Dale Sveum to re arrange the deck chairs

[SouthSideRyan]

Barney's numbers in the minors averaged .335 ob% and trended up in his 2nd season in each league, AA .339 TO .368, AAA .304 to .333 to .400. It could be said he could/should trend upward.

 

Barney didn't have a 2nd season in AA. That .339 is his combined OBP in 2009.

 

And again you're using a hilariously small sample to attempt to show a "trend." Barney's improvement to .400 was over 15 PAs.

 

obp normalizes in 30ab which is twice 15pas and 30 is the numnber you need for a good smaple in statistics so 30pas will be fine here

the .420ob% was there4 at least half normal so why isn't barney leading off or at least champagnea

 

So we should expect Barney to put up an 800 OBP?

[SouthSideRyan]

are you making things up, guessing or simply can't read?

 

1)April 15- DNP- did not play

2)April 22 DNS-did not start

3)April 30 DNS

4)May 2 DNS

5)May 8 DNP

6)May 20 DNS

7)May 21 DNP

So that is 7 times this season, and 6 times in the last 20 games (not the original 19) April 30 to yesterday.

Part of the point is exactly what you state. In the first 21 games he sat once, in last 20 games he sat 6 times. That seems like a change and it strikes me as odd considering his stats over that period are way up, and yes better than stewart's huge hot streak that everyone wants to use as proof that he's actually good.

 

Um.

[CubColtPacer]

I don't think Barney should bat lead off. I do wonder why he was jettisoned to 8th when his stats don't actually deserve it.

 

Batting order doesn't really matter. The fact that he's playing just about every day kind of negates the notion that he's been "jettisoned" in any way shape or form.

 

this is good to know because all this years we have complained about our leadoff guy, and made fun of managers that wanted to put Soriano there, all along it really never mattered.

 

I know you are just jumping in halfway through, so please understand..I have not said anything about anyone being better.

I only wondered why it seems that Barney is getting moved out.

Instead of ridicule, a great answer may have been- They see Barney as an 8 hole hitter in the future on hopefully a much better team. OK, that would make sense.

My question was why is he sent to 8th, when other players are doing far worse than Barney has done.

I also wondered why he has been out of the lineup now 6 times over the last 19 games despite his stat line going up. To me it seems like they are working to replace him. I can certainly think of many other spots that seem to be much more glaring weakness comparatively.

 

He's been out of the lineup 5 times over the last 19 games. He's been out of the lineup 7 times all freaking year, and he's Darwin Barney.

are you making things up, guessing or simply can't read?

 

1)April 15- DNP- did not play

2)April 22 DNS-did not start

3)April 30 DNS

4)May 2 DNS

5)May 8 DNP

6)May 20 DNS

7)May 21 DNP

So that is 7 times this season, and 6 times in the last 20 games (not the original 19) April 30 to yesterday.

Part of the point is exactly what you state. In the first 21 games he sat once, in last 20 games he sat 6 times. That seems like a change and it strikes me as odd considering his stats over that period are way up, and yes better than stewart's huge hot streak that everyone wants to use as proof that he's actually good.

Yes, he's Darwin Barney, who happens to be out performing most of our other starters.

 

Remember also that Barney physically wore down with the grind of the season last year. He put on some weight to try to counteract that over the offseason, but it's almost certain that Cubs management is going to try to get him some rest as well.

[treebird]

Barney's numbers in the minors averaged .335 ob% and trended up in his 2nd season in each league, AA .339 TO .368, AAA .304 to .333 to .400. It could be said he could/should trend upward.

 

Barney didn't have a 2nd season in AA. That .339 is his combined OBP in 2009.

 

And again you're using a hilariously small sample to attempt to show a "trend." Barney's improvement to .400 was over 15 PAs.

 

obp normalizes in 30ab which is twice 15pas and 30 is the numnber you need for a good smaple in statistics so 30pas will be fine here

the .420ob% was there4 at least half normal so why isn't barney leading off or at least champagnea

 

So we should expect Barney to put up an 800 OBP?

 

no one can say for sure Ntil we c it happen, all wer can do is guesssd

but if #s trend up and up andup your betting wrong to bet aginst it! and only twenty6!

