2013 College Football off-season

[E.J.]

John Brice of Volquest reporting that Hart has talked to Rich Rodriguez. I know people at Michigan hated him, but I kinda like the idea.

 

Is that desperation talking?

 

Yes

 

Seems like he could work if we ensured he brought in a good dc and didn't use the 3-3-5. My thinking is he never was given enough time to make the roster fit his offense in Michigan.

 

Rich Rod's recruiting classes were terrible at Michigan. Tiny slot receivers everywhere. We're still recovering. He's a great offensive mind, but that's about it.

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John Brice of Volquest reporting that Hart has talked to Rich Rodriguez. I know people at Michigan hated him, but I kinda like the idea.

 

Is that desperation talking?

 

Yes

 

Seems like he could work if we ensured he brought in a good dc and didn't use the 3-3-5. My thinking is he never was given enough time to make the roster fit his offense in Michigan.

 

Rich Rod's recruiting classes were terrible at Michigan. Tiny slot receivers everywhere. We're still recovering. He's a great offensive mind, but that's about it.

 

Really? His 09 class was top 10 and includes most of the good players on the team (Nard, Lewan, Fitz, Gallon Roh). Even his 2010 class had Gardner. The WR weren't great but that's one position where a true freshman can often step right in and contribute. He only really had 2 classes as he was signed in Dec 07 (when Lloyd had mostly recruited the class) and fired in Jan 11. I knew UM fans didn't like the fit of a lot of his players for Hoke's offense but I didn't think there was a question that his 09 class was strong.

[dew1679666265]

Really? His 09 class was top 10 and includes most of the good players on the team (Nard, Lewan, Fitz, Gallon Roh). Even his 2010 class had Gardner. The WR weren't great but that's one position where a true freshman can often step right in and contribute. He only really had 2 classes as he was signed in Dec 07 (when Lloyd had mostly recruited the class) and fired in Jan 11. I knew UM fans didn't like the fit of a lot of his players for Hoke's offense but I didn't think there was a question that his 09 class was strong.

 

Yeah, my understanding was that his recruiting has always been good - for his system. There are a number of guys I'd want over RichRod, but I like him much more than guys like Butch Jones and Kirby Smart.

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Why not Kirby?

[sneakypower]

Rich Rod is best suited for a smaller profile job where his indifference toward recruiting becomes less of a detriment

 

he seems to be doing OK at Arizona, though i don't really know how upset they are over his handling of Matt Scott's concussion

[dew1679666265]

Why not Kirby?

 

The chances of him having any real say in that defense are next to zero - it's Saban's defense. I'm sure he does something well or he wouldn't be on Saban's staff, but I'd like somebody who I know had more control over their side of the ball than Kirby likely has had in Alabama.

 

Sounding like Butch Jones is the frontrunner anyway...... He was about to settle for the worst program in the nation and now we may be about to hire him. If this hire goes through, Jones and Hart better hope they win quick or the 60-80K that were showing up the second half of the season for Dooley are going to look like big crowds really quick.

[dew1679666265]

Jones has reportedly called a team meeting for 7:30 a.m. tomorrow. I cannot express how much I want it to be him announcing he's staying at Cincinnati.

 

If he's the hire, we may as well have kept Dooley another year.

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I'm hearing Hart just offered the job to Te'o hoping he'll accept out of what's become habit this week.

[E.J.]

John Brice of Volquest reporting that Hart has talked to Rich Rodriguez. I know people at Michigan hated him, but I kinda like the idea.

 

Is that desperation talking?

 

Yes

 

Seems like he could work if we ensured he brought in a good dc and didn't use the 3-3-5. My thinking is he never was given enough time to make the roster fit his offense in Michigan.

 

Rich Rod's recruiting classes were terrible at Michigan. Tiny slot receivers everywhere. We're still recovering. He's a great offensive mind, but that's about it.

 

Really? His 09 class was top 10 and includes most of the good players on the team (Nard, Lewan, Fitz, Gallon Roh). Even his 2010 class had Gardner. The WR weren't great but that's one position where a true freshman can often step right in and contribute. He only really had 2 classes as he was signed in Dec 07 (when Lloyd had mostly recruited the class) and fired in Jan 11. I knew UM fans didn't like the fit of a lot of his players for Hoke's offense but I didn't think there was a question that his 09 class was strong.

 

2009 class produced some decent talent (not great by any means), but 2010 class has been a disaster with over half of the recruits already gone. Of course, some of that is the coaching change, but there was a lot of attrition before the coaching change. The defensive recruiting was awful. It's like he didn't even care about defense. Denard has been our entire team the past couple of seasons because we have no other athletes on offense. That's the main reason why Gardner started the season as a WR. Fitz is a decent RB, but he's not great by any stretch. Lewan is a 1st round draft pick, but that's really it. There just isn't much talent on Michigan right now. Some of that is because Carr gave up on recruiting his final seasons and the rest is because RR's classes have not been great.

 

I think Rich Rod is perfect for a smaller program like Arizona, but I wouldn't want him at Tennessee if I were a Vol's fan.

