Cashner and Na traded for Rizzo and Cates

[davell]

I think of Rirrutto, from Billy Madison.

[Careless]

I hear Rizzo and I think of the not pregnant chick from Grease.

 

Wayyyyy too much musical theater in my extended family.

[davearm2]

Now doesn't Rizzo put LaHair in an interesting situation? It's one thing for a veteran player to know that the new kid will come for his job sooner than later, but with LaHair, despite his age how often is it that a rookie is given a full time starting opportunity with the full knowledge that his permanant replacement is a slump or injury away?

 

Please. stop. posting.

Seriously David? You want to associate yourself with the pathetic losers on here that think that schtick is funny?

[JeffH]

Dustin Hoffman in "Midnight Cowboy".

[TruffleShuffle]

Now doesn't Rizzo put LaHair in an interesting situation? It's one thing for a veteran player to know that the new kid will come for his job sooner than later, but with LaHair, despite his age how often is it that a rookie is given a full time starting opportunity with the full knowledge that his permanant replacement is a slump or injury away?

 

Please. stop. posting.

Seriously David? You want to associate yourself with the pathetic losers on here that think that schtick is funny?

 

i doubt it was trying to be funny so much as a serious request.

 

speaking of which, please stop posting.

[davearm2]

LOL, thanks for driving the point home much more effectively than I ever could have.

[Sammy Sofa]

Okay, "unnerving" was a poor choice of wording, as I do think the guy will be fine. Sometimes it's just hard to ignore when numbers drastically improve with a move to the PCL, in this case with his OPS jumping almost 250 points from the year before. I too hope that most of it is a product of his development and I do suspect this. I also realize that putting up those numbers at age 21 is quite an accomplishment and that's why he's a highly-touted prospect. He'll make it in the bigs and be our everyday 1B, that's not what I'm bringing into question. I just hope he becomes the star that we all, including myself, think he will become.

 

I'm not sure why this was all seen as such a heretical statement to some, as I've seen many "regulars" on here say the exact same thing about the PCL.

Keep in mind that he also suffered from non-Hodgkins Lymphoma in 2008. Part of the increase in stats is moving to the PCL. Part of it is maturing as a player. Part of it is also getting further away from his disease.

 

but that's the good hodgkins, right?

 

I wasn't aware that there were good forms of cancer.

 

This dude will dish out the hackiest jokes this side of the Borscht Belt but has no [expletive] clue about the good/bad Hodgkins thing.

[Mark Priors Calves]

Rizzo from Sleepers. He kicked the guards' asses and then they killed him.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Rizzo from Sleepers. He kicked the guards' asses and then they killed him.

 

Yeah, but his kingpin brother avenged his death. Awesome and under rated movie.

[haubrich91]

Love the trade for us. Back in June before the draft, we had absolutely no future at 1B...now we have Rizzo and Vogelbach. Cashner was a favorite of mine; it was so unfortunate he only started just one game for us. Wish him the best in SD.

 

Now this is totally out of left field...but with Boras publicly saying he'd like to get Prince a shorter deal so they can cash in in a few years, would it be realistic for us to throw him a two year deal? We could then trade him in the winter or July 2013 and get some prospects. It doesn't seem logical because if a team wants him, they could go out and sign him now, but I was wondering if anyone else thought this too.

[davearm2]

Did I miss Boras publicly saying he'd like to get Prince a shorter deal?

[haubrich91]

Did I miss Boras publicly saying he'd like to get Prince a shorter deal?

 

It was brought up by Peter Gammons. I now feel dumb for bringing it up. :banghead:

[Little Slide Rooter]

Okay, "unnerving" was a poor choice of wording, as I do think the guy will be fine. Sometimes it's just hard to ignore when numbers drastically improve with a move to the PCL, in this case with his OPS jumping almost 250 points from the year before. I too hope that most of it is a product of his development and I do suspect this. I also realize that putting up those numbers at age 21 is quite an accomplishment and that's why he's a highly-touted prospect. He'll make it in the bigs and be our everyday 1B, that's not what I'm bringing into question. I just hope he becomes the star that we all, including myself, think he will become.

