Dale Sveum to re arrange the deck chairs

[Little Slide Rooter]

@ESPNChicago: Chicago Cubs manager Dale Sveum plans to make lineup changes http://t.co/yvMXnLCH

 

I want to like Sveum, and have for the most part, but if he really thinks that the top 3 spots in the lineup have been the main problem, it could make it difficult.

[Cubswin11]

You can't polish a turd, Dale

[neely crenshaw]

My only qualm with the organization so far is that it sure seems that anyone who is one of the "organizations guys" get every chance to succeed while leftovers are looked to be moved out.

I doubt seriously that if Samardjiza had pitched like volstad he would have gotten as many starts as volstad did.

for whatever reason they seem hell-bent on moving barney out. They dropped him to 8th, they continue to send in retreads like cardenas to play, while their guys..like dejesus and stewart are in every single day. Barney's stats are identical to dejesus' except that he has a stolen base and dejesus has struck out 28 times (1 fewer than stewart and soriano) not very lead off like. dejesus has a few more walks so far BUT their obp was identical last year. their guys is the lead off hitter, despite being ill equipped to do the job. Barney bats 8th and they only guy that is any semblence of a lead off guy is campana, and he is stuck in at 2, where barney is more suited.

Edited May 21, 2012 by neely crenshaw

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Barney's stats are identical to dejesus' except that he has a stolen base and dejesus has struck out 28 times

Huh?

[El Duderino]

what the hell are you talking about? cardenas has started like one game at second.

[Guest]

Barney has the 3rd most plate appearances on the team. Only Castro has played in more games.

[SouthSideRyan]

Adrian Cardenas, 24 year old retread

[davell]

My guess is we go Campana/Castro/DeJesus for a short time.

[bcl412]

Adrian Cardenas, 24 year old retread

 

Barney is older than Cardenas. That was a strange comment that he made.

[neely crenshaw]

I'll type slowly so you can understand.

"LIKE" Cardenas not only Cardenas. Dewitte has started 3 times in the last 18 games, Cardenas twice at 2b (not once) and once in left.

Dejesus and Stewart have started 16 of those same 18 games and neither has been demoted to 8th like Barney has.

Barney and Dejesus have basically the same stats. EXCEPT DeJesus our leadoff guy is 0-4 in stolen bases and Barney is 1 for 1.

Barney is hitting .273, has 38 hits, 10 doubles,2 triples, 1 home run, 9 rbi.

DeJesus is hitting .276, has 40 hits, 10 doubles, 2 triples, 1 home run, 9 rbi

When Barney was demoted, he had scored 10 runs, DeJesus 13.

DeJesus has more walks, but as I said they were basically the same last season.

I did not try to say that barney should lead off. My only thought is why would they dump Barney, but continue to run Dejesus out there when they are both performing the same? and to me I don't know how much more the same you can get than those stats.

If we were going to change something when Campana came up, why not put him at lead off. He is a true lead off guy. He is hitting better, and has the same obp as Dejesus and there is NO comparison in the speed factor. DeJesus will not be here for the long term. Campana might. If he does it would be as a lead off guy, or 8 hole hitter before a 2 hole guy. It might not hurt to have Dejesus in after Lahair and castro, where a single might actually score someone.

[jersey cubs fan]

true lead off guy.

 

That is not a thing

[SouthSideRyan]

I'll start.

 

Blake DeWitt hasn't even been on the team for 2 weeks.

[jersey cubs fan]

I'll start.

 

Blake DeWitt hasn't even been on the team for 2 weeks.

 

why are we pushing out these guys to make room for organizational players?

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Dewitte has started 3 times in the last 18 games

I don't often do this, but LOL.

[bcl412]

I'll start.

 

Blake DeWitt hasn't even been on the team for 2 weeks.

 

That's just because the Cubs want to run off all the leftovers.

[MSG T]

Barney's stats are identical to dejesus' except that he has a stolen base and dejesus has struck out 28 times... dejesus has a few more walks so far BUT their obp was identical last year. their guys is the lead off hitter, despite being ill equipped to do the job. Barney bats 8th and they only guy that is any semblence of a lead off guy is campana, and he is stuck in at 2, where barney is more suited.

 

 

Why mention their OBP last year but ignore this season and the previous seasons?

 

DeJesus this year - .360 OBP (career .356)

Barney this year - .322 OBP (career .312)

Campana this year - .356 OBP (he's fallen way off after a hot first 30 PAs or so) (career .322)

 

DeJesus is better at getting on base, both this year and historically. Getting on base is the #1 objective for a lead off hitter, not getting steals, not a high BA but getting on base.

[neely crenshaw]

Adrian Cardenas, 24 year old retread

 

do you know anything about him? or just guessing?

He was the Phillies first round pick in 2006, and has been traded by the Phillies and released by the A's before the cubs claimed him.

This is the first trip to the majors for him. So I am saying that a 24 year old former 1st round pick, who as a top prospect at 1 time, is a retread, when a team so bad on offense like the A's can't use at AAA or the majors. I mean can see that a team that has an OPS 50 points lower than the cubs can't use a quality player. When you their 2b hitting a robust .233, and your 3b is hitting .133 or your LF is crushing it at .194..of course there's no reason to keep a former high pick in AAA, or heck on your roster because you have so many good options there. No reason at all to think the guy can't play.

 

But then again our roster is a bit of a AA/AAA look to it.

[MSG T]

Adrian Cardenas, 24 year old retread

 

do you know anything about him? or just guessing?

He was the Phillies first round pick in 2006, and has been traded by the Phillies and released by the A's before the cubs claimed him.