[dew1679666265]

I'm hearing Hart just offered the job to Te'o hoping he'll accept out of what's become habit this week.

 

I'd probably take Te'o over Butch Jones. Jones was literally about to take a job with the worst program in the country.

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Why not Kirby?

 

The chances of him having any real say in that defense are next to zero - it's Saban's defense. I'm sure he does something well or he wouldn't be on Saban's staff, but I'd like somebody who I know had more control over their side of the ball than Kirby likely has had in Alabama.

 

 

I've also heard that Kirby wasn't very impressive in his interview with Auburn. Certainly, he's seen how things should be done. However, there are just a lot of question marks. How would Smart handle being 'the man'? Saban keeps his coordinators locked in the back room hidden behind a curtain. They aren't even allowed to address media. Saban does all of the talking for his teams.

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Butch to Tennessee

[Ryne Ween]

I assumed butch would take the ND job after Kelly leaves to coach the dallas cowboys.

[dew1679666265]

I've also heard that Kirby wasn't very impressive in his interview with Auburn. Certainly, he's seen how things should be done. However, there are just a lot of question marks. How would Smart handle being 'the man'? Saban keeps his coordinators locked in the back room hidden behind a curtain. They aren't even allowed to address media. Saban does all of the talking for his teams.

 

Yeah - Dooley was the same way when he was here. It does make me wonder how Kirby would do as the "face" of the program.

[dew1679666265]

Butch to Tennessee

 

Dave Hart is announcing at 2:30 today that he's happy with Tennessee being nationally irrelevant for 3-5 more years.

[Guest]

Butch to Tennessee

 

Dave Hart is announcing at 2:30 today that he's happy with Tennessee being nationally irrelevant for 3-5 more years.

 

Seems a bit premature to pan the hiring.

[SouthSideRyan]

Butch to Tennessee

 

Dave Hart is announcing at 2:30 today that he's happy with Tennessee being nationally irrelevant for 3-5 more years.

 

Seems a bit premature to pan the hiring.

 

Especially when Gruden is still out there as a candidate.

[abuck1220]

this whole thing is just a ruse to leverage gruden.

 

YOUR MOVE CHUCKY.

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I assumed butch would take the ND job after Kelly leaves to coach the dallas cowboys.

 

I'm pretty sure Butch has been house shopping in Granger the last several months. He's probably trying to figure out how this could have happened.

[KingCubsFan]

Butch to Tennessee

 

Dave Hart is announcing at 2:30 today that he's happy with Tennessee being nationally irrelevant for 3-5 more years.

Hard to be nationally relevant when you're getting turned down left and right (including by one guy who would rather coach at Louisville).

[NewUserName]

Butch to Tennessee

 

Dave Hart is announcing at 2:30 today that he's happy with Tennessee being nationally irrelevant for 3-5 more years.

Hard to be nationally relevant when you're getting turned down left and right (including by one guy who would rather coach at Louisville).

 

This whole thing with Tennessee reminds me of Illinois...which is not good

[Guest]

Coaching Hire Report Card

 

Georgia State, Trent Miles: F

-LOST BY A FULL TOUCHDOWN TO INDIANA

-AT FOOTBALL

-NO SEC EXPERIENCE

 

Idaho, Paul Petrino: A+

-HAS NEVER LOST TO ANYBODY

-HAS SEC EXPERIENCE

-GOOD STUFF VANDALS

 

Kentucky, Mark Stoops: F

-HIS BROTHER BOB HAS LOST TO COLORADO, A WAC TEAM, COLORADO AGAIN, AND BAYLOR

-HIS BROTHER MIKE LOST TO NEW MEXICO

-TWICE

[dew1679666265]

Butch to Tennessee

 

Dave Hart is announcing at 2:30 today that he's happy with Tennessee being nationally irrelevant for 3-5 more years.

 

Seems a bit premature to pan the hiring.

 

There's nothing about Jones' resume to give me any reason to believe he's any more than a placeholder type coach. He won 8 games a year in the MAC and Big East with a couple blips up to 10 and 11 and one down to 4. And that's after taking over programs that Brian Kelly built and stocked for him.

 

The most likely scenario with Jones is that we win 8-9 games a year and never truly compete for a division title. If he'd been the only option left, fine. But there were better options out there that would have given more risk, but far more upside. I'd love to be proven wrong on this, but I just don't see any evidence that he's a good enough coach to make us a nationally relevant program again.

[dew1679666265]

Butch to Tennessee

 

Dave Hart is announcing at 2:30 today that he's happy with Tennessee being nationally irrelevant for 3-5 more years.

Hard to be nationally relevant when you're getting turned down left and right (including by one guy who would rather coach at Louisville).

 

Right, we're clearly not nationally relevant now but it should be the goal of the program to reach national relevance. I don't see how hiring a pretty good Big East/MAC coach does that.

 

Even after getting turned down by Gundy and Strong, there were still better options ou there. But we chose the safe route over the route that likely has us winning at a very high level again.

[Guest]

Evaluating college coaches at a macro level seems to be a really unreliable means to do so. Jones also wasn't dealing with Tennessee's resources or prestige when recruiting and coaching in the MAC and Cincy.