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Yes, he's Darwin Barney, who happens to be out performing most of our other starters.

First of all, he's about right in the middle. Secondly, that doesn't mean he's good and worthy of praise; this is a pretty terrible team offensively.

[Hendrys Ghost]

http://www.jamiedoyle.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/booing_small.jpg

[SouthSideRyan]

Oh good, the picture guy.

[neely crenshaw]

30 at bats? normalizes a stat. So 8-10 games(30 plate appearances) we have a good indicator of what everyone's stats will be.

good news for Lahair.

 

can I ask where you came up with that.

 

so if Batter a has an ob% of .360 for 25 at bats and got on base 5 straight times, it would be normal that his OB% jumped .106 points, and that would not give a skewed result?

[dew1679666265]

Part of the point is exactly what you state. In the first 21 games he sat once, in last 20 games he sat 6 times. That seems like a change and it strikes me as odd considering his stats over that period are way up

 

Whether you like him or not, Adrian Cardenas being 2 years younger than Barney and having better career minor league numbers than Barney is probably part of that as well. Management probably wants to take a look at Cardenas in the majors and see what he can do.

 

We don't have anybody currently on the bench who could be construed as a better option than DeJesus and Stewart at their positions, which is why they'll continue to play.

[Rob]

Always worth posting...

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/library/index.php/principles/sample-size/

[treebird]

if we have to play cardinass be sure to keep him awey from lefthandedbitchers, his ops is 5hundred pts downer aginst them in stead of rightos

also alwais be sure to use proper simple sizes when evaluating the guys they are NOT ROBUTS they are human beans

[SouthSideRyan]

are you making things up, guessing or simply can't read?

 

1)April 15- DNP- did not play

2)April 22 DNS-did not start

3)April 30 DNS

4)May 2 DNS

5)May 8 DNP

6)May 20 DNS

7)May 21 DNP

So that is 7 times this season, and 6 times in the last 20 games (not the original 19) April 30 to yesterday.

Part of the point is exactly what you state. In the first 21 games he sat once, in last 20 games he sat 6 times. That seems like a change and it strikes me as odd considering his stats over that period are way up, and yes better than stewart's huge hot streak that everyone wants to use as proof that he's actually good.

 

Um.

 

Come on, it was even numbered and everything.

[Fast Freddie Bynum]

Barney batse 8th because Soriano/Stewart/Hill(or Soto or Lalli or castillo think about it only Clevenger could get on base Barney was demoted when Clevenger got hurte) are auto outs. Barney will then lead off innings making him a pseudo lead off man. We get to test out Dejesus and Barney's lead-offe powers. Barney has the pitcher behinde him to bunt him over(unless dEwITT pinch hits) and DeJesus has Campana to bunt him over. So we are kind of testing out bothe players as lead offe hitters.

 

Hope that explains thins Neely. :)

[Fast Freddie Bynum]

I don't think Barney should bat lead off. I do wonder why he was jettisoned to 8th when his stats don't actually deserve it.

 

Batting order doesn't really matter. The fact that he's playing just about every day kind of negates the notion that he's been "jettisoned" in any way shape or form.

 

this is good to know because all this years we have complained about our leadoff guy, and made fun of managers that wanted to put Soriano there, all along it really never mattered.

 

I know you are just jumping in halfway through, so please understand..I have not said anything about anyone being better.

I only wondered why it seems that Barney is getting moved out.

Instead of ridicule, a great answer may have been- They see Barney as an 8 hole hitter in the future on hopefully a much better team. OK, that would make sense.

My question was why is he sent to 8th, when other players are doing far worse than Barney has done.

I also wondered why he has been out of the lineup now 6 times over the last 19 games despite his stat line going up. To me it seems like they are working to replace him. I can certainly think of many other spots that seem to be much more glaring weakness comparatively.

 

He's been out of the lineup 5 times over the last 19 games. He's been out of the lineup 7 times all freaking year, and he's Darwin Barney.

are you making things up, guessing or simply can't read?

 

1)April 15- DNP- did not play

2)April 22 DNS-did not start

3)April 30 DNS

4)May 2 DNS

5)May 8 DNP

6)May 20 DNS

7)May 21 DNP

So that is 7 times this season, and 6 times in the last 20 games (not the original 19) April 30 to yesterday.

