Dale Sveum to re arrange the deck chairs

[Banedon]

If only Theo had signed frontline starter and a real 1B the Cubs would be contending and this whole thread could have been avoided

 

So, if we improved what has quite possibly been the two strongest areas of the team, it'd solve all of our woes?

[jersey cubs fan]

If only Theo had signed frontline starter and a real 1B the Cubs would be contending and this whole thread could have been avoided

 

So, if we improved what has quite possibly been the two strongest areas of the team, it'd solve all of our woes?

 

sounds to me like he's simply using a sarcastic response to rejustify his stance on acquiring anybody

[Banedon]

If only Theo had signed frontline starter and a real 1B the Cubs would be contending and this whole thread could have been avoided

 

So, if we improved what has quite possibly been the two strongest areas of the team, it'd solve all of our woes?

 

sounds to me like he's simply using a sarcastic response to rejustify his stance on acquiring anybody

 

Ah, I see. This thread has had so much straightforward crazy....I wasn't prepared for the backdoor crazy.

[treebird]

I wasn't prepared for the backdoor crazy.

 

ahem

[neely crenshaw]

Part of the point is exactly what you state. In the first 21 games he sat once, in last 20 games he sat 6 times. That seems like a change and it strikes me as odd considering his stats over that period are way up

 

Whether you like him or not, Adrian Cardenas being 2 years younger than Barney and having better career minor league numbers than Barney is probably part of that as well. Management probably wants to take a look at Cardenas in the majors and see what he can do.

 

We don't have anybody currently on the bench who could be construed as a better option than DeJesus and Stewart at their positions, which is why they'll continue to play.

 

 

all true.

not a huge difference between 24 and 26, at least as opposed to 26 and 32.

I have questions as to why a team like oakland with so very little offense talent in their infield would release a former #1 pick who is 24. It raised red flags. It's worth a shot but I am not sure why Barney would be the target when others are certainly performing worse. But when you are grabbing stuff off of the scrap heap, you grab what's there.

[SouthSideRyan]

The Minnesota Twins non-tendered David Ortiz, teams do stupid things.

[neely crenshaw]

he is right there statistically with castro, yes castro

 

:oldbluekoolaid: Give me some of the Barney Kool-Aid!

 

freddy boy did you look before you leapt?

not saying barney is even in that class. not saying there is any chance the stats stay the same. But everyone wants to spew 40 games stats like the are gospel and the fact is the difference between the two is minuscule

castro:.316 .326 .421 .747

barney .273 .322 .396 .718 the difference is 3 bases in slugging percentage. 3 bases.

 

so is that close or am I off

[Tracer Bullet]

I wasn't prepared for the backdoor crazy.

 

ahem

 

We know you weren't either. Hence the cereal binge that followed.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

not saying barney is even in that class. not saying there is any chance the stats stay the same. But everyone wants to spew 40 games stats like the are gospel and the fact is the difference between the two is minuscule

castro:.316 .326 .421 .747

barney .273 .322 .396 .718 the difference is 3 bases in slugging percentage. 3 bases.

You're missing a whole lot of singles there.

[neely crenshaw]

Barney has the 3rd most plate appearances on the team. Only Castro has played in more games.

 

made up stat.

barney 39 games

castro 42

stewart 40

dejesus 40

Lahair 39

[neely crenshaw]

not saying barney is even in that class. not saying there is any chance the stats stay the same. But everyone wants to spew 40 games stats like the are gospel and the fact is the difference between the two is minuscule

castro:.316 .326 .421 .747

barney .273 .322 .396 .718 the difference is 3 bases in slugging percentage. 3 bases.

You're missing a whole lot of singles there.

 

bobby boy, batting average doesn't count. that has been what I have been told at every turn on this thread, and board.

OB% and obp matter, can't change that to fit your argument now

[Vanilla Ice]

OB% and obp matter, can't change that to fit your argument now

beautiful

[jersey cubs fan]

Barney has the 3rd most plate appearances on the team. Only Castro has played in more games.

 

made up stat.

barney 39 games

castro 42

stewart 40

dejesus 40

Lahair 39

 

Why are you just now responding to a post written yesterday afternoon, before Barney had a day off and DeJesus/Stewart/LaHair picked up a game played?

[Guest]

Barney has the 3rd most plate appearances on the team. Only Castro has played in more games.

 

made up stat.

barney 39 games

castro 42

stewart 40

dejesus 40

Lahair 39

 

Yes, that was posted yesterday, and last night LaHair, Stewart, and DeJesus played while Barney had the night off. Take a moment to think about what other people are saying. Barney is 4th on the team in PAs and plays as much or more as many of the guys you singled out as favorites.

[SouthSideRyan]

Barney has the 3rd most plate appearances on the team. Only Castro has played in more games.

 

made up stat.

barney 39 games

castro 42

stewart 40

dejesus 40

Lahair 39

 

Luckily you're not above making up stats. I hear Darwin Barney hasn't started in 28 of the last 6 games.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

not saying barney is even in that class. not saying there is any chance the stats stay the same. But everyone wants to spew 40 games stats like the are gospel and the fact is the difference between the two is minuscule

castro:.316 .326 .421 .747

barney .273 .322 .396 .718 the difference is 3 bases in slugging percentage. 3 bases.

You're missing a whole lot of singles there.