This is the first trip to the majors for him. So I am saying that a 24 year old former 1st round pick, who as a top prospect at 1 time, is a retread, when a team so bad on offense like the A's can't use at AAA or the majors. I mean can see that a team that has an OPS 50 points lower than the cubs can't use a quality player. When you their 2b hitting a robust .233, and your 3b is hitting .133 or your LF is crushing it at .194..of course there's no reason to keep a former high pick in AAA, or heck on your roster because you have so many good options there. No reason at all to think the guy can't play.

 

But then again our roster is a bit of a AA/AAA look to it.

 

Huh?

[Guest]

Managers have to manage. He has to know there is not much that can be done with this crew. I mostly like what he's doing and he seems to get the saber side of the game well enough (even though Sullivan called it cybermetrics).

 

Nothing to get worked up over. If he starts letting Garza and to a lessor extent Dempster throw 125+ pitches/game b/c they've "earned" it. He's going to have a problem with me.

Edited May 21, 2012 by CubinNY

[Guest]

. Edited May 21, 2012 by David

[Guest]

I'll type slowly so you can understand.

"LIKE" Cardenas not only Cardenas. Dewitte has started 3 times in the last 18 games, Cardenas twice at 2b (not once) and once in left.

Dejesus and Stewart have started 16 of those same 18 games and neither has been demoted to 8th like Barney has.

Barney and Dejesus have basically the same stats. EXCEPT DeJesus our leadoff guy is 0-4 in stolen bases and Barney is 1 for 1.

Barney is hitting .273, has 38 hits, 10 doubles,2 triples, 1 home run, 9 rbi.

DeJesus is hitting .276, has 40 hits, 10 doubles, 2 triples, 1 home run, 9 rbi

When Barney was demoted, he had scored 10 runs, DeJesus 13.

DeJesus has more walks, but as I said they were basically the same last season.

I did not try to say that barney should lead off. My only thought is why would they dump Barney, but continue to run Dejesus out there when they are both performing the same? and to me I don't know how much more the same you can get than those stats.

If we were going to change something when Campana came up, why not put him at lead off. He is a true lead off guy. He is hitting better, and has the same obp as Dejesus and there is NO comparison in the speed factor. DeJesus will not be here for the long term. Campana might. If he does it would be as a lead off guy, or 8 hole hitter before a 2 hole guy. It might not hurt to have Dejesus in after Lahair and castro, where a single might actually score someone.

 

I can't believe you people still exist.

[Guest]

Barney's stats are identical to dejesus' except that he has a stolen base and dejesus has struck out 28 times... dejesus has a few more walks so far BUT their obp was identical last year. their guys is the lead off hitter, despite being ill equipped to do the job. Barney bats 8th and they only guy that is any semblence of a lead off guy is campana, and he is stuck in at 2, where barney is more suited.

 

 

Why mention their OBP last year but ignore this season and the previous seasons?

 

DeJesus this year - .360 OBP (career .356)

Barney this year - .322 OBP (career .312)

Campana this year - .356 OBP (he's fallen way off after a hot first 30 PAs or so) (career .322)

 

DeJesus is better at getting on base, both this year and historically. Getting on base is the #1 objective for a lead off hitter, not getting steals, not a high BA but getting on base.

 

Not to mention the fact that DeJesus was signed as a bounceback candidate and the FO got great value on him. He's easily a better hitter than Barney.

[Little Slide Rooter]

My only qualm with the organization so far is that it sure seems that anyone who is one of the "organizations guys" get every chance to succeed while leftovers are looked to be moved out.

I doubt seriously that if Samardjiza had pitched like volstad he would have gotten as many starts as volstad did.

 

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[JoshiQ]

I don't know what is going on with this thread. I'm going to leave now. :hello:

[neely crenshaw]

Dejesus is easily a better hitter? really.

Barney hit better last year.

they are the same right now.

DeJesus is 32 and very possibly trending down. Barney is 26 and at least has a chance to continue to improve.

seriously your going to use "career" on base percentage to decide trends when comparing an 11 year vet and a 2nd year guy? how about last year dejesus had on obp of .323 and barney .313, or that in 131 games DeJesus was on base 151 times, and in 143 barney was on base 168 times. Hey but Dejesus had a .444 obp 10 years ago so he must be that same player now!

As for Dewitte. I guess if you aren't with the team, the games you started don't count?

 

again the overly intelligent poster miss the point. We aren't going anywhere. and the management is tweaking a few spots as needed but I realize it's more about seeing what everyone has. That being said, They brought in DeJesus, Stewart, Volstad, and others. They seem to have gotten every chance, and are still getting them. Why are we stuck on a 32 year old 270 hitter, who is not going to improve. We have Campana, who evidently is not a proto-typical lead-off man because there is no such thing, but is hitting over .300 and has the 360 obp, an a history of those stats coming up. He is also 26, and could continue to improve also. he runs like crazy, steals bases and despite your thoughts on a team that averages 3 runs a game, has no power on 2 other hitters hitting over .300 and is hitting .234 with RISP as a team. So every chance of getting to 2nd base counts.

 

Not saying anyone is better or even if it matters. But why not find out if campana could be that lead off guy. Why continue to try others at 2nd, and push down Barney rather than Stewart or DeJesus. Honestly, if Lahair was hitting .205 would he still be in the lineup? Again would samardjiza? it just seems like a trend that could be counter productive. All baseball people miss a lot of the time, In this year of evaluation, we have a pretty good idea what dejesus and stewart are going to be at even their best. If Barney and Campana are producing why not find out if they are for real? and getting a great deal on someone is fine but shouldn't be the reason we stick with them through thick and thin.