Part of the point is exactly what you state. In the first 21 games he sat once, in last 20 games he sat 6 times. That seems like a change and it strikes me as odd considering his stats over that period are way up, and yes better than stewart's huge hot streak that everyone wants to use as proof that he's actually good.

Yes, he's Darwin Barney, who happens to be out performing most of our other starters.

 

Like Dejesus OBP % eventual drop off you had to expect Barney's games played to dropp off. Did you really think he could keep the pace up? It's his second year man, a decline is expected.

[neely crenshaw]

Yes, he's Darwin Barney, who happens to be out performing most of our other starters.

First of all, he's about right in the middle. Secondly, that doesn't mean he's good and worthy of praise; this is a pretty terrible team offensively.

 

for the season he is outperforming Stewart, Soto, Soriano easily.

he is right there statistically with castro, yes castro

he is very close to Dejesus

slightly better slugging and OPS than Campana, slightly worse average and ob%.

 

no one saying he's great and he plays on this team so it makes sense to compare where he fits on this team.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Yes, he's Darwin Barney, who happens to be out performing most of our other starters.

First of all, he's about right in the middle. Secondly, that doesn't mean he's good and worthy of praise; this is a pretty terrible team offensively.

 

for the season he is outperforming Stewart, Soto, Soriano easily.

he is right there statistically with castro, yes castro

he is very close to Dejesus

slightly better slugging and OPS than Campana, slightly worse average and ob%.

 

no one saying he's great and he plays on this team so it makes sense to compare where he fits on this team.

In other words, about right in the middle.

[Fast Freddie Bynum]

he is right there statistically with castro, yes castro

 

:oldbluekoolaid: Give me some of the Barney Kool-Aid!

[neely crenshaw]

just wonder why? it's not really that he has had days off, it's that 6 of 7 have come in the last 20 games, and that happens to be the time when he is hitting batter than anyone but Lahair. on this team clearly it doesn't matter who you sit out and who you play. Even Lahair can a effect a game so much by himself.

[Fast Freddie Bynum]

just wonder why? it's not really that he has had days off, it's that 6 of 7 have come in the last 20 games, and that happens to be the time when he is hitting batter than anyone but Lahair. on this team clearly it doesn't matter who you sit out and who you play. Even Lahair can a effect a game so much by himself.

 

Well I think if he's hitting Batters Dale has to go to the pen, but who do we have there Kerry? Marmol? Lendy? Not very good options.

[Tracer Bullet]

Barney's numbers in the minors averaged .335 ob% and trended up in his 2nd season in each league, AA .339 TO .368, AAA .304 to .333 to .400. It could be said he could/should trend upward.

 

Barney didn't have a 2nd season in AA. That .339 is his combined OBP in 2009.

 

And again you're using a hilariously small sample to attempt to show a "trend." Barney's improvement to .400 was over 15 PAs.

 

obp normalizes in 30ab which is twice 15pas and 30 is the numnber you need for a good smaple in statistics so 30pas will be fine here

the .420ob% was there4 at least half normal so why isn't barney leading off or at least champagnea

 

I bet that post was surprisingly difficult to actually write.

 

Which took longer: this or all the rockets on the Theo/Ricketts thread?

[Little Slide Rooter]

Oh good, the picture guy.

 

Makes you wonder how many IPs this guy has.

[SouthSideRyan]

just wonder why? it's not really that he has had days off, it's that 6 of 7 have come in the last 20 games.

 

OH MY GOD NO THEY HAVEN'T

[dew1679666265]

just wonder why?

 

You've had two possibilities listed - one by CCP and one by me.

 

Here's my reasoning:

 

Whether you like him or not, Adrian Cardenas being 2 years younger than Barney and having better career minor league numbers than Barney is probably part of that as well. Management probably wants to take a look at Cardenas in the majors and see what he can do.

 

We don't have anybody currently on the bench who could be construed as a better option than DeJesus and Stewart at their positions, which is why they'll continue to play.

[17 Seconds]

i don't buy this guy as a human

[davearm2]

If only Theo had signed frontline starter and a real 1B the Cubs would be contending and this whole thread could have been avoided