 

bobby boy, batting average doesn't count. that has been what I have been told at every turn on this thread, and board.

OB% and obp matter, can't change that to fit your argument now

You are the worst.

[Little Slide Rooter]

i don't buy this guy as a human

 

 

good God, he's a teacher.

 

[neely crenshaw]

The Minnesota Twins non-tendered David Ortiz, teams do stupid things.

 

That was a money thing.

Is it wrong to wonder why a bad offensive team would just give up on a 24 year old former 1st round pick? I don't know. Maybe it was options, maybe he had a bonus coming. Maybe he slept with someones wife. It just makes me wonder, which I think is pretty sensible. It doesn't mean I thinks it's dumb, It doesn't mean I think it's a sure failure, just gives me cause to question it- not the pick up but why they would cut him.

[SouthSideRyan]

Fine, Bobby Abreu was a Rule 5 pick.

[neely crenshaw]

not saying barney is even in that class. not saying there is any chance the stats stay the same. But everyone wants to spew 40 games stats like the are gospel and the fact is the difference between the two is minuscule

castro:.316 .326 .421 .747

barney .273 .322 .396 .718 the difference is 3 bases in slugging percentage. 3 bases.

You're missing a whole lot of singles there.

 

bobby boy, batting average doesn't count. that has been what I have been told at every turn on this thread, and board.

OB% and obp matter, can't change that to fit your argument now

You are the worst.

 

what are you stuck in the 1980's?

 

that's what I was told when talking about batting average...

in this case if you both get on base at a .325 clip, and the difference in slugging is so small, what is the difference in performance?

castro got singles where barney got walked...outcome? both on first.

so, 3 bases is the difference in their slugging, and the slugging is the difference in their OPS.

[UK1679666180]

The Minnesota Twins non-tendered David Ortiz, teams do stupid things.

 

That was a money thing.

Is it wrong to wonder why a bad offensive team would just give up on a 24 year old former 1st round pick? I don't know. Maybe it was options, maybe he had a bonus coming. Maybe he slept with someones wife. It just makes me wonder, which I think is pretty sensible. It doesn't mean I thinks it's dumb, It doesn't mean I think it's a sure failure, just gives me cause to question it- not the pick up but why they would cut him.

 

Nothing wrong to question it as I wonder why as well, but it also not wrong for the other side of the coin as far as why would the Cubs sign him given his numbers as well as what Baseball America seen/heard about in him in prior to the start of '11.

 

It's also not wrong to question whether or not he'd be more productive than Barney based on those factors.

[jersey cubs fan]

The Minnesota Twins non-tendered David Ortiz, teams do stupid things.

 

That was a money thing.

Is it wrong to wonder why a bad offensive team would just give up on a 24 year old former 1st round pick? I don't know. Maybe it was options, maybe he had a bonus coming. Maybe he slept with someones wife. It just makes me wonder, which I think is pretty sensible. It doesn't mean I thinks it's dumb, It doesn't mean I think it's a sure failure, just gives me cause to question it- not the pick up but why they would cut him.

 

I don't think there's anything wrong with wondering why the A's cut him. I also don't think there's anything wrong with letting him get a couple PA while he's on the team.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

not saying barney is even in that class. not saying there is any chance the stats stay the same. But everyone wants to spew 40 games stats like the are gospel and the fact is the difference between the two is minuscule

castro:.316 .326 .421 .747

barney .273 .322 .396 .718 the difference is 3 bases in slugging percentage. 3 bases.

You're missing a whole lot of singles there.

 

bobby boy, batting average doesn't count. that has been what I have been told at every turn on this thread, and board.

OB% and obp matter, can't change that to fit your argument now

You are the worst.

 

what are you stuck in the 1980's?

 

that's what I was told when talking about batting average...

in this case if you both get on base at a .325 clip, and the difference in slugging is so small, what is the difference in performance?

castro got singles where barney got walked...outcome? both on first.

so, 3 bases is the difference in their slugging, and the slugging is the difference in their OPS.

Nobody is talking about batting averages except you. Castro has 17 more total bases.

[UK1679666180]

Of course, if I was the Cubs (luckily for everyone I'm not) I'd hit the pitcher 8th, Barney 7th and Campana 9th, DeJesus 1, Castro 2nd, Lahair 3, Soriano 4th, and Stewart 5th.

 

It'll look much better once Jackson and Rizzo arrive.

[Little Slide Rooter]

The Minnesota Twins non-tendered David Ortiz, teams do stupid things.

 

That was a money thing.

Is it wrong to wonder why a bad offensive team would just give up on a 24 year old former 1st round pick? I don't know. Maybe it was options, maybe he had a bonus coming. Maybe he slept with someones wife. It just makes me wonder, which I think is pretty sensible. It doesn't mean I thinks it's dumb, It doesn't mean I think it's a sure failure, just gives me cause to question it- not the pick up but why they would cut him.

 

I don't think there's anything wrong with wondering why the A's cut him. I also don't think there's anything wrong with letting him get a couple PA while he's on the team.

 

Cardenas is 24 and has a career minor league line of .303/.368/.417. Barney is 26 with a career minor league line of .287/.335/.376. Cardenas was DFAs due to his defense and the A's need for his spot on the 40 man. He should be given as much PT as we can give him, especially in a lost season.