 

I'm not sure why this was all seen as such a heretical statement to some, as I've seen many "regulars" on here say the exact same thing about the PCL.

Keep in mind that he also suffered from non-Hodgkins Lymphoma in 2008. Part of the increase in stats is moving to the PCL. Part of it is maturing as a player. Part of it is also getting further away from his disease.

 

but that's the good hodgkins, right?

 

I wasn't aware that there were good forms of cancer.

 

This dude will dish out the hackiest jokes this side of the Borscht Belt but has no [expletive] clue about the good/bad Hodgkins thing.

 

I know that cancer is cancer and there is no good cancer. I know that Hodgkins, or good lymphoma, as I'll admit I've never heard it called is far more common and and the treatments have a higher succes rate.

[Guest]

 

I know that cancer is cancer and there is no good cancer. I know that Hodgkins, or good lymphoma, as I'll admit I've never heard it called is far more common and and the treatments have a higher succes rate.

 

[Little Slide Rooter]

 

I know that cancer is cancer and there is no good cancer. I know that Hodgkins, or good lymphoma, as I'll admit I've never heard it called is far more common and and the treatments have a higher succes rate.

 

 

Oh, a Curb Your Enthusiasm reference. My bad. As a Seinfeld fan I tried to get into it but just couldn't because it always felt like it was just Larry David trying to continue Seinfeld starring himself.

[Andy]

I'm not sure what the collective board opinion is of the movie Miracle but I'm surprised no one else mentioned Mike Eruzione as the first thing to come to mind hearing Rizzo.

[Shilzzz]

there are now three cool things i've done on this website.

 

i started the original mark derosa being signed thread.

i started the music thread.

and this.

 

i've thought about this over the past two days far more than should be the case...

[Guest]

BA on Cates:

 

Undrafted out of high school and after his first year at Northeast Texas CC, Cates moved to the mound full-time in 2010, just in time to pull down $765,000 from the Padres as a third-rounder that summer. Cates worked primarily as a catcher up through 2009 and still is learning the finer points of his new craft. He tends to pitch away from contact now and distrusts his changeup, while his delivery tends to be too mechanical and his release point too inconsistent. Cates pitches with an arm wrap in the back of his motion, but most of the time his athleticism allows him to get in position to throw his secondary stuff. Cates pitches at 91-93 mph with sinking and tailing life when he gets extension, but he leaves his fastball up and over the plate a bit too often. He tops out near 96 and does it easy, affording him a bit of natural deception. He shows some feel for a split-changeup, and scouts believe it can be average with more work. The Padres swapped out Cates' curveball in favor of a slider in late August because he struggled to command his curve with his long arm stroke. He showed occasional ability to spin a curve, so his slider could develop into a weapon. Cates' power repertoire and inconsistent mechanics suggest a future in the bullpen, and he's ready for high Class A.

 

And Rizzo:

 

Rizzo led all Triple-A batters with a 1.159 OPS through June 5 last year, when San Diego called him up at age 21 because it had seen enough of Jorge Cantu and Brad Hawpe at first base. He went 3-for-7 with a double, triple, homer and four walks in his first three big league games, but he soon fell on hard times and went back to Tucson on July 21 having gone 11-for-91 (.121) in the big leagues. He went on to rank second in the Pacific Coast League in slugging (.652) and fifth in hitting (.331) before returning to the Padres and starting eight games in September. Rizo must make adjustments after big league pitchers were able to exploit the length and uppercut in his swing with quality fastballs up in the zone. He needs to stay on top of the ball and level out his stroke to make more contact and hit more line drives. Rizzo started to pull inside pitches for power in Double-A in 2010, and last year he hit 23 of his 27 homers to right or right-center field. Strikeouts always will be a byproduct of Rizzo's plus power, though he led all big league rookies with at least 100 plate appearances with a 14 percent walk rate. Like many lefty power hitters, Rizzo struggles versus southpaws—he hit .245/.312/.409 against them in Double-A and Triple-A—but his strike-zone awareness should enable him to hit for a decent average.

