level via free agency. It smells of media meatballery and gushing over a pleasant surprise at the beginning of the season. Would this article would have been written if Abreu weren't outperforming his peripherals?

 

He's not the case study, but he is a perfectly reasonable example that plays for a team in the same city as the Cubs and happen to be playing them the day it was written.

 

there's nothing wrong with this.

[Guest]

How does that make him a bad example? Because he isn't perfect?

Of course not.

 

Look, the Cubs have some sort of budget constraints. The Cubs have also tried to get free agents that would have been productive for the major league club. The Cubs missed on those free agents because of budget constraints. Jose Abreu was a free agent who wasn't as good as the ones the Cubs targeted. He was had at a reasonable price due to his lesser abilities and older age. There was no place for him on the Cubs. Had the Cubs needed a first baseman, they may have made a run at him.

 

And the end of the day, I don't think that is Abreu the case study for how to build at the major league level via free agency. It smells of media meatballery and gushing over a pleasant surprise at the beginning of the season. Would this article would have been written if Abreu weren't outperforming his peripherals?

 

Does it matter?

[ConstableRabbit]

How does that make him a bad example? Because he isn't perfect?

Of course not.

 

Look, the Cubs have some sort of budget constraints. The Cubs have also tried to get free agents that would have been productive for the major league club. The Cubs missed on those free agents because of budget constraints. Jose Abreu was a free agent who wasn't as good as the ones the Cubs targeted. He was had at a reasonable price due to his lesser abilities and older age. There was no place for him on the Cubs. Had the Cubs needed a first baseman, they may have made a run at him.

 

And the end of the day, I don't think that is Abreu the case study for how to build at the major league level via free agency. It smells of media meatballery and gushing over a pleasant surprise at the beginning of the season. Would this article would have been written if Abreu weren't outperforming his peripherals?

 

Does it matter?

Yes, because we're talking about rebuilding, not being hot for a month.

[WrigleyField 22]

Boston Theo would not have given two poops about "fit."

 

I'd rather have Rizzo in our OF than the turds we're throwing out there this year.

 

 

I'd rather just have Nelson Cruz or one of the other random OF's we couldv'e gotten and not [expletive] with Rizzo.

 

Ellsbury

Should have done major backloading to Choo and Ellsbury and gotten them both. They're both signed through at least 2019, when were supposed to get TV money. Start them both at 7 or so and that's basically Tanaka's annual allocation. Then spread over the 7-8M difference in Y1 over the last three years. Soriano money covers the big Y1 to Y2 jump in 2015. But we wanted to go all in for Tanaka without really going all in, so now we left money in the table and our OF is awful.

[jersey cubs fan]

How does that make him a bad example? Because he isn't perfect?

Of course not.

 

Look, the Cubs have some sort of budget constraints. The Cubs have also tried to get free agents that would have been productive for the major league club. The Cubs missed on those free agents because of budget constraints. Jose Abreu was a free agent who wasn't as good as the ones the Cubs targeted. He was had at a reasonable price due to his lesser abilities and older age. There was no place for him on the Cubs. Had the Cubs needed a first baseman, they may have made a run at him.

 

And the end of the day, I don't think that is Abreu the case study for how to build at the major league level via free agency. It smells of media meatballery and gushing over a pleasant surprise at the beginning of the season. Would this article would have been written if Abreu weren't outperforming his peripherals?

 

Does it matter?

Yes, because we're talking about rebuilding, not being hot for a month.

 

No, we're talking about fielding a competitive team while in the process of contending. Or put another way, the notion of rebuilding without taking a multi-year dive.