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Freese was never in a top 100? I thought he was a thought of fairly highly as a prospect. The point remains nonetheless, they have gotten super lucky with guys.
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Freese was never in a top 100? I thought he was a thought of fairly highly as a prospect. The point remains nonetheless, they have gotten super lucky with guys.

 

All I know is that he was one of a couple of prospects the Padres sent to STL for the corpse of Jim Edmonds

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...or maybe they're really good at player development?

With some guys yes. But a lot of the guys that come up and produce have very average minor league numbers/careers. Kozma has a career .652 minor league OPS and has just slightly gotten over .700 a few times. It's not like he was a guy they drafted and then he did well in the minors and then produced in the majors. He's been an absolutely shitty minor league player and now he's OPSing .900+ in the majors since his call up.

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If already come to accept that Kozma is going to ops 900+ next year and hit 20 plus HR and be the starting all-star SS. Also he's probably gonna win the world series MVP. [expletive] the Cardinals, it's such BS how they turn out guys like him on a yearly basis.

 

Between Kozma, Jay, Freese, Craig, Carpenter, Lynn, and Garcia, there's 1 appearance in a Top 100 prospects list, which belongs to Garcia when he came in at number 70 in 2007. They currently have 4 guys in the top 50. (Tavares, Miller, Martinez, Wong,) so I really hope Theo and Co.keep racking up top shelfers in the next few years.

 

I'm not real good at projecting arbitration figures, but it looks to me like the Cardinals will have only $1-4MM to spend if they aren't going to raise their payroll. That includes Berkman's $12MM and Lohse's $12MM and Fuentes $5MM coming off the books. The difference is due in large part to Molina, Carpenter and Wainwright combining for a $14MM raise. Each offseason I look at the Cardinals contracts situation and get excited because it appears that they will have to spend significantly more each offseason to tread water.

 

Then, they get an .876 OPS out of Craig for $495,000 while Pujols walks for $24,000,000 and has an OPS of .859. If you project Craig's HR totals out to the 607 AB that Pujols had he is at 28.5 HR and 45.3 2B. Pujols hit 30 HR and 50 2B.

 

Pixie. Dust.

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I'm not real good at projecting arbitration figures, but it looks to me like the Cardinals will have only $1-4MM to spend if they aren't going to raise their payroll. That includes Berkman's $12MM and Lohse's $12MM and Fuentes $5MM coming off the books. The difference is due in large part to Molina, Carpenter and Wainwright combining for a $14MM raise. Each offseason I look at the Cardinals contracts situation and get excited because it appears that they will have to spend significantly more each offseason to tread water.

 

Then, they get an .876 OPS out of Craig for $495,000 while Pujols walks for $24,000,000 and has an OPS of .859. If you project Craig's HR totals out to the 607 AB that Pujols had he is at 28.5 HR and 45.3 2B. Pujols hit 30 HR and 50 2B.

 

Pixie. Dust.

 

 

Attendance went up 200k, plus they are getting another year of playoff revenue, and it looks to me like they left at least $10 million or so on the table this year for whatever reason. I'm sure they could handle $125 in payroll if they wanted to.

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...or maybe they're really good at player development?

With some guys yes. But a lot of the guys that come up and produce have very average minor league numbers/careers. Kozma has a career .652 minor league OPS and has just slightly gotten over .700 a few times. It's not like he was a guy they drafted and then he did well in the minors and then produced in the majors. He's been an absolutely [expletive] minor league player and now he's OPSing .900+ in the majors since his call up.

relax, it's been 72 AB and change; didn't Ryan Sweeney have a 1000 OPS April?

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I'm not real good at projecting arbitration figures, but it looks to me like the Cardinals will have only $1-4MM to spend if they aren't going to raise their payroll. That includes Berkman's $12MM and Lohse's $12MM and Fuentes $5MM coming off the books. The difference is due in large part to Molina, Carpenter and Wainwright combining for a $14MM raise. Each offseason I look at the Cardinals contracts situation and get excited because it appears that they will have to spend significantly more each offseason to tread water.

 

Then, they get an .876 OPS out of Craig for $495,000 while Pujols walks for $24,000,000 and has an OPS of .859. If you project Craig's HR totals out to the 607 AB that Pujols had he is at 28.5 HR and 45.3 2B. Pujols hit 30 HR and 50 2B.

 

Pixie. Dust.

 

 

Attendance went up 200k, plus they are getting another year of playoff revenue, and it looks to me like they left at least $10 million or so on the table this year for whatever reason. I'm sure they could handle $125 in payroll if they wanted to.

 

That wasn't really the point of my post. The point is everybody was freaking out about replacing Pujols who had been making $14MM or $15MM in recent years, and their PLAN B for replacing him arguably outperformed him. He also is contributing more than Pujols ever did in the postseason outside his 3 HR game.

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...or maybe they're really good at player development?

With some guys yes. But a lot of the guys that come up and produce have very average minor league numbers/careers. Kozma has a career .652 minor league OPS and has just slightly gotten over .700 a few times. It's not like he was a guy they drafted and then he did well in the minors and then produced in the majors. He's been an absolutely [expletive] minor league player and now he's OPSing .900+ in the majors since his call up.

relax, it's been 72 AB and change; didn't Ryan Sweeney have a 1000 OPS April?

 

I don't think anyone actually thinks Kozma is going to become a star. I think the heart burn around here is that he is playing like a star down the stretch and in the playoffs. I mean, the Kozma OPSing over .900 next year was sarcasm, right?

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...or maybe they're really good at player development?

With some guys yes. But a lot of the guys that come up and produce have very average minor league numbers/careers. Kozma has a career .652 minor league OPS and has just slightly gotten over .700 a few times. It's not like he was a guy they drafted and then he did well in the minors and then produced in the majors. He's been an absolutely [expletive] minor league player and now he's OPSing .900+ in the majors since his call up.

relax, it's been 72 AB and change; didn't Ryan Sweeney have a 1000 OPS April?

 

I don't think anyone actually thinks Kozma is going to become a star. I think the heart burn around here is that he is playing like a star down the stretch and in the playoffs. I mean, the Kozma OPSing over .900 next year was sarcasm, right?

Yes.

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...or maybe they're really good at player development?

With some guys yes. But a lot of the guys that come up and produce have very average minor league numbers/careers. Kozma has a career .652 minor league OPS and has just slightly gotten over .700 a few times. It's not like he was a guy they drafted and then he did well in the minors and then produced in the majors. He's been an absolutely [expletive] minor league player and now he's OPSing .900+ in the majors since his call up.

relax, it's been 72 AB and change; didn't Ryan Sweeney have a 1000 OPS April?

 

I don't think anyone actually thinks Kozma is going to become a star. I think the heart burn around here is that he is playing like a star down the stretch and in the playoffs. I mean, the Kozma OPSing over .900 next year was sarcasm, right?

Yes.

I bet he goes higher than he ever was in the minors though. Edited by illiniguy
mul21 Myrtle Beach Pelicans

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Wait, was Lincecum really not going to get a start in the NLDS? I know he's been bad this year but that really surprises me. I hope the Giants win because I don't think anybody else really has the starting pitching to shut down the Cards offense.
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Orioles are the only team since 1900 not to suffer a walk-off loss. Incredible stat.

 

So much for that.

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