 

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/majors/trade-central/2012/2612791.html

[toonsterwu]

That report on Cates is about as weak as I've seen anywhere. If that's the report on Cates, 91-93 with some late action, potential average split-change, and a new slider, then I don't see the case for him as a top 15 prospect in our system (this really should go in the minor league forum probably). Other places were saying plus change, which would be a big difference. An intriguing arm, but that write-up is a lot less intriguing, for lack of a better way to phrase it right now. Still like Beeler a bit more than him.

[imb]

 

I know that cancer is cancer and there is no good cancer. I know that Hodgkins, or good lymphoma, as I'll admit I've never heard it called is far more common and and the treatments have a higher succes rate.

 

 

Oh, a Curb Your Enthusiasm reference. My bad. As a Seinfeld fan I tried to get into it but just couldn't because it always felt like it was just Larry David trying to continue Seinfeld starring himself.

 

now you've gone too far

[Outshined_One]

That report on Cates is about as weak as I've seen anywhere. If that's the report on Cates, 91-93 with some late action, potential average split-change, and a new slider, then I don't see the case for him as a top 15 prospect in our system (this really should go in the minor league forum probably). Other places were saying plus change, which would be a big difference. An intriguing arm, but that write-up is a lot less intriguing, for lack of a better way to phrase it right now. Still like Beeler a bit more than him.

 

In fairness, Cates is pretty new to pitching full-time. Most of the intrigue for me with Cates is that there still might be a good bit of upside in terms of honing his secondary pitches and in terms of cutting down his walks.

[toonsterwu]

Sure, I understand that. Former catcher IIRC. I guess I'm still thinking about Sickels placement of him, with respect to arms that he dropped off the ladder. But that's for another forum.

 

Edit: As I typed that, you know ... Blake Parker crossed my mind.

[treebird]

 

I know that cancer is cancer and there is no good cancer. I know that Hodgkins, or good lymphoma, as I'll admit I've never heard it called is far more common and and the treatments have a higher succes rate.

 

 

Oh, a Curb Your Enthusiasm reference. My bad. As a Seinfeld fan I tried to get into it but just couldn't because it always felt like it was just Larry David trying to continue Seinfeld starring himself.

 

jesus [expletive] christ

 

also

 

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=nearest+clinic+performing+sterilization

[Little Slide Rooter]

Now doesn't Rizzo put LaHair in an interesting situation? It's one thing for a veteran player to know that the new kid will come for his job sooner than later, but with LaHair, despite his age how often is it that a rookie is given a full time starting opportunity with the full knowledge that his permanant replacement is a slump or injury away?

 

Please. stop. posting.

Seriously David? You want to associate yourself with the pathetic losers on here that think that schtick is funny?

 

i doubt it was trying to be funny so much as a serious request.

 

speaking of which, please stop posting.

 

Well that's just it though. While there are many posters who might not care for each other or one another's opinions, spelling, persona, point of view, or whatever, more posters than not are respectful enough to get over that. If they really have a problem with someone, there's that for button in their control panel. On the other hand, there is a smaller group that prefer to attack others and cononsider themselves to be "everyone". None of their user names are in green, though they do seem to think they have the authority to make other posters come and go as they please. I'm sure they're all swell guys in real life, but who can be sure. They often seem to pack together to pile on others in hopes of chasing them off, and it might work on new posters, but when in comes to long timers they don't desire, if it hasn't worked yet, I don't think it's going to. I doubt that's going to stop them from trying because again, if it was it would have by now.

[Sammy Sofa]

Well, ramblers; let's get ramblin'.